FBI told opposition research group agianst Trump details of Trump investigation

a reply to: Scrubdog

I will respond more later. But for now, it was illegal for the DNC and Clinton to hire FGPS because they WERE ALREADY under investigations for FARA violations.

Its just the icing on the cake that they hired yet ANOTHER unregistered foreign intelligence agent while under the employ of Clinton and the DNC. Then they did it again when they employed Natalia Veselnitskaya who was in the country illegally and still working for her prior interests abroad.

The whole train wreck was grinding metal from the start.

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Also who was the primary client of FGPS?

How can the DNC put money into a political strategy that a presidential candidate is paying for?

There are campaign finance laws being broken by a joint venture of the DNC and Clinton in FGPS.

The project veritas videos showed further collusion between Clinton and the DNC to violate campaign finance laws.

Fusion was not a legal option for Clinton or the DNC because its status was not cleared. They were still under investigation for FARA violations and possible national security violations. FGPS didnt hire Steele without the consent of their clients.

That is a series of crimes. A foreign intelligence officer is not usable in a domestic election beyond consulting. Thats only when all dealings and interactions are transparent and open to review.

Also,

The supposed collusion. Ok follow me. The DNC hired someone to make it happen. (FGPS) The collusion was started by the client of the people paid to do it, and it was carried out on the behalf of the clients (DNC, Clinton).

Is this clear? So stack that next to everything and say mass if you like.

Client = Clinton and DNC
Hired employee = FGPS and co.
Crime = services provided. If it was illegal to talk to the Russian lawyer, is it not also illegal to hire her to do so? More so?

Target = First the Trump Campaign. THEN a standing president. (Sedition).

lol

More added:
Is it ok for one candidate to try to set up another and entrap them in a crime?

FGPS made the meeting with JR. They did so because their clients asked them to....so as to win an election.

I mean I am not retarded. WTF

originally posted by: tadaman

I was told to wait and see what came of the investigations.

Then, do that. Mueller is just getting started, and when it all shakes out the Trumps will have a lot of explaining to do. And, we all know how good they are at that.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: soberbacchus

Well then why isnt repeatedly lying about paying for dirt on trump that came from the Kremlin reason for an invetsigation?

Part of me actually hopes you know how twisted and reaching your BS equivocations are.

Otherwise being a Trumpite has really broken something in your brain.

So when trumps team lied about russian meetings, that was reason for an investigation.

No...The never ending list of meetings with Russian agents and the consistent LIES about those meetings over the past 1.5 years is cause for serious investigation.


The Chief National Security Advisor being an undeclared agent of a foreign government would suffice by itself..or him lying to the FBI about his conversations with Russians...Or him lying on security clearance forms about taking money from Russia...or Trump keeping him on for weeks even after becoming aware of this...or Trump firing the woman who made him aware and the FBI director who was investigating it.

The effen list of inexcusable reasons this needs to be deeply investigated is LONG.

But YES, the Don Jr. meeting would qualify on that list:

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras [a Moscow-based developer who tried to partner with Trump in a hotel project] this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona , but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Nothing to see here...Right?

side question:
does anyone have any ideas as to why there was a fire at hillary's place and then trumps place?

related to property access? some type of signal? retaliation trump fire? occult symbolism? [if an outsider started the trump fire, isnt it concerning he lit a fire on the presidents house a skpyskraper thats being "monitored" by secret service?].

hillary fire was weird enough then trump fire is like double weird.

did someone setup hilary to make it look bad like she's trying to "destroy" some type of evidence, and the trump fire was a retaliation?

a reply to: tadaman

Um..

What law says you can’t hire someone under investigation???

The entire trump team was under investigation at the time, so ...

Is there a law against people under investigation working with a campaign I don’t know about??



What is your proof they were actually under investigation?? Or are you just taking a zerohedge article as true???



As far as the dnc can’t pay for something with the candidate?!?!

What is every ad campaign in history if not a collaboration between the party and canidate?!?!


None of that makes sense at all..

a reply to: clfun12345

Both burning documents on the same day maybe? Lol

Oh, oh!!!

I know!

Trump and hilldog have been bumping uglies behind the scene for years..

Bill never treated her right and try having a conversation with Melania!! Girl is dumb as a rock..

So that led to a whirlwind romance filled with leather masks and bondage furniture..

aka good times.


Well the Washington post just caught wind so now they are burning all the keepsakes and love letters.

a reply to: soberbacchus

It’s not a new thing and it is the same basic demographic every generation or so..

It is the southern conspiracy theory crowd and has been for atleast 150 years..

This atleast goes back to the civil war.. the southern/rural populations have gotten played repeatedly and still are.. usually with the same exact basic tactic..


It is always “they are comming toget” something. Meaning the federal government or whoever else..


They were “comming to get your slaves” in the civil war. Even though “they “ were not comming to free the slaves and now they are “comming to get your guns” and they are not..

a reply to: tadaman

I think what Fusion is being referenced to, though it does not qualify as a foreign agent is the Prevezon Case.

US V. Prevezon case: Prevezon holdings are a Russian owned company that was accused of fraud, tax evasion and money laundering. Fusion was hired to do the research and investigation for the attorney that was hired to represent Prevezon. They were part of the case, yes, but had very little to any direct contact with the Russians involved, as the man person had a limited knowledge of Russian and those who spoke Russian, had a limited working knowledge of English. This case, for a side note, when Phreet Bharra was in charge was looking a punitive damages of a far large amount, however it was recently settled for far less for about 6 million dollars. This case was started by Magnitsky, which had uncovered the scheme in 2008, and was later thrown in jail and died, in Russia.

That is all the involvement that Fusion has had with Russia, but doing research for an American law firm and providing them with information to assist in their defense case. The same thing would apply to anyone for that matter, if they are accused of a crime and can afford a high priced lawyer and an investigator team to go through and do research for the defense, to refute and fight in a court.

To say that they are guilty of a FARA case, means that you would have to show in a court, that they took money from a foreign government that they are actively working for and lobbying on behalf of that government. That has not been shown or confirmed, and right now, until it is proven in a court, they are not guilty of such, unless they plead guilty, the same as Manafort, right now the man is innocent, as he has plead innocent and will have to go through court and be determined if he is or is not guilty. Flynn on the other hand is guilty of working for the Turkish government and on their behalf and has plead guilty to those charges.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: JBurns

No, it is you who has no proof my friend. Can you produce one shred of evidence demonstrating Trump's guilt? Of course you can't. That isn't your fault, it is theirs.

I never made any claim to anything of the sort.

You guys really aren't good at basic logic, are you?

They actually have the logic you have rarely shown. My vote is that you are the one not on the logic train. You have no grounds to say that with that kind of track record I see here always acting obtuse to them.

a reply to: Grambler

Steele tells his FBI contact that he will share his Russian informants with the Bureau. "We have our own informants," smirks the Fed. Steele suspects that there are individuals in the Bureau that are suppressing the Trump investigation, so he parts ways. In his debrief with Simpson, he airs his suspicion that the FBI may have contacts in the Trump campaign. Simpson passes this garbled story on in his testimony. However you view it, there were no "details" shared. This scenario is speculative, of course... But so is yours.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Very well said. I am going to remember that one. Well done.

As Matt Taibi says in Rolling Stone, that the CEOs that control this country, Republicans give them everything they want, Democrats give them nearly anything they want:

"In the elaborate con that is American electoral politics, the Republican voter has long been the easiest mark in the game, the biggest dope in the room. Everyone inside the Beltway knows this. The Republican voters themselves are the only ones who never saw it.

All you have to do to secure a Republican vote is show lots of pictures of gay people kissing or black kids with their pants pulled down or Mexican babies at an emergency room. Then you push forward some dingbat like Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin to reassure everyone that the Republican Party knows who the real Americans are. Call it the "Rove 1-2."

That's literally all it's taken to secure decades of Republican votes, a few patriotic words and a little over-the-pants rubbing. Policywise, a typical Republican voter never even asks a politician to go to second base."

a reply to: Scrubdog

In its basest form it is a continuation of the very real fear of violent slave rebellions..


Once you let the population approach a 50/50 split of slave/slave owner. Where the slave make up more than say 40% of the total population. It creates the very real fear that they might organize and slit the throats of every man woman and child in the civilization.


Which obviously would have been a legit possibility.. that’s what slaves do when they rebel..

Historically, societies that kept slaves, but a very low ratio of slaves. We’re not necessarily that cruel. The slaves become the “ AKC prize winning” dogs of their day..


But in societies where there are a big enough percent that if they rebel it could be catastrophic....

That is where the brutality we all associate with slavery comes in.. examples must be constantly made to keep the others submissive.


After abolition this seemlessly swapped into a fear of “violent black uprisings” and that trigger, that base almost primal fear has been used time and time again against the very same people.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Interesting.

I hadn't tied it in quite like that. That, too, I shall try to remember.

I always thought of it as that the poor southern white (I am all 3, but still a liberal dem) typical conservative voter will vote in anyone who ensures that minorities have it worse than them.

Therefore, they'll vote for Wall Street over themselves, but on the promise that black people, immigrants, gays, all remain inferior to them.

Thank you, good stuff.

a reply to: Scrubdog

This conversation between you two is amazing!

Yep right wing people and poor southern whites are all just racist voting to keep minorities down.

Please, continue with this brilliant dialogue!

a reply to: Scrubdog


See, that itself is bigoted. You're generalizing, demonizing and severely over-simplifying 100,000,000 people while ignoring the true roots of the nationalist-America first doctrine Trump was elected on.

Nationalism is simply pride for ones country, and the belief of your country's exceptionalism over that of other nations. It is patriotic, and has nothing to do with hating minorities or any other class of America.

The great dividers want nothing more than to push that fallacy. Actually, they'd love for that BS to actually be true. But fact is that it is not. What you labeled as "racists" and "Nazis" are actually nothing of the sort, save for small fringe elements that are present in all political parties - including the Democratic party.

You might want to take a look at your own extremists before being quick to assume every Trump voter meets those ridiculous definitions you've levied. I notice you've conveniently left out any actual evidence (or even an example) to support your very broad and heavily politicized claim.

Just because your guy loses an election doesn't mean the other side is evil. Sorry to burst that bubble, but we all have lost elections and it is part of a free society. You will be OK

a reply to: JoshuaCox

and now they are “comming to get your guns” and they are not..

But only because they know better

In all seriousness, the federal government has shown time and time again that it has little interests in protecting our rights. The Constitution is clear about the threat an overreaching federal government poses to the citizenry

Slavery is simply not possible in this country today. There are simply too many armed American patriots who would give their lives to uphold, preserve and defend the Constitution. TPTB want to make this into a racial issue, or a Russian issue, or any other issue they can think of to distract from the reality. In truth, anyone who thinks "white male Christian conservatives" (the most demonized group) is the enemy is making a serious error in judgment

Anyone who stands behind the same flag I do should be a friend, not foe

a reply to: JBurns

Yep.

I was generalizing.

Obviously it doesn't apply to everyone.

Carry on.

I don't believe every conservative is evil, but going up and down these threads and hearing how awful liberals are is quite informing.

a reply to: JBurns

I one-hundred percent agree with your last statement.

Yet, I've been told by more than a few (certainly not all, I will spell out when I'm generalizing, when I'm not, I'll be more specific), been told by more than a few Trump supporters that they prefer Putin to Democrats, and that's just a fact.

I don't.

I prefer Republicans, bc even though I may be the last American to think there's a difference, I still see a difference between Republicans and "Trump Party" people.

I

a reply to: JBurns

Fair enough I agree they know better..

Everyone does and has always known even publicly saying you want to is political suicide..


So why is a center platform and constant narrative in their propaganda, scare tactics that no one wants to do.???

Who said slavery was a threat??

I said the the conservative block has consistently played off fears of stuff when there is no real threat of it actually happening..