Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: mirageman

We'll, I think the consciousness link is interesting.
And these are books and movies for young adults seemingly.

So, who do we know with a keen interest in consciousness?

Maybe this is just as important a part of the puzzle as the whole AATIP TTSA thing.

Influencing the young, sowing ideas, planting concepts.

Maybe it deserves a look..

Just a hunch.

BT

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

I don’t think MUFON has the ability to do that ..

Was there a purpose to having UFO reports funnelled to NIDS/BAASS other than to satisfy his private curiosity?

On the surface besides general information hoarding it keeps any possible credible information OUT of the public domain. With the government funding Bigelow received I'm sure some info was shared, but this keeps any governmental entities well out of it "officially". Since Bigelow Aerospace is a private company we can all just go pound salt and guess at anything relevant.

Without legitimate MUFON insiders whistleblowing we're up a creek without a paddle.

a reply to: Caver78

Without legitimate MUFON insiders whistleblowing we're up a creek without a paddle.

James Carrion, the former International Director of MUFON, has pretty much blown the lid right off what was going on. Even though at the time he was unaware that Bigelow was offering MUFON government cash.

..if you go into this field with an open mind, you put aside your beliefs, you really look to see why there's so much noise surrounding this field. Pay attention to the noise. Pay attention to the characters that are in the field.

It's in the opening post. . It's also mentioned here on ATS 7 years ago. A web search will reveal a lot more.

a reply to: mirageman

My friend mm, we're behind the veil peeking in with our searing eyes and skeptical hearts. Indeed, sort of like thieves going in a bank looking for ways and means and getting a little light now and then but waiting for the final breakthrough…frustrating but exhilarating

Bigelow might be a UFO messiah with all his money given to the cause or more likely a government agent who was hired to monitor UFO activities. The 22 million is his payday. Not nuclear physics here but we’re just not certain 100 percent. 60 percent he’s that government agent, 35 percent he’s just a big kid following his childhood dreams and chasing spaceships and aliens—combined = Bigelow.

5 percent, he's an alien or something else.


He’s the guy in the movies from Ridley Scotts Alien/Prometheus series gone live!


James Carrion? Just a small guy carried away by big money and bigger dreams.

Mellon on Tucker.

Does anyone here know whether or not Puthoff or any of the other TTS crew believe in panpsychism? If consciousness is at the alleged "root" of the UFO phenomenon, then those that allege it would likely be considered panpsychists. Its a field of belief that has been picking up a lot of steam within the consciousness studies world and even several prominent physicists have grown keen on the idea. The basic idea is that all matter is "conscious". This does not necessarily mean matter has intelligence (oft defined as the ability to adapt to ones surroundings), although this line of thinking could help explain some strange behaviors within the quantum world, such as quantum entanglement or the double slit experiment. Quantum entanglement could lead to, at the very least, instant communication across vast distances, even light years away.

I posted this article a while back here on ATS, but its worth the read for those of us interested in the strange world of quantum physics, consciousness and perhaps even help explain the UFO phenomenon.

qz.com...

If anyone here finds any info on the TTSA crew pushing the panpsychism theory, I'd like to see it. I've looked around but have struck out so far.

I do remember there being some comments by maybe Kit Green or Puthoff saying that if we want to get to the bottom of the UFO phenomenon, we need to understand consciousness... but I don't remember if there was a deeper expansion on why they believed this.

a reply to: Harpua

Does it matter what theories they push. They know the same thing we do: NOTHING

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
Mellon on Tucker.

lol at Tucker's face

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
Mellon on Tucker.

So Mellon says that the 'go fast ' video is one of two that were submitted to the DoD by the commander of the carrier group that were involved in these incidents. He doesn't say what carrier group.

He quotes the commander as saying that this is a "plea for help". He doesn't give much more context to whom it was directly reported to.

The other video of these two he refers to could be the Gimbal video or a video not yet released.

My take away if this is true and the Navy Commander of an entire cArrier group is quoted as saying he is pleading for help to DOD/Pentagon brass because of these incidents is that a proverbial cold shiver has been creeping up Uncle Sam's spine for a long time about these UFO. With the onset of our own technology advances ( radar, advance tracking, etc) we now have definitive proof that these things act, maneuver in ways we cant explain.

No more passing off pilot reports of visual description. Our systems have definitively told us their speeds, manaveurs, etc and it scares the s%+ out of us.

There has to be at least one well funded black program gathering intel on these things and reporting to top DoDPentagon brass. What do you say to a Navy Commander when he comes to you " pleading for help"? " sorry sir, you don't have need to know"?

Maybe this really is what TTSA is. A PR program to notify, educate and hopefully gain the confidence of the general public in hopes of public opinion demanding answers.

We have seen many times the govt red tape that one hand does not know what the other is doing or more accurately, the one hand is hiding what's it's doing from the other hand.


PS

Does this TTSA have a great PR firm working for them, or what? I just saw the Gary Nolan Atacama skeleton story/study picked up by National Geographic, Time Magazine, NYT to name a few. Now Mellon just pops in to Fox News with Tucker Carlson for a 5 minute spot about the go fast video and his Op Ed piece. The powers that be have to have their hands in this.

There has to be at least one well funded black program gathering intel on these things and reporting to top DoDPentagon brass. What do you say to a Navy Commander when he comes to you " pleading for help"? " sorry sir, you don't have need to know"?

Surely the Navy will finally step in and shut it down?

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: mirageman

We'll, I think the consciousness link is interesting.
And these are books and movies for young adults seemingly.

So, who do we know with a keen interest in consciousness?

Maybe this is just as important a part of the puzzle as the whole AATIP TTSA thing.

Influencing the young, sowing ideas, planting concepts.

Maybe it deserves a look..

Just a hunch.

BT

I think that's a very good hunch with supporting evidentiary items. Puthoff and Green have ties back to the Monroe Institute as well. I only mention that because of your Poet Anderson observation about lucid dreaming. Bird Trivia: Kit Green has "astral traveled" at least once. I can feel my subconscious niggling at something---some connection being made. I know that's all kind of random for now, but...

a reply to: Paddyofurniture

Yeah like a really exceptional pr firm run by a rich Uncle.

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
Mellon on Tucker.

So Mellon says that the 'go fast ' video is one of two that were submitted to the DoD by the commander of the carrier group that were involved in these incidents. He doesn't say what carrier group.

He quotes the commander as saying that this is a "plea for help". He doesn't give much more context to whom it was directly reported to.

A ‘plea for help?’ More like a ‘plea to invest’.

Even Bruce Maccabee, who calculated the object’s height and speed from the ‘Go Fast’ video, stated that:
1. The object is NOT close to the sea surface but halfway between jet and sea level.
2. The DIFFERENTIAL speed between object and jet is 330 knots, which means that the speed of the object itself is “certainly not an earth shaking speed”. (The calibrated air speed of the jet is 250 knots).

Source

So yes, we can collect more data with our sophisticated sensors these days, but the data presented so far is underwhelming (though it looks more spectacular on the displays of these sensors).

a reply to: Harpua

Oh how I wish people would stop mystifying quantum mechanics.

Quantum entanglement will not lead instant communication across vast distances, even light years away.

Neither does quantum mechanics require any "consciousness" to work.

originally posted by: Guest101

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
Mellon on Tucker.

So Mellon says that the 'go fast ' video is one of two that were submitted to the DoD by the commander of the carrier group that

A ‘plea for help?’ More like a ‘plea to invest’.

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I understand your defensive attitude and it’s your prerogative to think Mellon is lying.

I’m still in the camp that I have not seen any thing malicious or underhandedly deceiving from TTSA to not give them the benefit of the doubt at this stage. But that benefit of the doubt comes with a continued poking and prodding accompanied by a skeptical eye.

If you take what Mellon says at face value , you have imply that the Navy Commander in this instance has much more data about these incidents then we will ever see.

And again, at face value of what Mellon describes , what would it take for a Navy Commander to go to his chain of command with this subject.? My guess would be that he has seen data that goes well beyond a reasonable doubt.

And when someone is quoted as saying “plea for help” it tells me that the Commander isn’t just interested in knowing what these are as a side project. He is concerned with the safety of his carrier group and the larger concern that he is not defending the waters he has been assigned to protect.

Either way, it seems with the continued media coverage , that has all mysteriously been taken very seriously by the media, with no X-Files music as an intro, etc. the general public will begin to slowly gain interest. And with general public interest , comes interest by senators and congressmen because there aligned interest means votes in their ballot box. With that interest can come some real inquiry we hope.

a reply to: The GUT

The consciousness thing may well be the underlying topic. Maybe more a psychological project? Are 'experiencers' being manipulated too. Look at how hypnotism became the de-facto solution to solve 'abduction' experiences. When in fact it has been proven to be totally unreliable.

There seems to be a push to control the UFO narrative in a world where 'truth' can't be buried like it used to be. So it is processed, twisted and sugar coated to taste, served by social media along with fake news to muddy the waters.
We are in the post-cover up era and what may be going on is an attempt to control the UFO story as much as possible by just ignoring ufology. It's fringe and 'ignored by the majority. All the PR effort is aimed at the mainstream media. It's targeting people who only think about UFOs when they are mentioned in the media. Is it working? Nobody really knows for sure.

a reply to: moebius

You are correct.

Fragile quantum states decohere when interacting with the surrounding environment.

That's all that is required, not "consciousness".

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

When a person is convinced to their core that religion is real..
they are then used, manipulated, and can even be trained to kill innocents.

"UFOlogy" also reaches the same deep place that religion reaches..

We have separation of church and state (supposedly and it's weakening unfortunately)..

but we don't have separation of UFOlogy and state...

so UFOlogy is a powerful (and available) tool.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What could you be suggesting here Kev?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

The decision to fund MUFON, indirectly with government money, also seems to have destabilized that organization and effectively turning MUFON into nothing more than an entertainment franchise.

Was there a purpose to having UFO reports funnelled to NIDS/BAASS other than to satisfy his private curiosity?

MUFON was well on its way to turning itself into an entertainment franchise long before this. I refer you to the Gulf Breeze fiasco, when MUFON fired some of its most prominent investigators for the offense of calling the Ed Walters hoax a hoax.

As for Bigelow's "purpose," I think we have already suggested that:

"Mr. Bigelow hired Mufon to try and capture a UFO on the ground so he can back engineering it to transport people in space…This is the truth and no exaggeration!” Denise M. Stoner, Chief Investigator Florida – Mufon State Section Director"

Bigelow believes that UFOs are genuine nuts-and-bolts ET technology, and if he pursues them long enough he will eventually capture one.