FBI told opposition research group agianst Trump details of Trump investigation

a reply to: Scrubdog

I think it is more they create strawman that don’t exist..

Then change the argument to some farfetched slippery slope reality, nobody wants..

“We should ban the sale of new assault rifles, leaving the millions in circulation perfectly legal.”

Becomes.

“They wanna van all the guns and go house to house confiscatatng them!!

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Lets talk about Russia collusion. Maybe there might actually be a plot to influence American politics by Russia....just not the way everyone was selling it.

It is particularly disturbing that Mr. Akhmetshin and Fusion GPS were working together on this pro-Russia lobbying effort in 2016 in light of Mr. Akhmetshin’s history and reputation. Mr. Akhmetshin is a Russian immigrant to the U.S. who has admitted having been a “Soviet counterintelligence officer.”[14]

In fact, it has been reported that he worked for the GRU and allegedly specializes in “active measures campaigns,” i.e., subversive political influence operations often involving disinformation and propaganda.[15] According to press accounts, Mr. Akhmetshin “is known in foreign policy circles as a key pro-Russian operator,”[16] and Radio Free Europe described him as a “Russian ‘gun-for-hire’ [who] lurks in the shadows of Washington’s lobbying world.”[17] He was even accused in a lawsuit of organizing a scheme to hack the computers of one his client’s adversaries.[18]

www.grassley.senate.gov...

Thats from a letter by Charles E. Grassley, Chairman on the House Judiciary Committee sent to Dana Boente, the then Acting Deputy Attorney General. "Grassley is asking for an update on Browder’s 2016 FARA complaint, including what steps the department has taken to enforce FARA."

This makes it clear to me at least that Fusion GPS is part of a Russian state intelligence apparatus and the DNC was involved with the underbelly of the Russian government. The place where organized crime and official underlings get rich off dirty deeds.

Taking into account all the revelations in the past +year and we have a realization that we got a big problem over here.

The DNC is burnt BBQ.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: Grambler

I have to say I usually understand your threads and appreciate them but the last 5-6 paragraphs I am having trouble integrating into the who.

Maybe it is just late for me.

I assume you mean the part about harming the investigation.

Let me try to explain it better.

Lets say you are the fBI, and you have info that came from a trump source that they may be working with russians to steal hillarys emails, etc.

So you start an investigation into this.

Why would you divulge details of that investigation to an oppo firm that you know is shopping information to the media?

Wouldn't the best strategy to actually find the truth of rather or not Trumps team were breaking the law be to keep the investigation as quiet as possible so that if people were breaking the law they wouldnt be tipped off that the FBI was looking at them?

For example, remember when Papadopolous was indicted, and the were rumors that he may have wore a wire?

That would only work up too the point that Trumps team knew he was cooperating with the feds. After that, tehy wouldn't say anything remotely damaging in front of him.

By the same token, If trumps team was breaking the law in dealing with russians, once they found out that the FBI had a source inside their own team and was actively looking at criminality with trumps team and russia, they would adjust their behavior to not get caught.

So IF trumps team was breaking the law, the FBI considerably hampered their own chances of catching them by blabbing details to groups trumps opponents were paying to contact the media to smear trump.

I hope that clears it up.

And Adm Rogers went to Trump Tower to tell Trump he was being tapped.

The next day Trump moved the whole shebang to his golf course in NJ.

McCain is in the mix somewhere.

Sorry if this doesn't fit in.

It turns out that the whole papodoupolis thing was a lie and the fbi never told Steele anything so I think this has been settled.

a reply to: tadaman

Rep Grassley is a career politician whose only goals is to be Republican, doing what his party wants and keeping himself in that position.

The Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, or even thinking that there may have been actual help from a foreign government with their party. They are not interested in getting to the truth, and seek to try to stall or even worse, hide it.

Grassley, has been playing this political game for years, when a democrat is in the oval office, he complains and cries foul, and then later on, when a Republican is in office, silent on the exact same thing.

The reality and truth here is that all of the major powers around the world have been trying to interfere in each others political processes for years. Though it has never really been that much of a success until now, and it opens a far more dangerous door, than anyone really wants to admit. The US has been doing it, as have China and even yes, Russia.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Whats illegal?

In a domestic election, No, you can not involve people who worked, or still work for a foreign government. ESPECIALLY those who work in intelligence. Not their politicians, government employees, and so on.

FGPS has issues with foreign intelligence sources and employees /consultants not being properly registered and having their activities cleared by a review.

It violates campaign laws by all that. The fact that the DNC co-funded a political opposition firms strategy with Clinton against an opposing party nominee in a US election is absurd.

Further insult to misery, the opposition strategy that was illegally funded by a party and presidential candidate was used against a standing president AFTER the election.

That motivated a large effort by our government causing waste and hysteria against the POTUS. This has bled into society in general.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: sdcigarpig

Lets talk about Russia collusion. Maybe there might actually be a plot to influence American politics by Russia....just not the way everyone was selling it.

It is particularly disturbing that Mr. Akhmetshin and Fusion GPS were working together on this pro-Russia lobbying effort in 2016 in light of Mr. Akhmetshin’s history and reputation. Mr. Akhmetshin is a Russian immigrant to the U.S. who has admitted having been a “Soviet counterintelligence officer.”[14]

In fact, it has been reported that he worked for the GRU and allegedly specializes in “active measures campaigns,” i.e., subversive political influence operations often involving disinformation and propaganda.[15] According to press accounts, Mr. Akhmetshin “is known in foreign policy circles as a key pro-Russian operator,”[16] and Radio Free Europe described him as a “Russian ‘gun-for-hire’ [who] lurks in the shadows of Washington’s lobbying world.”[17] He was even accused in a lawsuit of organizing a scheme to hack the computers of one his client’s adversaries.[18]

www.grassley.senate.gov...

Thats from a letter by Charles E. Grassley, Chairman on the House Judiciary Committee sent to Dana Boente, the then Acting Deputy Attorney General. "Grassley is asking for an update on Browder’s 2016 FARA complaint, including what steps the department has taken to enforce FARA."

This makes it clear to me at least that Fusion GPS is part of a Russian state intelligence apparatus and the DNC was involved with the underbelly of the Russian government. The place where organized crime and official underlings get rich off dirty deeds.

Taking into account all the revelations in the past +year and we have a realization that we got a big problem over here.

The DNC is burnt BBQ.

Bwwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Thanks, I really needed that.


Meanwhile, over in the REAL WORLD, we have everyone in the "Russian-Orbit" or Trump's campaign team reaching plea deals,
Trump's moronic offspring working with Russian agents in emails we've already seen,
Trump firing Comey for looking into Russia,
Trump talking about firing Mueller,
Trump doing Russia's bidding in so brazenly trying to lift Russian sanctions for nothing in return that Congress had to take it out of his hands 98-0 (And even then Trump said he didn't like it),
Kushner is over at the Russian embassy looking for a way to contact the Kremlin without the U.S. Government knowing.
BANNON saying the collusion and money-laundering with Russians all happened.
Russians running Facebook ads against Hillary
Russian agents talking about the Fake News sites picked up by right-wing sites (real fake news like Pizzagate, not the "NY Times is FAKE - type) www.newsweek.com...
Russians attempting to hack into 21 states databases
Russians buying Trump's florida property at 2x the appraised value

I could do this all night, the links between Trump and Russia.

But, Putin wanted Hillary to win, he hates Trump, yes bwowhahah, sorry. Tell it to me again.

a reply to: Scrubdog

In the "real world" we have everyone on trumps campaign team reaching plea deals?

I was going to go point for point but you literally can not provide evidence for a single item on your list of nonsense.

Also, what does anything you say have to do with the op?
What are your thoughts on the fbi giving information to Steele,(a British spy) working for Clinton, about how they already have an insider giving up information about russia(a lie it turns out)?

a reply to: Scrubdog

Everyone is reaching plea deals? Wow must be serious and not like 2 people over BS procedural violations.

Im sure then that there will not be counter suits based off the fact that these violations are not in the original scope of the investigations. LOL, wait yes there are. This is weaponized politics but why?

Before we knew who was paying FGPS you could have laughed. The DNC and Clinton were paying for the involvement of FGPS, TOGETHER, which is illegal. This has been admitted by them.

FGPS set up the Trump meeting, we know that now hands down.

Do you even math? You speak of common sense and logic but arent detective enough to see that IF 1, The DNC and Clinton were clients who paid FGPS, and 2, FGPS set up the meeting with Trump jr,.. = then the DNC and Clinton paid FGPS to set up Trump JR in a plot of supposed collusion. That is criminal.

Never Trumpers harped on and admit that if Jr would have had the meeting and talked about sanctions and promises that it would be collusion.....BUT ignore the fact that HIRING those same people to have the meeting with JR in the first place is ALSO collusion no matter what JR did.

Before we knew about FGPS' connections to the criminal underworld in Russia and their state intelligence apparatus you could have been oblivious to the rest. Not now.

If Russia saw that the DNC and Clinton were ready to use any means to win the election, their intelligence people also saw an opportunity to gain access to the core of the country.

People, events, private and secure areas of government and its staff, documents, intelligence and surveillance reports... Russia was involved in our election VIA FGPS,

FGPS did have access to these things VIA the DNC and Clinton.

a reply to: tadaman

At this point if they don't swing the only redress for The People is insurrection.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Instead of the ad hom on grassley, perhaps rebutting what he said would be more logical?

a reply to: tadaman

Im sure then that there will not be counter suits based off the fact that these violations are not in the original scope of the investigations.

One of many things you get wrong in this post. Mueller is authorized to prosecute any federal crimes he discovers in the course of the investigation:

www.nytimes.com...

Trump staffers are cooperating because some of the crimes Mueller is discovering still carry the death penalty. Your fantasies about the Clintons setting Donny Junior up are as laughable as they are irrelevant. Even if the Democratic party somehow set him up, Donny fell for it, and that makes him the culpable party.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: tadaman

At this point if they don't swing the only redress for The People is insurrection.

Leaving Russia and China to divide the world between them. Who might be behind that, do you suppose? Hint: China already has the United States in their pocket.

a reply to: DJW001

Thats a possibility.

I really dont give china much credit honestly. When you investigate their bolder claims its prety comical. Especially that underwater spacewalk they did.

Eta...case in point

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: tadaman

As i've said before ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Yes, Fusion is "linked to the Russian underworld" - but Trump is not.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Yes,Putin wanted to impact the American election, but by helping Clinton, and all those Facebook Fake News sites - which actually were a real thing, as in "Fake News" as in not a news site and not news, fiction, until Trump and his supporters usurped the term to apply to anything not on Fox - all those websites pounding Clinton with running a child sex ring, the ones actually traced to Russian intel, those websites were all to help Clinton somehow???

I don't believe your little meeting was "set up by Fusion" - I believe, as all the evidence indicates, that the meeting was set up specifically by the Russians, Moreover, let's pretend it wasn't, your boys did all they could to keep it quiet, didn't report it to the FBI, all to get the dirt on Hillary.

This Fusion/Russian/Hillary axis is really peculiar in how exquisitely Wikileaks - through Russian assistance - dumped the emails from Podesta just the very night that the Hollywood Access tape came out, but somehow THOSE Russians were wanting to help Clinton?

And you prefer to just ignore the fact that Trump is not only "Russian-Friendly" in his actions, he's seemingly Russian-Owned, especially in his attempts to lift the sanctions on Russia, and allow Putin to throw out half the diplomats (and thus many spies) in Russia with no retaliation here.

But, I'm supposed to believe that this is all some double super fake cross, and that it's actually Hillary (because of course it is, right?) that is in collusion with Russians, and Trump's a babe in the woods, a pinnacle of virtue, a victim of all these people wanting the truth, and that's why he fired Comey, because Comey is so beholden to Hillary, too, right?

As for your "procedural pleas" - not Manafort, and you have no idea what Mueller has over Flynn, and what Flynn promised to give Mueller, in order to secure the lying to a federal officer charge. Flynn likely accepted the plea to lying bc he saw that Mueller could prove much more. But, Mueller needed Flynn to tell him the next layer, and offers him the deal. Happens every day in the U.S. Attorneys' offices throughout the country.

Good chuckle. Then what happened?

I think Occam's razor is the single most over-used citation by people attempting to sound smart, but here, you have a president who has had deep ties with Russia for a long time, you have Russia acting on that president's behalf to get him elected, and vice versa, I think there's a very very simple solution. Russian and Trump worked, and continue to work, hand in hand.

Alas, I do not have the 40 years of experience that Mueller has, nor do I have access to the evidence he has. Neither do you. I am open to accepting that I've been wrong. I wonder if you are? When Mueller presents his findings, are you going to reject them as someone working "with the deep state" against Trump IF they do implicate Trump?

originally posted by: xxspockyxx
a reply to: Scrubdog

In the "real world" we have everyone on trumps campaign team reaching plea deals?

I was going to go point for point but you literally can not provide evidence for a single item on your list of nonsense.

Also, what does anything you say have to do with the op?
What are your thoughts on the fbi giving information to Steele,(a British spy) working for Clinton, about how they already have an insider giving up information about russia(a lie it turns out)?

I would be furious if the FBI didn't give an interview to the ex MI-6 Russian desk spy who comes to them with evidence that there's a huge problem in that one of our candidates seems to be compromised by Russia!

Christopher Steele is not some dumass like me who sits on ATS for an hour to get information on UFOs. He's the real deal top echelon spy in the real world. He's from an ally, the UK, and has worked with American intel on MANY things over the last few decades, and when THAT guy comes in and says "I have some stuff you might want to see here" I sure as hell want them to speak to him.

Your concern about "When the guy was working for Clinton" MIGHT have some more legitimacy if Clinton then went on to USE some of that info - but she didn't. Neither did Obama. Instead we heard "But her emailzzzz!!!" all through the campaign, and both Clinton and the Obama administration kept quiet about the boiling ocean below the surface, all precisely bc they DIDN'T want to politicize it.

Had either of them politicized it, you'd be in a stronger position to cry about the Fusion/Clinton link - ignoring that Steele was originally hired by Republicans, but I digress - since you don't, you are now crying backwards about what they could have done, instead of what actually WAS done, which is to put in place a Russian asset in the oval office.

a reply to: Scrubdog

Again, you have come up with some opinions about what you believe. We are all entitled to have those. If you had any proof of that would be a completely different story. But I will ask again, why would the fbi share our Intel with a British spy that came to them with a fabricated dossier? That is the question in the op and the question that you are for some reason ignoring...

a reply to: Scrubdog

Keep laughing. So far the only evidence of collusion comes from the DNC and Clinton, which have ADMITTED to hiring FGPS.

You know, the ones proven by our government and these investigations as being behind the Jr meeting.

Did you laugh when it was revealed AFTER the DNC and Clinton tried to hide it?

In the end I dont care what you believe. People like you laughed at us and shot us down since before the election. I remember using the Gandhi quote about people laughing at you.

Did we win? I can wait the year and a half left of investigations. Thats when even MORE evidence of Dems colluding with Russia will be revealed. You will see me again to remind you guys.

Until then....Bye bye.

LOL

a reply to: DJW001

He CAN. Now tell me how an investigation into foreign state collusion is actually about dotting I's and crossing T's. If all he finds are procedural violations then it WAS a witch hunt.

By all means, list everything I got wrong though, I am done for the day with work and have plenty of time.

a reply to: tadaman

This is some unusual usage of the word "proven" I can 't find in the dictionary.