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Originally posted by Seapeople
Buddy, steve....avoiding something. You try to change the subject every time. Just for kicks SNTX. Answer it again, without qualifications.
It is a yes or no question. Is it a fact, that dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible?
Originally posted by Seapeople
Is uit a fact that the bible describes dinosaurs?
Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
The bible is not the word of God. It was written by men. It is the word of men. Even if you believe it is the word of God, its original authors would have written it the way they interpreted it, therefore there is a considerably large possibility that they made mistakes, exaggerated, or even lied, to suit the message they - mere mortals - wanted to put forward.
To state that biblical authority is undermined by people who interpret it differently is a contradiction. It was originally an interpretation. The bible is not an authority on anything, it is a collection of opinions.
Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
Yes?
Prove it. Prove with evidence besides bible verses, that the assertions made by those who believe the bible mentions dinosaurs, are true.
Give us evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed, even though they have been proved to have lived millions of years apart.
I am questioning the truth of the bible.
I will not accept verses from that same book as an answer.
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And do you agree or disagree with these statements which I was referring to in my previous posts...
Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
The bible is not the word of God. It was written by men. It is the word of men. Even if you believe it is the word of God, its original authors would have written it the way they interpreted it, therefore there is a considerably large possibility that they made mistakes, exaggerated, or even lied, to suit the message they - mere mortals - wanted to put forward.
To state that biblical authority is undermined by people who interpret it differently is a contradiction. It was originally an interpretation. The bible is not an authority on anything, it is a collection of opinions.
Originally posted by greenmansmind
you humans are so abstract ..all so silly
can anyone just be real..
ya all seem so messed up...
all mixed up...
if only you knew the real truth..
you would crack up laughing your ass off
Originally posted by sntxSince what you assert has been proven to you, you must have a low threshold of proof in order to take something as being true. Or it could be that what you hold as fact is based on faith.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Dbrant. Question for you. If you answer this honestly, then you are not like the rest. For some strange reason, I don't think you are like the rest. It must have been an impression you gave me somewhere else.
Is it a fact that it was dinosaurs mentioned in the bible, or is it just speculation? Answer this regardless of your beliefs as to whether or not it was dinosaurs. Is it a fact?
Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
Based on faith? I have no "faith" in anything. I believe what I have come to believe with good reason.
I believe that dinosaurs and humans never co-existed. To believe otherwise is to ignore overwhelming evidence:
Carbon dating: Radioactive Carbon (Carbon-14) is present in all living things, fossilised or otherwise. It's rate of decline in radioactivity (calculated using its half-life - that's the time taken for its radioactivity to reduce by half) is known as an indisputable fact. By measuring the radioactivity of dinosaur fossils containing carbon-14, archaeologists have worked out that dinosaurs lived no more recently than 65 million years ago. This is an indisputable fact.
The same method has been used to calculate that humans "arrived" by whichever means you choose to believe, no more than 2 million years ago, in their most primitive form.
Geology: Over millions of years different layers of rock, earth and minerals pile up, and each layer can be identified as belonging to a certain time in pre-history. As dinosaur fossils have not been found in the same layers as human fossils, other than as a result of earthquakes or volcanioc activity, we can deduce that they never co-existed.
Lack of historical documentation: There is no evidence produced by humans in the form of writing, paintings or any other medium, to suggest that dinosaurs co-existed with them. This is not counting the faked pottery from Peru, or the bible verses which were translated by a Hebrew speaker earlier in the thread as referring to animals which are alive today.
This is solid evidence, infact I would go so far to say that it is proof. I base my belief on facts.
I have justified myself. Now prove your beliefs to me.
There are no references to dinosaurs in the bible.
It is not beyond modern Christians to alter the bible in translation to their own ends.
The writers of the bible were very much capable of lying, exaggerating and making mistakes.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by Seapeople
Dbrant. Question for you. If you answer this honestly, then you are not like the rest. For some strange reason, I don't think you are like the rest. It must have been an impression you gave me somewhere else.
Is it a fact that it was dinosaurs mentioned in the bible, or is it just speculation? Answer this regardless of your beliefs as to whether or not it was dinosaurs. Is it a fact?
After studying and thinking on the verses. My vote would be this is talking about dinosaurs. I believe that dinosaurs are a big deal to mankind(in the sense that it causes division) and God would put the answer in the Bible. Also in Genesis it says when God created the animals so that means dinosaurs also.
Originally posted by sntx
Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
I believe that dinosaurs and humans never co-existed. To believe otherwise is to ignore overwhelming evidence:
Oh, you mean the evidence that is interpreted by beliefs about what happened in the past that you don't have. Do you know the difference between historical science and operational science? Can historical science be pursued without some kind of axiomatic basis?
and this differs from your your quoting of scripture how?
the bible cannot be used as "evidence" in this situation, as the so called "referances" to dinosaurs can easily, and far more belivably, be interprated as referances to known critters alive and well today.
there are referances to the jabawocki(sp), in alice in wonder land....there for dinosaurs existed with man yes?
Originally posted by Seapeople
I understand and accept what you believe. My question is not of your beliefs however. The question is, is it a fact, that dinosaurs were mentioned in the bible.