Teacher Arrested For "Child Abuse" For Forcing Student To Stand For Pledge Of Allegiance

originally posted by: neo96

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

God forbid people actually know this country is a Republic, and that we are one nation, and liberty and justice is for ALL.

How dare people say that!

If you think forcing kids to recite that bullsnip every day is going to make any of it come true, then perhaps it's time to force the President and every member of congress to recite their oath of office every morning as well.

It's funny how you scream "FREEDOM!!!" out of one side of your face, while screaming "Stand up and recite the Pledge you f#@$ing brat!!!" out of the other.

originally posted by: Butterfinger
a reply to: Ursushorribilis

I keep a rock in my pocket all through school.

The rock protects me from Mass Shootings.

Ive never been in the same state as one at the time.

Thank you unassuming rock

I’ll pay you for that rock.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver

I was spanked and I only grew up in the 90s.the kids today wanna be you tube stara and eat tide pods while shooting up a school so I'm a little conflicted about the new modern approach to coddling.

All kids want to be YouTube Stars and eat tide pods?. I think I can see the Intellectual level you are working at. I’m assuming you were spanked directly on your Medula Oblongata.

Ouch insult train on ATS. let the hate flow. Haven't been called stupid on the internet in a while, made my day

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver

I was spanked and I only grew up in the 90s.the kids today wanna be you tube stara and eat tide pods while shooting up a school so I'm a little conflicted about the new modern approach to coddling.

All kids want to be YouTube Stars and eat tide pods?. I think I can see the Intellectual level you are working at. I’m assuming you were spanked directly on your Medula Oblongata.

Ouch insult train on ATS. let the hate flow. Haven't been called stupid on the internet in a while, made my day

Who called you stupid?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver

I was spanked and I only grew up in the 90s.the kids today wanna be you tube stara and eat tide pods while shooting up a school so I'm a little conflicted about the new modern approach to coddling.

All kids want to be YouTube Stars and eat tide pods?. I think I can see the Intellectual level you are working at. I’m assuming you were spanked directly on your Medula Oblongata.

Ouch insult train on ATS. let the hate flow. Haven't been called stupid on the internet in a while, made my day

Who called you stupid?

You did. And now you're playing stupid... unless there's some other reason you assume he/she was spanked directly on their Medulla Oblongata.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Wow, back in my day forcefully lifted out of your seat, escorted out in the hallway and paddled was a common occurrence for students misbehaving! If that wasn't bad enough, if our parents got word of our bad behavior we got it worse when we got home! Parents are coddling their kids too much and are attacking teachers instead of reprimanding their kids for their poor and disruptive behavior. Now little Joey knows his mommy and daddy will come to his defense, even when his parents know he was in the wrong. This student's embarrassment among their peers and being pulled up by their arm or jacket is enough to make them realize there's a red line they shouldn't be crossing.

The feelings of these kids today are shattered by the slightest amount of discipline. Thanks to school officials and government legislatures for removing corporal punishment from schools and removing parental disciplinary rights, these kids don't have any concept or fear about their actions having a consequence. It may not be a direct reason for school shootings or young people committing crimes, but when young people don't have any fear of consequences for their actions, it creates a feeling of being untouchable and doesn't cause them to think before they act.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I remember back in Elementary school in the 70's.

The principal had a paddle in her office.

If you were bad. You got the paddle.

My father in law said that the Nuns would give you the ruler across the back of the hand.

How things have changed.

I can vouch for this. I went to Catholic grade school in late 60s/early 70s and the nuns would smack my left hand across the knuckles because I wrote with my left hand and not the right. Ed Rendell is right, we’ve become a nation of wusses.

Are you in favor to going back to spanking children for silly reasons like writing with their left hands? Because it kind of sounds like you are promoting that.

No, I’m not promoting to that extreme but now kids need a safe space if a teacher so much as raises their voice.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: shawmanfromny

I remember back in Elementary school in the 70's.

The principal had a paddle in her office.

If you were bad. You got the paddle.

My father in law said that the Nuns would give you the ruler across the back of the hand.

How things have changed.

I can vouch for this. I went to Catholic grade school in late 60s/early 70s and the nuns would smack my left hand across the knuckles because I wrote with my left hand and not the right. Ed Rendell is right, we’ve become a nation of wusses.

Are you in favor to going back to spanking children for silly reasons like writing with their left hands? Because it kind of sounds like you are promoting that.

No, I’m not promoting to that extreme but now kids need a safe space if a teacher so much as raises their voice.

But that’s not what this conversation is about is it? This is a teacher who put her hands on a kid and try to force him to do something that is completely against the rules and beyond her authority. Isn’t that what happened here?

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Woodcarver

I was spanked and I only grew up in the 90s.the kids today wanna be you tube stara and eat tide pods while shooting up a school so I'm a little conflicted about the new modern approach to coddling.

All kids want to be YouTube Stars and eat tide pods?. I think I can see the Intellectual level you are working at. I’m assuming you were spanked directly on your Medula Oblongata.

Ouch insult train on ATS. let the hate flow. Haven't been called stupid on the internet in a while, made my day

Who called you stupid?

You did. And now you're playing stupid... unless there's some other reason you assume he/she was spanked directly on their Medulla Oblongata.

Kids get brain damage from abuse all the time. It just seems that he has grown accept that abuse to the point that he thinks it is normal and others deserve the same treatment. Which is sad.

Funny how not wanting your kid to be handled by a teacher means you are a wuss or they are a wuss.

I think a lot of you are #ing clueless.

Back in my day blah blah teachers paddled us.

How far back should we go as far as how things used to be?

30 years?
100?
1000?

Hey let's go back to when girls learned to sew and boys learned to kill #. Those were good times.

Bunch of weirdos man

ya know, it funny, the pledge that is often quoted on these boards, ya know, the one with the god reference, isn't the one I learned in school.
seems to me that you don't have a valid argument to force kids to say the pledge with a god reference in it... it would go against their freedom of religion. I mean, maybe they don't believe in a single male diety, maybe it should be under gods, or under the goddess....
my school years were in the 60s and 70s by the way, public school. ya corporal punishment was allowed in the private schools, but it wasn't in any school I attended and quite frankly, my mom would have hit the roof if they had hit me... not to say she wouldn't herself if she felt I deserve it... but it just wasn't the school's place.

kids learn from the adults in their lives.... you want respectful kids, then start respecting each other a little more. teach by example!!!

The schools own rules clearly state that the student cannot be forced or compelled to stand up and recite this Pledge of Allegiance. Or be forced or compelled to leave the room.The teacher broke that rule and laid her hands on a student which is not only against this schools rules, but it is against the law.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
Funny how not wanting your kid to be handled by a teacher means you are a wuss or they are a wuss.

I think a lot of you are #ing clueless.

Back in my day blah blah teachers paddled us.

How far back should we go as far as how things used to be?

30 years?
100?
1000?

Hey let's go back to when girls learned to sew and boys learned to kill #. Those were good times.

Bunch of weirdos man

And your solution is to take it to the other extreme with absolutely no discipline or personal responsibility? What a weirdo, man.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: TinySickTears
Funny how not wanting your kid to be handled by a teacher means you are a wuss or they are a wuss.

I think a lot of you are #ing clueless.

Back in my day blah blah teachers paddled us.

How far back should we go as far as how things used to be?

30 years?
100?
1000?

Hey let's go back to when girls learned to sew and boys learned to kill #. Those were good times.

Bunch of weirdos man

And your solution is to take it to the other extreme with absolutely no discipline or personal responsibility? What a weirdo, man.

Discipline for the kid? What rule did he break?

a reply to: UnBreakable

Quit making # up.
I never said no discipline or personal responsibility.

And as stated no rule was broken and even if there was it does not make it just for the teacher to act how they did.

Reality is some teacher over stepped their bounds for whatever reason over some perceived infraction.
And some of you are soaking it up. You read a paragraph of an article and have decided the kid is a wuss brat and the teacher is a hero.
You know nothing else of the kid or teacher and have made your minds up.
Sounds about right these days.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: TinySickTears
Funny how not wanting your kid to be handled by a teacher means you are a wuss or they are a wuss.

I think a lot of you are #ing clueless.

Back in my day blah blah teachers paddled us.

How far back should we go as far as how things used to be?

30 years?
100?
1000?

Hey let's go back to when girls learned to sew and boys learned to kill #. Those were good times.

Bunch of weirdos man

And your solution is to take it to the other extreme with absolutely no discipline or personal responsibility? What a weirdo, man.

Discipline for the kid? What rule did he break?

You're pissing in the wind. No one here wants to acknowledge the fact that the teacher is the one who broke the rules.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
Flag worship isn't patriotism and physically accosting someone isn't discipline.

Now, she get's to find out first hand why she isn't entitled to mandate the former, or engage in the latter.

This thread should have stopped here really. Everything else is semantics. She defaced the pledge by forcing it onto someone.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Not gonna be popular but I couldn't disagree more.
Discipline does start at home and that's where it should stop when it comes to laying hands on.

Don't agree with child abuse charges cause that's a stretch but my daughter's teacher need not pull her up by her coat or anything like that.

I can agree with that philosophy, and even at home, there is a limit to what should be enabled.
But this idea that you must conform, seems to me to be fairly unique to American, and dare I say, extreme inerpretations of Christian views in America...I was brought up as a Christian, but I was also brought up to value what is wrong and what is right...ultimately, that end value is your very own.

originally posted by: neo96

"Students who choose not to participate should not be disciplined nor should they be forced to stand, leave the room, or be ostracized in any way.

If you wonder why there are mass shootings.

There's your answer.

Patriotism is a form of control. From over the water making people stand for the national anthem is something one would expect from North Korea. Why should you have to stand to the flag?

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Thats going too far. This teacher definitely crossed a line.

It wasnt child abuse IMO, but still is a form of harassment or something along those lines.

On a lighter note this physical education teacher could be character on South Park.