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Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
SNTX - are you one of those people that claim that the earth is less than 10,000 years old?
Originally posted by sntx
Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
SNTX - are you one of those people that claim that the earth is less than 10,000 years old?
I have never made such a claim nor do I have the knowledge to do so.
Steve
Originally posted by skippytjc
Ifs its not mentioned in the Bible then its fake. Didnt your parents teach you anything? You will go to Hell if you even question it.
Or maybe I should say it this way: If I cant bend the Bibles words to force my beliefs on you then its fake.
Isnt organized religion grand?
Originally posted by Seapeople
What I am going to do here, is show everyone reading this thread 2 things. The first is that SNTX provided only part of a whole data. He only provided a few facts, when providing more could have given everyone a different idea about the dinosaurs. The second thing I will show is that he did this intentionally. Could make him a hypocritical liar, but I will try as hard as I can at this point to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Originally posted by Geneticus
How do we reconcile the Bible with meat eating dinasaurs? I am somewhat stumped on this one...but...
Originally posted by Seapeople
SNTX,
First you stated, "To someone who knows nothing about the past, the truth does seam to be distorted". Yet you call me arrogant?
To that point, I had done nothing wrong, unless you consider pointing out a known fact that answersingenesis.com is unreliable, and has been proven so many times, on many different occasions.
Second, you stated that I was correct on several issues.
Third, you criticized a statement I made about the psalms. You stated that my logic was that literature is all metaphorical. This is not the case. I simply stated that psalms were.
But considering you argued against that, I will provide an example of what you subscribe too.
Psalm 137:9: Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones
Lovely, isn't it. Now would this be considered metaphorical to you? I wonder? Tell us all, do you consider this to be metaphorical, I bet you don't even answer.
Forth, you stated that dinosuars were not predominantly predators, and that they do not play a large role in our lives today. First off, that starts because we are at the top of the food chain, and most scientists believe the dinosaurs were at the top of the food chain while they were alive, but no matter on that. Do we, or do we not write about, film about, record about, and generally retain information about everything alive today? So, if the dinosaurs are not referenced in the bible, by todays standards, WHICH YOU REFERENCED, something would be wrong.
Fifth, you mentioned many different references that you claim to be of dinosaurs. Of them, I already have shown you that without a shadow of a doubt, that is not the case within the bible, and if you would like me to go and hunt down information on every single one of your 8 or so references I will. What you said there was purely speculation with evidence to the contrary. You are not an idiot, and you know that. So that makes you a liar.
Sixth, you stated that I said there were no references in scripture of dinosaurs, and then changed my mind later and claimed there was. You again, are a liar. You did what typical people like you, and christians do. You pulled one sentence out of context and presented it in a way that you knew I had not intended. That is what liars do.
Seventh, YOU SAID I MAKE TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS. I at the very least acknoledged that those references could, however unlikely it is, be of dinosaurs. You refused to acknowledge that they couldn't.
You are quite hypocritical arent you?
You are quite a poor liar. You might need to go to more theological seminars to get better at it.
You made ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS. I just called you on it, while making none. All I did was cite evidence of WHERE THOSE WORDS CAME FROM.
Eighth, you claimed that it is not logical to conclude those pasages in the bible were not dinosaurs. Yet most people on earth, included scholars of the bible, and archeology, would disagree with you, who is clearly uneducated in this. Obviously, you did not even look at any of the evidence I showed you to the contrary that I got FROM CHRISTIANS.
Ninth, I said a large portion of the dinosaurs were large, fast, and meat eaters. You said, "WRONG". To start off, there are approximately 330 knowm species of dinosaurs. Just like you said. Thre are also several thousand that have yet to be classified and identified. Now I looked at every one of the 330+ known species and did a count of meat eaters. I came up with well over 65 percent of the known dinosaurs were meat eaters. However, I found a website claiming that it is 35%. So we will take the smaller amount. That is 115 of the 330 known species eating meat. Again, you said wrong. Which of course is another lie. Nearly all of the meat eaters were fast according to these websites, but on to the size. I am going to say that a length of 13 feet or more is large, due to alligaters and such. Go to the websites. Read for yourself. There were at least 92 species of dinosaurs that were bigger than this that we know. You lied yet again.
Tenth, you stated that humans were too smart for dinosaurs, and that they were faster. Now, meat eating dinosaurs were the fastest dinosaurs for obvious evolutionary reasons that you will not acknoledge.
We do know though, that they were the fastest. Some of them ran up to 25 miles an hour. Tell me, can you run that fast?
We could outsmart them you say? We are pretty smart huh.
How many people are killed by dogs a year?
How about sharks?
Maybe lions or bears?
How many people get killed by snake bites, or even spider bites?
How many people die each year due to animal attacks?
Yeah, we definitely outsmart them all the time.....
Eleventh, you said, I was wrong and that there was more than two references in the bible regarding dinosaurs. Buddy, most intelligent people unlike yourself would agree that there are none. I already showed you references as to why.
In closing, you lied, several times.
You made statements that included words like, "Is", and "Are", when you knew that was not the case.
Nowhere, do you have evidence of dinosaurs in the bible, besides the lovely fiction novel called answersingenesis.com.
You knowingly lied. That makes you a liar.
So give it up, and stop acting like a fool. Admit where you were wrong, and get it over with. Youll feel better about yourself if you are christians
Who wants to bet that SNTX (Steve) doesn't respond?
Originally posted by sntx
Seapeople,
Once again you prove that you can not read. I am no more impressed now than I was when I read your first mistake, that is to say not at all. You can try to cover yourself with a torrent of words but the original posts remain for all to see.
You are your own worst enemy. The irony of you calling me a liar is elegant. It is somewhat sad to see you flailing about in anger, but mostly it is amusing. Trying to interact with someone who is willfully ignorant can seem like such a waste of time, but I am sure that there are others who can benefit from your display as it is an example of what not to do.
Steve
Originally posted by Seapeople
Steve, buddy,
Answer one simple ?.
Did you say that the references you pointed out WERE references to dinosaurs, or did you say they could be?
Please answer this question.
Originally posted by sntx
There are many references to dinosaurs in scripture.
When you actually read the passages it is not logical to conclude that they could be referring to alligators or hippos. The reasoning can be read in my first post.
"Not long after the Flood, God was showing a man called Job how great He was as Creator, by reminding Job of the largest land animal He had made: ‘Behold now behemoth, which I made with you; he eats grass like an ox. See now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the muscles of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are like tubes of bronze; his limbs are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: his maker brings near his sword’ (Job 40:15–19). The phrase ‘chief of the ways of God’ suggests this was the largest land animal God had made. So what kind of animal was ‘behemoth’? Bible translators, not being sure what this beast was, often transliterated the Hebrew, and thus the word behemoth (e.g. KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV). However, in many Bible commentaries and Bible footnotes, ‘behemoth’ is said to be ‘possibly the hippopotamus or elephant.’24 Some Bible versions actually translate ‘behemoth’ this way.25 Besides the fact that the elephant and hippo were not the largest land animals God made (some of the dinosaurs far eclipsed these), this description does not make sense, since the tail of behemoth is compared to the large cedar tree (verse 17). Now an elephant’s tiny tail (or a hippo’s tail that looks like a flap of skin!) is quite unlike a cedar tree! Clearly the elephant and the hippo could not possibly be ‘behemoth.’ No living creature comes close to this description. However, behemoth is very like Brachiosaurus, one of the large dinosaurs."
Originally posted by Seapeople
Just so everyone is aware of what we are dealing with when we talk to sntx, I will point out something that is somewhat hidden in the middle of a long post.
I asked him this:
Psalm 137:9: Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones
Lovely, isn't it. Now would this be considered metaphorical to you? I wonder? Tell us all, do you consider this to be metaphorical, I bet you don't even answer.
His Answer: "No, I do not consider that verse to be metaphorical at all."
So, sntx does not believe that statement is metaphorical, and therefore believes it is direction in life. The bible states, in normal terms, happy are those who kill their children by smashing them off of rocks. And, being the good christians he is, he agrees.
You should be put in jail.
You basically just let us all know that you would be happy to smash children off of rocks. Nice touch pastor steve. At least you are done lying...about that.
By the way, you called my arguments valueless. I provided facts in MUCH greater detail than you have attempted. I researched your illogical claims from a christian standpoint, and found that through research it is known what leviathen and behemoth were. They came to these conclusions througth THE ACTUAL USE OF THE WORDS. Something you just toss out I guess.
You call my arguments valueless. Give me one peice of non answersingenesis evidence that you have provided in your defense as of yet. Just one.
You, are looking worse every time you post. I wonder what you will lie about now.
Oh, by the way,
You said to me "do you think that posting something from a christian source makes it credible? That makes you a comedian..yada yada yada. Were you not the first one to do that very same exact thing SNTX? Yet you defended yourself very harshly starting this argument. This argument started because I pointed out to you that your source was unreliable. Again, hypocritical, arent you?
Originally posted by CiderGood_HeadacheBad
Seapeople...
Facts and logical lines of argument are not what Christianity is based on. For the sake of your own health I suggest you ignore this ignorant drone, as all he is capable of doing in debate is spouting off biblical verses and religious theory under the pretence that they are facts. People like that cannot be argued with as they are so entrenched, not even in their own beliefs, but in those of the organisation which indoctrinated them.
He is beyond redemption.
I have no respect for anyone who does not believe that the mere mortals who wrote the bible were capable of lying. The bible is not the word of "God".
If you have faith in a higher power then I can respect that, but it is a foolish, lazy and ignorant thing to take every word spoken by a priest or written by a so-called prophet as fact, simply because they claim to be men of "God".