Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Jukiodone

the current sample being examined weighs in the ounces range.

a warehouse would seem to be a bit on the large side, when it would
fit in an envelope.

The word alloy denotes purposeful mixing.

The current sample does not evidence purposeful mixing.

I'm really not excited about any of the physical samples..

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Do you have a reference for that weight Kev - it doesn’t seem much at all?

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Do you have a reference for that weight Kev - it doesn’t seem much at all?

sure.

BTW, there are 5 known fragments of the Ubatuba "incident";
presumably all of a similar size (the impression I got).

www.ufocasebook.com...

I can't currently recall where I saw the weight listed, but you can see from
the photos, that the pieces are small and would fit in a standard envelope.

That's what all the fuss is about.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So it's just something like residue, or not even that?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks - it seems shockingly small. Are you certain these are really the latest samples?

originally posted by: zeroPointOneQ
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So it's just something like residue, or not even that?

I don't know if it's anything even worth examining.

But with a mystery this deep and daunting, I guess every pebble
must be turned over an examined.

Personally, I'm interested in evidence of "materialization" of temporary
radiation shielding..

Now I predicted an unusual arrangement of isotopes, to all have the same,
unusual nuclear "spin" attribute. If they publish.. it will be interesting
to see if my prediction is accurate.

I personally don't expect anything to come of it.

Frankly I think that large storage is simply part of the surface psyop..
to enhance UFO mania delusion.

Kev

a reply to: ctj83

I'm not on the inside...

I just sometimes contribute something worthy of comment/consideration
and then get to have an interesting conversation on occasion.

But I'd about eat my hat, if the other 3 pieces are significantly larger
or different, unless someone spikes the punch with disinfo..

JV would never allow that.. not knowingly.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, you mention it. Evidence of materialisation...

I always assumed that if there is residue after that kind of process you're dealing with an imperfect system (both in molecule rearrangement to simplify it or another way what you call the Boltzmann method). Evidence would indicate the process is not mastered but maybe that's a wrong way of thinking.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

IMHO if something actually did materialize, it would be a temporary thing..
the actual production of "matter" from a singularity is fraught with symmetry
breaking and the effects of Inertia and of course quantum waveform collapse.

Something artificially materialized would probably use a more elegant
process than that (the functional creation of a universe just to "make a ham
sandwitch") would probably not be used.

The need for radiation shielding for a living quantum "ball of light" would also
be of limited duration.. only while visiting our world.. which would be quite
an undertaking... and probably would not be sustained for any period of time..

Rather like a remote probe... remote probes are generally expendable..

But that's only if one thinks my hypothesis/theory is worth spitballing
about.

Frankly, I have no idea what these guys are doing, other than showmanship
to induce more UFO mania, to give them more samples from the wild
to examine.

The UFO mania HAS been dying down some I think it's fair to say.. it needs
to be periodically stoked up you know.

I mean, it's nothing like in 1952.. when "squadrons of UFOs" flew over the
Capitol.

that really revved people up.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Some seem to keep chasing portals and Greek mytholgy. I wonder if they're familiar with Tantalus.

Couldn't the residue simply be very small metal particles attracted to magnetism involved with some 'merging reaction' inside? If 'it' moves through geology, couldn't the pull be strong enough? Once these powers reduce you get a droplet like effect like rain falling from a cloud.

Nothing functional, just a simple side effect.

But that would be something you'd be able to verify in samples. The Greeks called it hysteresis.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kevin Randle seemed unimpressed by these samples some 8 years ago.

The very first problem is that the magnesium samples that allegedly came from an exploding UFO cannot be traced to the beach in Brazil where they were recovered....

Secondly, the claims of purity have not held up to scrutiny. ... It would seem that subsequent tests have shown that the metal, while extremely pure, was not 100% pure.

Third, the samples have been handled in a fairly cavalier fashion. Once they arrived in the United States, no one had kept track of them and it could be argued that the chain of custody was broken here as well. ...

But then we come to interesting conundrum. While magnesium of a purity equivalent to the Ubatuba metal was available, and that the testing done to date, regardless of the quality of the equipment or competency of the researchers, no one has been able to identify a source of the original sample. It is unlikely that it is of extraterrestrial origin, but no one can rule that out. ....

In the end there are several samples of magnesium that seem to be unique. There is nothing in them to suggest the extraterrestrial, yet there is a hint that these samples might not have been made on Earth. This, I think, would be the classic definition of "unidentified." But even with that, it is not proof that some UFOs are from other planets in other solar systems. In the very end we are only left with questions that might have no answers.

See : The Ubatuba UFO Sample

I'd have to question why they are looking at samples that are 60 years old. Despite Bigelow, AATIP and MUFON's combined might is this all they've actually got? Or are you referring to different samples that were not from Ubatuba?

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Just tweak the higgs boson and a ghost would be "solid".

that's all it would take.. it's the higgs field and the higgs boson
that is responsible for most of the mass around us.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Are you still hungry?
CERN big science phooey

a reply to: mirageman

Nope. Those are the samples.

The reason they don't lead with something more solid, and amazing --- you very well
know the reason.. but want me to say it.

There aint nothing there.

That's what it comes down to.

There's a little spooky stuff.

There's some interesting Earth Lights / Ball Lightning type stuff.

There are some interesting radar blips here and there.. but those can trigger off
both deception (Project Palladium) and natural plasma ball/EM effects in nature/weather.

There are people who see strange things... and some people get radiated.

Heck, some people have even been healed of incurable medical conditions..

but that could be something like the "Hutchinson Effect".

They have nothing.

Zero.

There is the Antenna Effect, which they and I both find valid.

But that's it.

Some people attract weird.

That's it.

and the "Weird" isn't related to "UFOs" or "aliens".

There is no UFOlogy, except the study of misidentifiation, misperception,
and psychological ops.

The remaining maybe 1-5% is spooky stuff, that can be studied in other
fields and doesn't really belong in UFOlogy at all..

I wish they would just admit that...

This isn't just me either...

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

the torment of tantalus eh?

Food and drink.. always out of reach.

Also a great episode of Stargate SG1.

I've only seen a portal once, and that was in 1981.

I think that in general, the folks who talk about portals are caught up
in disinformation/deception or are "smoking something". Tho of course
my ancestors the Siox Indians did just that to commune with "spirits".

I'm not familiar with greek hysteresis.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kevin Randle seemed unimpressed by these samples some 8 years ago.

The very first problem is that the magnesium samples that allegedly came from an exploding UFO cannot be traced to the beach in Brazil where they were recovered....

Secondly, the claims of purity have not held up to scrutiny. ... It would seem that subsequent tests have shown that the metal, while extremely pure, was not 100% pure.

Third, the samples have been handled in a fairly cavalier fashion. Once they arrived in the United States, no one had kept track of them and it could be argued that the chain of custody was broken here as well. ...

But then we come to interesting conundrum. While magnesium of a purity equivalent to the Ubatuba metal was available, and that the testing done to date, regardless of the quality of the equipment or competency of the researchers, no one has been able to identify a source of the original sample. It is unlikely that it is of extraterrestrial origin, but no one can rule that out. ....

In the end there are several samples of magnesium that seem to be unique. There is nothing in them to suggest the extraterrestrial, yet there is a hint that these samples might not have been made on Earth. This, I think, would be the classic definition of "unidentified." But even with that, it is not proof that some UFOs are from other planets in other solar systems. In the very end we are only left with questions that might have no answers.

See : The Ubatuba UFO Sample

I'd have to question why they are looking at samples that are 60 years old. Despite Bigelow, AATIP and MUFON's combined might is this all they've actually got? Or are you referring to different samples that were not from Ubatuba?

Might also be Height 611 stuff. I think this came up in another thread.

a reply to: ctj83

I suspect the materials, if there are any, are just aerospace composites.

Slag. The samples are of slag.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The incurable conditions are often immune system conditions. Introducing chronic inflammation is probably a great way to lower the immune system over response in specific areas.

Probably nothing super normal about that.

What is more interesting is the co opting of minds that are either:
- brain physically damaged
- disassociated through trauma or indoctrination
- dissociated through Kundalini like processes
- brains suffering UAP Radiation damage

You have to question how these people are located and persuaded to join the Testing...

a reply to: ctj83

As much as I talk about hypothetical supernormal, i've never pointed to
even one public incident yet, not once, and said, "that's supranormal".

Everything supranormal that I've experienced has been in my personal
life.. and those things are just misunderstood physics.

I think "the gang" is on the wrong track with what they call an "antenna".
they should talk to me about it.

After all these years, I , too have come up with very little in way of an explanation to what I have witnessed numerous times. Basically the same area as "Marley Woods" in Missouri, I have seen some crazy stuff, and seemed downright telepathic several times. Basically the same stuff described in Project Identification by Harley Rutledge, orbs imitating stars, ect.

Not really knowing anything about Mr. Valles, I did some studying and listened to what he had to say. Pretty much the same conclusion as me. That it seems to be messing with us to an extent and we just cant get a solid finger on what it is. Only experience I have to go on is my own, I'm not a researcher, but I thought it at least interesting that there is still a big question mark about all of it.

I have often wondered if Mr. Valles had ever spoken with Mr. Rutledge at any point in time. I had run across something on the internet when Mr. Rutledge had died, one of his friends had written about him. He mentioned that Mr. Rutledge had told him some things about his study that he didn't ever want repeated. I wish I could have talked with him myself.

I find it really strange we can not come up with a good explanation. My spirit is in a slight turmoil, like the situation is pressing that I get it figured out. Its just something that will be with me the rest of my life.