Mueller Postpones Flynn sentencing????

a reply to: SpartanStoic


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a reply to: Vasa Croe

Notice that the document is a "Joint Status Report" and was signed by both Brandon Van Grack and Robert Kelner, Flynn's attorney.

Seems to me that it doesn't indicate much except that Flynn is continuing to cooperate and his cooperation is of use to the Mueller investigation. I'm sure the Mueller team's sentencing recommendations to the judge will reflect the level of cooperation.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

He's not done squeezing him yet.
Really though Mueller has lots more on Flynn . He's waiting to finish his investigation and sentencing because he can add on quite a bit more if Flynn doesn't cooperate.

originally posted by: eisegesis
Your source alludes to the false FD-302.

...against surfacing IG Horowitz evidence that FBI investigators manipulated (lied on) their FD-302 interrogation documents; and understanding those falsified 302’s were used in the Mueller/Flynn charging document.

Pretty straightforward.

Under Penal Code 132 PC, both the act of offering false evidence and that of preparing false evidence make up the crime. It is characterized by a criminal intent to knowingly present the evidence and also to prepare false evidence to be used in a legal proceeding.

The best part?

Each is classified as a felony and they carry serious consequences. Despite the classification as a felony, it is important to note that the level of the legal proceedings or its seriousness is relevant to the classification of the charge. The effect of presenting or preparing false evidence is damaging to the court system, which accounts for the seriousness of the offense.

This is what I was thinking.

I am tickled to see someone else mentioning the FBI's 302 forms, too!

Strzok was one of the two FBI agents who interviewed Flynn and made notes on the 302s.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Filed today...Mueller postponed sentencing for Flynn....

Odd timing methinks!

source

Link to pdf

Download and look at top of pdf...Filed Jan 31...wonder what happened that has Mueller postponing the sentencing?

It means Mueller is not done yet, even if the defendant has plead guilty.

Mueller doesn't need to be done....sentencing is up to a judge. Mueller got the guilty plea....

This suggests something else has come up that potentially changes the charges against Flynn...and my guess is it has something to do with the memo.

Good! Let Mueller try to manipulate sentencing.

Remember Comey and his "no prosecutor would?"...

WTF is wrong with these people?!

Now where did I put that firing squad? Dammit!

originally posted by: SpartanStoic
I said in another thread that I wonder if any evidence Mueller is using cannot be used in court due to the fake dossier being used for the FISA warrants. I think any lawyer worth their weight in anything would attack the evidence based on the now confirmed fake dossier.

What he pleaded guilty to was lying to the FBI and the evidence for that are his statements to the FBI and the intercepts of Kislyak's communications which have nothing to do with a FISA warrant for Carter Page. So it's all kinda moot from the jump as they're not actually related.

The use of intel from Steele, no matter how you feel about the "fake dossier" isn't enough to toss out the FISA warrant on its own. This idea that if intel from Steele (there was no "dossier" at the time, that wasn't compiled until months later) was in anyway referenced in the FISA warrant application, that it means the FISA warrant should be thrown out is wishful thinking.

What could be a problem is if the information was misrepresented to the FISC judge.

The other thing that you're ignoring is that Flynn got a good deal and I think you may want to read the statement of offense. Pay attention to item #5. There are other crimes for which Flynn could have been charged. I don't think he's eager to jump out of the pan and into the fire.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Word is out there McCabe instructed agents to alter the 302's.

If the IG has found evidence of that, which is likely as Wray indicated
McCabe 's terminal leave is related to the IG report, this pretty
much will end most of the Mueller investigation.

Further, there is probably alot of dirt we have not heard about yet.

a reply to: carewemust

He probably already talked to the cook and the butler and those marines in attendance at that dinner where Comey said the president asked for loyalty.

Which is in the news again because it seems he asked Rosenstein if he was on his team.
So Comey he asked for loyalty. He asked McCabe who he voted for and he asks Rosenstein if he's on his team.

Everything is political with this guy.
I bet he asked the plumber who he voted for before he let him unclog his toilet. No dem is messing in my #. Lol.

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Word is out there McCabe instructed agents to alter the 302's.

If the IG has found evidence of that, which is likely as Wray indicated
McCabe 's terminal leave is related to the IG report, this pretty
much will end most of the Mueller investigation.

Further, there is probably alot of dirt we have not heard about yet.

The FBI's policy of NOT electronically recording interviews and instead handwriting notes and transferring them to FORM 302 has got to stop.

It is nothing but an avenue through which the FBI can act arbitrarily...corruptly.

There's no excuse for not electronically recording FBI interviews, in this day and age. I think nearly everyone expects them to and most people are very surprised to learn the FBI has a policy against it.

a reply to: theantediluvian

There are other crimes for which Flynn could have been charged. I don't think he's eager to jump out of the pan and into the fire.

And perhaps take his son with him.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Exactly.
Today however all roads lead to the memo so anything in the news including the train crash will be due to or a cover up of information contained in the memo. Even this.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

There's no excuse for not electronically recording FBI interviews, in this day and age. I think nearly everyone expects them to and most people are very surprised to learn the FBI has a policy against it.

It is shocking they are still so backwards. There must be a good (bad) reason for this.

I would hope as the DOJ is investigating McCabe, they look into these allegations.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

I have to admit it is a very interesting twist. However postponing his sentencing doesn’t help him in any way. What is Flynn going to do, go undercover or squill even more then before?
He already has his plea.

Flynn has said himself that he is co-operating with Mueller, and there is a lot going with that scenario that is not known.
For instance, Flynn has said his contact conversations were made at the direction of a senior, unnamed transition team member, and that consultation with other members of what to say to Kislyak took place, but the true extent of Flynn’s testimony in the Russia matter is unknown and could have further ramifications for those in the White House.
There were also TV reports that Trump White house officials said it was Obama who had ordered Flynn to make the contact, I don't know if those, 'source' reports are true, but would be a serious enough offence for anyone in Trump White House' to come out with something like that on it's own if there was no proof....and in any case a disclaimer of something that they should not have any knowledge of. What is true is that Obama Fired Flynn from the DIA, and also warned Trump not to take him on.
As it stands now, Flynn agreed to be interviewed at any time by Mueller/government agents....so who knows, there may be conditions attached to Flynn actually talking..staying free until Mueller's enquiry is over, or staying free altogether, might be a couple such conditions.

The other side of that is the idea of Flynn being a foreign spy, he did take Money from Russian state or state sponsored TV, he did 'lobby' for Turkish interests, of which the DIA didn't know about...so they say, and they are a bunch of God knows what.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

There was only one FISA warrant and it was for Carter Page who had already been under investigation for dealings with Russian spies since 2014.

Oh also...The dossier is not fake. Never was.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The tree is hearty and bearing abundant fruit.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: SpartanStoic

There was only one FISA warrant and it was for Carter Page who had already been under investigation for dealings with Russian spies since 2014.

Oh also...The dossier is not fake. Never was.

Care to source where there was only one FISA warrant? Care to source where the dossier was verified?

Well, interestingly enough Schiffy got in a tiff tonight with Nunes.

He is now out there pouting this evening about how The Memo if released will
end Muellers investigation!

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: carewemust

He probably already talked to the cook and the butler and those marines in attendance at that dinner where Comey said the president asked for loyalty.

Which is in the news again because it seems he asked Rosenstein if he was on his team.
So Comey he asked for loyalty. He asked McCabe who he voted for and he asks Rosenstein if he's on his team.

Everything is political with this guy.
I bet he asked the plumber who he voted for before he let him unclog his toilet. No dem is messing in my #. Lol.

Well that should be easy to prove.

Otherwise it's the same ol he said, she said.

Rosenstein is next to go.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: theantediluvian

There are other crimes for which Flynn could have been charged. I don't think he's eager to jump out of the pan and into the fire.

And perhaps take his son with him.

I know a man who confessed to selling pot because the police threatened to charge his 18 year old daughter if he didn't. His lawyer later got that confession tossed out.

You could probably get me to confess to some crimes I didn't commit if it meant leniency for my child.

I don't have confidence in any plea or confession coerced via threat to (or promise of leniency for) someone's child. That's not the way prosecutors should operate if they want to inspire confidence in the justice system.

Just my .02¢.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

There's no excuse for not electronically recording FBI interviews, in this day and age. I think nearly everyone expects them to and most people are very surprised to learn the FBI has a policy against it.

It is shocking they are still so backwards. There must be a good (bad) reason for this.

I would hope as the DOJ is investigating McCabe, they look into these allegations.

They claim it interferes with their interview methods and building a rapport with the interviewee.

It's a bad reason. One that I don't buy, at all.