UK wanted to ditch the armys "Be the Best" slogan for being "non inclusive".

a reply to: Theprodicalson

You say weak enfeebled youth...

I doubt you know any youths, I'm guessing you don't meet many of them 11pm at night. Engage with them instead of putting walls up and engaging your own safe space.

Misguided yes, feeble? Hardly.

Considering the youth are varied ya know? Plus some of them are soldiers, who also like to hang around in big groups when socialising in civvy life.

Funny that?

a reply to: Theprodicalson

your words

Hand to hand combat specialist = Quadriplegic to be inclusive to people in a wheel chair.

Demolition expert = A returned ISIS jihadi as we cant exclude people based on religious ideology or political affiliation

would point to your selective use of joking when it suits your narrative.

They were talking about this on Radio 2 today. From what they were saying they can't get enough lads to sign their life away anymore so need a new approach to coaxing them in. A new slogan is part of that plan. The days of old when a nations kids could be mind controlled through the limited media are long gone and they've really wised up now to what being "the best" actually means............... Gun fodder for the big corporations

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Theprodicalson

Lack of equipment?

What kind of equipment?

Granted, I know only a few people in the forces. I've never heard of a lack of equipment being a problem, wrong equipment for the job maybe, a bunch of pencil pushers screwing up the logistical chain and providing substandard equipment for the job at hand most definitely.

I wouldn't say "lack of equipment" though... It's not like we were dropping darts in Libya via bi-planes.

Rat infested barracks are new to me though, maybe you can provide a link?

A kid I went to school with lives on barracks (often)
with his wife and children, can't say I've ever heard complaints about living standards.

Also, can you name a time (reported or not) that the British Armed Forces moral was apparently not rock bottom?

They've been rock bottom for at least 17 years, I was too young to notice beforehand.

lack of equipment

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Yep, I should have added for now.

Some say it's by design... Given the option though most people will go to the private side of things, why not? It's good pay.

It's something people really should open their eyes to, it's the liability issue I've always had problems with.

But that's why it is so appealing, the government isn't accountable for the actions of a private citizen doing work in the private sector.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Theprodicalson

your words

Hand to hand combat specialist = Quadriplegic to be inclusive to people in a wheel chair.

Demolition expert = A returned ISIS jihadi as we cant exclude people based on religious ideology or political affiliation

would point to your selective use of joking when it suits your narrative.

Dont like my humour? Tough.

Your triggering is none of my concern. Go find a safe space for yourself elsewhere.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

War is not humorous. You also seem to conveniently forget that Italy was on Britain's side in WWI.

You also need to understand that you acquire or develop a sense of humour - not "grow it".

I honestly didn't think this was a worthy argument to "lose" LOL

You have shown 1 link in your OP and the rest was hyperbole, mischaracterization and appeal to ignorance.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

Not sure what you did but your link isn't working.

Tbh though, I see no need to take the piss out of people with disabilities. It's more of a reflection of you than the direction the military is heading.

Other changes where the abolishing the armys historic symbol, crossed swords over a lion. How is that offensive? What where they doing to replace it with? A picture of a white flag? 

No not a white flag a union jack with the words army on it.

Do some background reading on the insignias and symbols of the armed forces.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

Our goverment and union is politically weak and on thin ice as it is, conscription would break that ice.

A perceived enemy rallies a nation through the art of Propaganda.

Weak? - well they seem to be strong in protecting historical sexual abuse by those who were in power.

Any Government will have procedures and incentives in place to push a war footing when it is needed even in the absence of direct threat to nationhood.

Australian were forced into National Service...to go to Vietnam after the Gulf Of Tonkin fake lies. Much like the non existent WMDs of Iraq...

In 1964 compulsory National Service for 20-year-old males was introduced under the National Service Act (1964). The selection of conscripts was made by a sortition or lottery draw based on date of birth, and conscripts were obligated to give two years’ continuous full-time service, followed by a further three years on the active reserve list. The full-time service requirement was reduced to eighteen months in October 1971.[24]

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

You did not have the internet back then.

If the internet was around in the Vietnam era things would have been different.


As for the WMD in Iraq? Sure they got the uk to war. But it was very unpopular without the support of the british people and nearly brought down the government. That was without any mention of conscription.

The real issue is the failure of the private profit making organisation Capita to deliver what it promised when it tendered for, and was awarded, the contract for Army recruitment.

a reply to: RAY1990

I wouldn't say "lack of equipment" though... It's not like we were dropping darts in Libya via bi-planes.

Yep - UK is up in the top 3 when it comes to certain agents/methodologies of inflicting death on an enemy, without hand to hand if that is the right terminology. Real spooky stuff.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Gun fodder for the big corporations

Lets hope that the internet stays "free" so people can make their own minds up as to what the reality and nature of war entails. I get the feeling enough are awakened for another 10 years. After 10 years of this Orwellian nightmare who knows what the next generation will be thinking?

a reply to: Theprodicalson

Thats not lack of equipment - thats a wish list of buying more, let alone saying anything meaningful about the serviceability of existing assets.

a reply to: RAY1990


This is why its wrong on so many levels - protecting private corporations enriching (looting ) other nations and the taxpayer, not the shareholders, of such ventures foot the bill.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

hahaha

my quote:

your words would point to your selective use of joking when it suits your narrative.

Your own words indict you. If I was triggered I wouldn't be here. Someones got to call out your xenophobia and histrionics.

a reply to: Theprodicalson

Like I said the Govt is strong enough to resist calls for sexual abuse crimes.

www.independent.co.uk... l

Surveys reveal how we remember opposing the Iraq war - but at the time we supported it

54 per cent of people said they backed the invasion of Iraq in 2003, but just 37 per cent of people polled today recallsupporting it

funny how memory works

a reply to: CulturalResilience

from your link

Instead the Army and Capita lumbered on, using the existing and somewhat creaky military IT systems that had been in place beforehand.

There have been difficulties, you are right," Sir Michael replied. "We

Funny how penalty clauses are always invoked by the Tenderer, the tenderee where it is Govt. rarely enforces penalties if there are any to begin with.

Mercenary profiteers the lot of them!

Well I've recently apply for the Welsh Guards and currently training alot harder than I used to. But the whole "serving your country" or even being excited about the armed forces itself isn't around no where near as much as it used to be.

The cuts certainly haven't helped neither has this government being weak. The new advertising doesn't reflect all the excitement of being a member of the forces nor the sense of adventure. I think it's great the military is more open about orientation but why include it in your recruitment?

The military said a few years ago it basically doesn't care if you're a Muslim, gay, black heck even transpecies ( sadly I think that's a thing). So what's the point in spending millions on that? Why don't you just showcase some of the very few new toys we have? Such as the f35, t45, aircraft carriers, even the Ajax ifv?

I do hope I get into the military but this country is in a sad state of affairs. And I know I harp on alot about spending cuts (if you've seen my posts on other threads) but if you want a strong military and try and boost the numbers, ultimately more spending is required.

Anyway, screw it I hope I get in anyway.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Gun fodder for the big corporations

Lets hope that the internet stays "free" so people can make their own minds up as to what the reality and nature of war entails. I get the feeling enough are awakened for another 10 years. After 10 years of this Orwellian nightmare who knows what the next generation will be thinking?

Too right It does make your wonder how they will spin it in the future. We have got other ways to see through the governments propaganda into coaxing young lads into the forces. The days are gone when no other views on the murder business are available, they can't hide anymore and anyone can Youtube to see real violence and what happens in REAL violence / war. Hopefully enough people will see through the propaganda and steer clear of the military as it is. When real wars need fighting sure all men will go fight if we are being invaded by Nazis or something, but all these 'business man' wars in the ME are just not worth letting the government control you and ask you to lay your life down. What for?