WTC 7 fell in relative silence, no detonation capable of cutting steel.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Salander

So they could orcastrate 911 but couldn’t use a paper shredder??

They could orcastrate 911 but they couldn’t fake a power failure that wiped the system?!?!

The thing is for a group with the authority and resources to perpetrate 911. Insurance scams, court cases and pentagon records are small potato’s...

Any group who could orcastrate 911 wouldn’t need tax scams. They would have access to the money printing machines..

There is no motivation I can think of where 911 wouldn’t be bringing a nuke to a knife fight..


It’s too expensive and risky to ever be the most logical course of action..

Again, there were many purposes for the attacks. Yes, one of the purposes was just terror for its own sake. Yes the perps were terrorists, but they weren't muslims with box cutters flying with airplanes.

Some people made money, some consolidated power, and records were destroyed that would have really incriminated certain powerful men.

And tricks were played and technology tested. Yes, the Missions were accomplished.

What records were destroyed that could not be recovered, or goetten from pentagon contracts, banking records, vendor’s records, military unit financial records, treasury records, audit records........

Are you saying its impossible for Muslims to fly jets? That is not very nice.

a reply to: Salander

Are you saying “they” used jets to destroy records we wouldn’t know were deleted or not? If we didn’t know the records existed, then who is to know if the hardrives didn't just “fail”? or just keep the records secret?

a reply to: neutronflux

They do not need to all fail at the same time... and you do t have to be an engineer to visualize it.

One starts to buckle , then a second, exc until you reach a point of critical mass where the remaining supports all give way simultaneously .

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There are a lot of testimonies about the sound prior to collapse.
On video we have mostly visual evidence of a CD and a little bit sound evidence, but for most people it is easy to connect the dots unless you are a stubborn debunker.

Debunkers failed miserably and always concentrate on the lack of sound in the video, but since there are a few out with sound the evidence is there already. check out the last video for example. it is also consistent with the 1st one because at 17 sec you hear charges and a pre demolition blast. If you think it is a fake composition watch the CNN dvd America remembers.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

The collapse started in the interior of WTC 7, and was from east to west. The interior went into a progressive collapse that gutted the interior. Then the facade of WTC 7 fell in unison once the interior could no longer support the outer walls. The timing for the interior progressive collapse is different than the complete collapse of the exterior of WTC 7. Your narrative is not supported by fact or video.

Please cite a source that all the interior steel columns failed at the exact same instance.

Your narrative is false.

Firefighters reported earlier buckling of one of the WTC 7 outer walks long before the collapse. WTC 7 did have structural elements that underwent buckling and bowing.

There is no evidence of CD. Period.

Might look at this.
debunked-ae911truths-analysis-of-slag-residue-from-wtc-debris.t9468/
www.metabunk.org...

The whole narrative of a progressive interior collapse was created entirely by NIST. There's no visible evidence of that ( i.e. windows blowing out ) and like the very point of your OP, there was no loud noise! Ceilings collapsing and crashing onto floors create a loud enough noise for the crowd of people that were nearby the building to hear it.

So, can you provide any video or audio that there was a significant interior collapse that precipitated the exterior collapse? Or are we just going with what NIST claims?

Let's not forget 2 important things:

1.) WTC 7 was the first steel-framed high rise building in history to collapse due to fire.

2.) NIST denied all FOIA requests to divulge essential data to engineers and architects interested in learning more about the impossibilities surrounding the take down of WTC7.

a reply to: drommelsboef

It wouldn’t matter..

2 planes had just struck the tower.. there was a raging fire..


Of course you are gonna have random explosions...


If we are assuming the mainstream narrative is the truth. You still have explosions..


So proving explosions, isn’t proving the conspiracy.. you have 2 towers still wired for gas and power collapsing?!?

Of course you have explosions..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

No, the firewalls exist between every floor. If you have a fire on any given floor you want to stop the fire from spreading to other floors. You don't place firewalls on the floors you think a plane is going to crash into.

a reply to: neutronflux

Okay I was just replying to others who had replied to my comments. I'll stop replying to those comments now.

originally posted by: SkeptiSchism
a reply to: JoshuaCox

No, the firewalls exist between every floor. If you have a fire on any given floor you want to stop the fire from spreading to other floors. You don't place firewalls on the floors you think a plane is going to crash into.

The fires were started by the outside windows and walls of WTC 7 breached by the collapse of the twin towers. The firewalls were bypassed. Especially if the collapse of the towers left holes in the firewalls, if doors on each floor were left open, if stairwell doors were left open.

a reply to: neutronflux

I see, so you claim in the OP there is no video footage showing explosions in WTC7, do you have video footage showing the exterior cladding of WTC7 compromised?

I mean I would think if the exterior cladding of WTC7 was compromised enough to affect the structural integrity of the interior columns, then it would have come from the direction of the twin towers, which would have induced rotational moments in the structure adjacent to the twin towers.

Edit: so the failure mechanism of the building would have been clearly evident in video showing the building toppling in a direction towards the twin towers, since the columns adjacent to the the towers failed first, inducing rotational moments in the frame.

a reply to: drommelsboef

Explosions powerful enough to cut steel columns easily create 140 db explosions. Detonation that are unmistakable. There is no evidence of explosions powerful enough to cut steel.

Explosions powerful enough to cut steel columns create a flash. There are no flashes.

Detonations powerful enough to cut steel cause over pressure events. There is no evidence of a pressure wave from detonations.

Detentions powerful enough to cut steel columns would have blown out windows. There is no evidence detonations blew out windows.

For implosion, non load bearing walls are removed to create a clean break. Non load bearing wall can stiffen a building, and cause an implosion to fail.

There was no indication of shrapnel from detonations. Especially in the context that explosives and floors of a building that are to be imploded are often wrapped in material to prevent the ejection of shrapnel. Windows are removed to prevent the hazardous rain of glass.

If there was evidence of CD at the WTC, AE would have never had to create mythical fizzle no flash explosives. Is that a false statement?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

As stated, there are no physical signs of detonations at WTC 7 that had the power to cut steel columns. Thus AE 9/11 Truth was forced to purse mythical fizzle non flash explosives.

Can you provide any evidence of WTC 7 CD on video other than you think it looks like CD.

I can provide the quotes that shows there was numerous concerns and indications WTC 7 would fail. The reason WTC 7 was cleared and a perimeter set up around WTC 7. Is it false some of those quotes are in this thread.

I asked you to cite a source that states otherwise the collapse of WTC 7 started in the interior from east to west. And that the facade fell only once the interior fell. You have failed to do so.

It is crappy of NIST, but please explain what freedom of information acts have to do with no evidence of CD, and architects and engineers forced to create the fizzle no flash explosives narrative?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

If WTC 7 did not start to fail from the interior east to west, how did the penthouse fall out of view through the roof before WTC 7’s facade collapsed?

9/11: WTC 7 east penthouse collapse (partial video)
m.youtube.com...

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

How many building implosions cause a progressive interior collapse that works its way from one end of a building to the opposite end, causes things to drop out of view into the roof while the buildings exterior stays in place, and then causes the complete failure of the facade?

WTC 7 doesn’t even look like a CD...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

How many building implosions cause a progressive interior collapse that works its way from one end of a building to the opposite end, causes things to drop out of view into the roof while the buildings exterior stays in place, and then causes the complete failure of the facade?


WTC 7 doesn’t even look like a CD...

Again, you have no proof of an interior collapse other than NIST or quotes from people at the site anticipating a collapse. Which makes your refutation of my first point totally void.

Also, showing that the penthouse collapsed first in no way disproves that CD was used.

You may be the only person I've ever heard say that WTC 7 doesn't look like a CD. But of course, you're clearly not an expert.
But let's see what a controlled demolition expert says about building 7's collapse:

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a reply to: neutronflux

Its called AUTOEXPOSURE, where flames coming from windows causes windows above them to break from heat
admitting flames and embers igniting more fires

Was responsible for destruction of One Meridian Plaza in Philadelphia in 1990, killing 3 Philadelphia firefighters

This video shows an AUTOEXPOSURE at WTC 7 = after 3 minutes can see windows failing from the heat

www.liveleak.com...

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

How many building implosions cause a progressive interior collapse that works its way from one end of a building to the opposite end, causes things to drop out of view into the roof while the buildings exterior stays in place, and then causes the complete failure of the facade?


WTC 7 doesn’t even look like a CD...

Again, you have no proof of an interior collapse other than NIST or quotes from people at the site anticipating a collapse. Which makes your refutation of my first point totally void.

Also, showing that the penthouse collapsed first in no way disproves that CD was used.

You may be the only person I've ever heard say that WTC 7 doesn't look like a CD. But of course, you're clearly not an expert.
But let's see what a controlled demolition expert says about building 7's collapse:

youtu.be...

Funny you totally ignored this post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If WTC 7 did not start to fail from the interior east to west, how did the penthouse fall out of view through the roof before WTC 7’s facade collapsed?

9/11: WTC 7 east penthouse collapse (partial video)
m.youtube.com...
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You need to stop creating false arguments.

Why do you ignore the video evidence the penthouse and items on the roof of WTC 7 dropped in to WTC 7 out of view before the facade even stated to fall.

You have not argued any evidence of WTC 7 CD other than you think it looks like one. I invoked video evidence, and explained why it does not look like a CD

www.abovetopsecret.com...
How many building implosions cause a progressive interior collapse that works its way from one end of a building to the opposite end, causes things to drop out of view into the roof while the buildings exterior stays in place, and then causes the complete failure of the facade?

WTC 7 doesn’t even look like a CD...


Don’t get mad at me because you fall for the truth movement con.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Whole statement by demolitions experts with data from engineering seismographs located in Manhattan on 9/11.

www.implosionworld.com...

There is no evidence of CD at the WTC. Why do you think AE came up with mythical fizzle no flash explosives. Why do you think the truth movement put so much time and effort in to creating the fraudulent argument of thermite.

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

You forgot the passport they found. I'm only trying to help!

They also found the flight manifest and mail from the cargo hold on the street

Your point being what......???

If they can find other pieces of paper from inside the aircraft, goes to figure that the passport could also have
survived

On Oct. 12, it arrived inside a second envelope at Mrs. Snyder's modest white house on Main Street here, and the instant she took it out and saw it, she says, ''chills just went over me.'' It was singed and crumpled. A chunk was ripped out, giving the bottom of the envelope she had sent the look of a jagged skyline. Mrs. Snyder's lyrical script had blurred into the scorched paper. The stamp, depicting a World War II sailor embracing a woman welcoming him home, was intact.

Along with the letter was a note: ''To whom it may concern. This was found floating around the street in downtown New York. I am sorry if you suffered any loss in this tragedy. Sincerely, a friend in New York!''

Since then, Mrs. Snyder, a customer service representative at a grocery store, has discovered that she has one of only two pieces of mail known to have been recovered from the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. At least one auction house has contacted her, saying she could sell the letter for tens of thousands of dollars.