Can we expect a typical beautiful woman to be normal?

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Edumakated
Dream girl options...

1) Beautiful face & body
2) Intelligent
3) Porn star in sack

You can only pick two.

1 & 2. If she's intelligent, I can teach her how to be a porn star in the sack.

Not necessarily.

She could be emotionally frigid, low sex drive or have religious hangups. I believe it's possible for a girl to be beautiful, intelligent AND good in bed, but no reason to believe all people can be taught to be dynamite in the sack.

Besides, 'good in bed' is relative. I might not like what my partner does, and vise versa. Vanilla sex is boring.

a reply to: Bluntone22

If a boy grows up looking like Justin Bieber then it will probably cause him to develop some narcissism. That's similar between the sexes.

Let's face it; it's not nearly the same overall. Gender roles are an important factor as I'll explain below.

A gorgeous girl is treated better by everyone basically. A gorgeous boy gets treated a lot better than the average boy, but it's not so much better than the average boy that it's necessarily life-changing.

Here's a metaphor that explains how I see it:

If the average boy skins his knee, someone washes it off, and he's told to be more careful. The gorgeous boy gets the same treatment.

If an average-looking girl skins her knee, she gets it washed off with a bandage put on it. She also gets a warm hug.

If a gorgeous girl skins her knee, she gets it washed off with a bandage put on it with a warm hug. She also gets enough cookies and candy to make her feel all better.

Imagine that metaphorical situation being repeated for most of the gorgeous girl's life. How can that not produce narcissism and other problems?

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originally posted by: antiantonym
Most beautiful women have been beautiful their whole lives. I believe that's frequently a big problem.

Imagine what it's like to be given special treatment from almost everyone starting around kindergarten. You would expect the rationale for the special treatment to be based on unique talents or abilities. It isn't.

The rationale for the special treatment is the fact that you won the genetic lottery. You're special because you exist. And you're treated that way for most of your life. You get special treatment from adults, you have a long list of males who want to know you, and you're usually given a position at the top of social ladder just because you exist.

That has to mess with a person's mind. When almost everyone is giving you special treatment just for existing, how can that not turn into narcissism to some degree?

I don't think it's a bed of roses for beautiful women at all. I imagine it becomes kind of terrible when you can't leave your home without being hit on by men or having to feel men mentally undressing you all the time. You're also sometimes treated badly by jealous women and hateful men.

I just don't see how a person can grow up to be normal under those conditions. Based on my experience, it rarely happens.

Interesting.

There are too many ugly ducklings in their youth who seem to magically blossom when they reach adulthood rather than there are any exceptionally stunning looking children from the get go who actually even realize the magnitude of the eye candy they are to others. And the problem is, most people assume a reason why someone likes or doesn't like them. For instance, if there is something they don't like about themselves, they assume everyone else doesn't either and that is the reason they don't get to do what they want or why they aren't having fun or have friends like the friends shown on tv., and their lack of abstract thinking and how to apply it to themselves. Many child tv stars learn to manipulate using their looks, but that is learned. An act. The average kid isn't taught that type of manipulation and how it leads to adoration and a gross misuse of approval for it by the masses. Typical ugly ducklings usually aren't groomed/conditioned by adults on how to handle their appearance, they just get the basics, only their peers condition them and most children are ruthless towards each other out of the eyes and ear range of an adult. Aware adults can groom ugly ducklings and prep them with the latest and greatest clothing and hair styles and prepare them for their magical blossoming. And many do. Ugly ducklings who are prepped by an adult who then can adopt that adult's mindset and who are continually coached by them, along with cool clothing, can handle their peers expertly and become ring leaders or bs starters for those kiddie ring leaders.

Then there's the ugly ducklings who grow up to be pretty teens and young women who dress nicely and keep their hair nicely but where after looking in the mirror for a short time actually see their face morphing into various other faces. Usually demonic looking or hag creatures or burn victims or corpses. So in other words, they don't get to enjoy their beauty. Some have wondered if these are projections sent from those who are living and jealous of them for their beauty who curse them.

Then there's the pretty young woman who is viewed like some kind of unreal person by their 'keeper/mate' who treats them like a doll who has no real voice. Their keeper projects onto their prisoner like a jailer and it somehow induces a kind of sleepwalking state onto the woman. From time to time maybe she'll snap out of it and say something intelligent and the keeper feels threatened by her intelligence and fears she'll realize the state she's in, and leave, so the woman's keeper uses either demoralizing tactics to keep them fearful or depressed, or sedates them with praise and gifts.

There's just too many variables that come into play regarding the state of mind of a woman who is viewed as pretty by others and how she sees herself. If the outside environment isn't normal and she's led to live in a lie then a normal reaction to that is not being normal.

Most men do not 'hit' on good looking women. They settle. But then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And most men don't mentally undress a woman face to face in person as they don't have the capability being too wrapped up in how they are presenting themselves in front of them. As in, 'she's talking to me.' Or what do I say next?' Although they are skilled at mentally undressing a picture of one or a celebrity. But that's not live.

I don't think the average good looking woman ever realizes how good looking they are or were, until they reach 40 or 50 and are reminded with old pictures. And who knows, probably some are thinking, "wow, if I truly knew how pretty I used to be I could have ruled the world.' But think it with a chuckle. Because basically what that line of thinking is doing, is the same thing as an adult teaches a child about how to manipulate and get what they want with their looks starting at an early age, and giving them constant approval and adoration. The older woman looking back at a picture of themselves when they were young and beautiful would be that parent to themself. So it seems. Who really knows. Most parents are too wrapped up in their own lives to groom and coach their kids on how to accentuate their looks and manipulate others to their advantage for it. So most figure it out from magazines, books and shows and their peers, which unfortunately leads to immature perceptions about themselves into adulthood that they would never verbalize to anyone else but keep as a dark secret within themselves that comes out in one way or another in their professional and/or personal lives. Eventually rears it's head. Low self esteem carried over from abusive childhood peers and parents who were too busy to adequately prepare their child to deal it.

This entire thread makes me angry tho the Op had a legitimate question sort of. First question, what is normal. It is different for everyone. i was taught never to say anything good about myself. it was 50 + years before I could I was
able to admit I was attractive and according to some people beautiful. There seemed to be expectations that attractive women/men would be promiscuous just because the opportunity was there. Judged on looks rather than who they are as a person is unfair and prejudiced. Looks have nothing to do with the person inside.

I may be way off topic and am just venting. But i do believe most people want to be judged by who they are and not how they look, How can you judge just by an outward appearance?

Rant over and apologies

a reply to: antiantonym
Hey, if your born pretty, you deserve all the good things that come with. if your born not as pretty, try to make yourself pretty in life if you want and easier life.

Pretty soon genetic science will make sure everybody will have gorgeous symmetry and proportions to their beauty. What a wonderful world it will be to live in then.

i'm not sure i have any deep thoughts to offer on normalcy, but this thread does make me think how most men don't seem to realize how cultivated and deliberate what they think of as 'beauty' usually is. the make-up, hair-styling, clothing, fitness routine, mannerisms, and so on and so forth... i wonder if you factor that into your equation.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: antiantonym
Hey, if your born pretty, you deserve all the good things that come with. if your born not as pretty, try to make yourself pretty in life if you want and easier life.

Pretty soon genetic science will make sure everybody will have gorgeous symmetry and proportions to their beauty. What a wonderful world it will be to live in then.

There has never been a more true statement than beauty is in the eye of the beholder..

What a boring world you describe.


I mean no offense..

But to me beauty comes in all shapes and sizes.

It's more about what emanates from the shell than the shell itself..

Respectfully,
~meathead

originally posted by: fiverx313
i'm not sure i have any deep thoughts to offer on normalcy, but this thread does make me think how most men don't seem to realize how cultivated and deliberate what they think of as 'beauty' usually is. the make-up, hair-styling, clothing, fitness routine, mannerisms, and so on and so forth... i wonder if you factor that into your equation.

Simple answer is that they don't. At least not the potential of those things.

As somebody who's always acted the same but looks different later in life, I can say that with total honesty.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

I don't know where you grew up, but where I grew up the social ladder through high school was mostly based on looks and confidence. To be in the "in crowd" you had to be good-looking, but you had to be confident in those looks too to realize you belonged at the top of the social structure.

I suppose that was epitomized in the movie Clueless which was released when I was in high school, and the story was set in a place near where I grew up and attended high school. The movie accurately portrays that time and place. I suppose you may have had a different experience in a different place.

The point I'm trying to make is that the good-looking people were mostly aware of who and what they were by then.


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A beautiful woman doesn't need make up. She not only likes to cook gourmet, she likes to fish, shoot guns, camp, and play sports. She also sometimes initiates sex. She is capable of multiple whoopies, and makes sure her man is more then just satisfied. She then gets up to make him fresh coffee in the morning and cooks him bacon and eggs, with plenty of fresh grated hash browns on the side

a reply to: visitedbythem

You should be happy to have a woman who let's you sleep on the couch with that attitude...





Respectfully,
~meathead

a reply to: Mike Stivic
Yea, it aint the inside of the shell that gets warnings instead of tickets, extra freebies with food and drink orders, and preferential service in many establishments. That would be the shell itself. Don't blame me, thats just how humans work.

How many of us get free double portions at Chipotle and sandwich shops with a wink and a smile? Crooked teeth and oddly spaced eyes don't typically get that treatment.

The ladies have it easier getting out of fines and citations though. I tried once, it got me shoved into pavement, but I lol'ed it off after the routine unconsented search came up with nothing, like ALWAYS. #ing profilers.

a reply to: Mike Stivic

Sort of reminds me of an Uncle one bell meant get me a beer,two bells fetch my cigarettes and three for change the channel

a reply to: visitedbythem

It's amazing how beauty is defined differently by many people, and sometimes differently by the same person through out their lives.

originally posted by: Mike Stivic
a reply to: visitedbythem

You should be happy to have a woman who let's you sleep on the couch with that attitude...

Respectfully,
~meathead

You responded to a woman.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: visitedbythem

It's amazing how beauty is defined differently by many people, and sometimes differently by the same person through out their lives.

The inner beauty is what matters most. The reflection of that can keep the outer beauty in check long into the golden years. A loving heart, and a willingness to forgive the small day to day things that are hurtful, are a reflection of God in ones own life.
God is Love

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I was referring to your statement about genetic engineering..

I concede the point that conventionally attractive people have it easier generally.. why else do you think Augustus's parents paid for that nose job back in 93..



Respectfully,
~meathead

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: Mike Stivic
a reply to: visitedbythem

You should be happy to have a woman who let's you sleep on the couch with that attitude...

Respectfully,
~meathead

You responded to a woman.

My bad it's late...

Did I mention I'd like to marry her then..





Respectfully,
~meathead

a reply to: Mike Stivic
What are you kidding? No children will ever have to be bullied based on looks again. All the diversity will still be there due to racial differences. It just means that people will no longer have to worry about the bone structure of their face, where a high degree of physical beauty is judged. Plus you know, people don't really want to be born with physical defects if they had a choice, and I am certain parents would prefer it as well if they had a choice.

I mean me? Personally, I love all women as long as they smell good and their hair is clean. I was all over the spectrum, from 4'10" - 6'0" , 90 - 250 lbs and everything from creamy white to midnight black and all the shades in between before I found my soul mate. Crooked teeth are not as big a deal so much as clean teeth are.

Seriously, man or woman, how can you respect somebody if they don't even respect themselves enough to stay clean in public? If she smells like three days of sweat or has visible plaque on that grill on a daily basis, that should make most rational people pass. Same goes for dudes I would assume. Chicks don't want stinky guys that don't brush and floss.