Our Debt Doesn't Exist

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: bulwarkz


Are you going to answer my questions or are you going to continue to obsess about my edits?

I just asked you two more questions, so far you have answered zero. And because I love you...

I don't think i ever spent much time thinking about answering any of your questions. You spin circles. I do not. If that is frustrating to you. Well, you worry too much about what i might think of you and your presupposed ideals.

My soul is ready and i will be content if i die today. And because of this i am ready to get everything i want out of life and live today to its fullest. And almost none of that has to do with taxes, or money, or things. I have carried my own weight the distance and produced far beyond what i took. I am content. In fact i am fairly certain my quality of life goes up in a very sad and weird way if tshtf. Weird in that "quality" becomes subjective. If i lacked empathy like you i might like being elevated above others. But i am empathic (we naturally assume others are, our weakness) and if it happens i am looking forward to helping and sharing with those i can.

See, thats why i feel we, the producers, deserve more. We do more. Virtues like, love, compassion, charity, selflessness. They come from strife when families and communities come together in tragedy and form bonds with one another. Lol, those virtues, nobody attributes them to governments.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: bulwarkz
Go look at every legal document in your posession and explain to me the entities represented in all caps.

I played this game already, my birth certificate is not in all capitals. But nice try though.

Fake birth certificate.

But since you like high quality single-malt Scotch, we can let it slide for the holidays.

originally posted by: bulwarkz
I have carried my own weight the distance and produced far beyond what i took. I am content.

Then why were you bitching about wanting more?

See, thats why i feel we, the producers, deserve more.

That's your problem, no one deserves anything. You need to earn it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: bulwarkz
I have carried my own weight the distance and produced far beyond what i took. I am content.

Then why were you bitching about wanting more?

See, thats why i feel we, the producers, deserve more.

That's your problem, no one deserves anything. You need to earn it.

Thats my point. The goverment didn't earn it, i did. Everything with you is backwards and upside down. It's not your fault. I am appealing from ideology. Wages are the source for the need of a fungible currency. Not graft theft, usury and debt slavery so money magicians can get rich. Money is only a complicated system if you intend to use it to steal from people. Then it gets complicated and needs university degrees and think tanks, oaths and threats .

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: bulwarkz
I have carried my own weight the distance and produced far beyond what i took. I am content.

Then why were you bitching about wanting more?

See, thats why i feel we, the producers, deserve more.

That's your problem, no one deserves anything. You need to earn it.

Dude, if you had to survive tomorrow on what you can provide for yourself, will you be able to buy a cup of coffee? What can you do? Take? Is that a skillset? You keep trying to make me the topic. Your stupid questions dumb me down. What gives?

originally posted by: bulwarkz
Wages are the source for the need of a fungible currency.

We have a fungible currency. You're using words and terms without even knowing what the hell they mean.

You're all over the place; birth certficates, making up fictitious tax rates you pay, crying about wanting more and then saying you have it all, pining for things you deserve. Too many meandering non sequiturs.

originally posted by: bulwarkz
Dude, if you had to survive tomorrow on what you can provide for yourself, will you be able to buy a cup of coffee?

Huh? If I had to 'provide for myself' using your dopey analogy that means I would need to grow, harvest, roast and grind my own coffee. Who wants to waste their time doing that when I can buy a nice bag of Italian dark roast, brew that up and watch the 99% get crushed from the safety of my own home in crystal clear 4K definition. It's like being there with them but thankfully I'm not.

Your stupid questions dumb me down. What gives?

It's not my questions, it's you.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: bulwarkz
Wages are the source for the need of a fungible currency.

We have a fungible currency. You're using words and terms without even knowing what the hell they mean.

You're all over the place; birth certficates, making up fictitious tax rates you pay, crying about wanting more and then saying you have it all, pining for things you deserve. Too many meandering non sequiturs.

no, you a%rrrrrrre fungible means it has redeemable value. My days wage in a fungibleform in a currency means i can accept it in payment and everyone recognizes it for its value. Gold, silver, these are fungible. For instance, in the 1920's a silver dollar could buy almost the same amount of gasoline then, as it would today.
But that is even too extreme where to be fungible, it only needs to be universally recognized. I just need a fair value attached to my goods and services with a currency that reflects that in exchange and does not need faith and a police force to make it so.
There is the definition and comparison to fiat.

This is not hard. It has been adressed every century. The 100 year charter and the feds extension is up. Time for something fair for everyone this next go round. I highly suspect this is what is really going on behind the curtain with DJT. There is talk in the rumormill that DJT has met with Lee Wanta and allready has accessed or preparing to access the money from the Reagan-Mitterand protocols. If so, we do not need the fed and i hope we send them with their trillions in debt that is rightfully all theirs by rights and by law.

Thats what Iceland did, orheh, tried/trying.

a reply to: bulwarkz

That's not what fungible means. You have just proved Augustus point.

originally posted by: bulwarkz
fungible means it has redeemable value.

And dollars are redeemable. You can exchange them for goods and/or services as they are fungible.

Gold, silver, these are fungible.

No, dude, those are commodities and no longer used as currency. You obviously are challenged on this rather basic fact and are confusing fiat currencies with commodity currencies. Go read some stuff and come back when you can have a big person conversation with us.

I highly suspect this is what is really going on behind the curtain with DJT.

I would wager everything I own that when his Presidency is over the Federal Reserve will still be here and in the exact same capacity as it is now.

a reply to: Realtruth

you're right, it doesnt.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: bulwarkz
fungible means it has redeemable value.

And dollars are redeemable. You can exchange them for goods and/or services as they are fungible.

Gold, silver, these are fungible.

No, dude, those are commodities and no longer used as currency. You obviously are challenged on this rather basic fact and are confusing fiat currencies with commodity currencies. Go read some stuff and come back when you can have a big person conversation with us.

I highly suspect this is what is really going on behind the curtain with DJT.

I would wager everything I own that when his Presidency is over the Federal Reserve will still be here and in the exact same capacity as it is now.

nope, nope, nope. Fiat is done in faith. There is nothing about a dollar that gives it value other than faith and a gun. NOTHING it is made for payment of debt. That is it. It requires debt to exist. It is upside down. That is the direction a debt system spirals, down. It says on the bill what it is. It is an istrument for payment of debt. On a graph debt would be seen in a downward trend, where real money would have an upwards trajectory as it would rightly reflect assets. Debt is not an asset. To money magicians debt is a very useful tool to steal assets and wealth of Nations. The charter is up. The national emergency DJT just declared actually has the power to seize all assets of the fed. It is a foreign owned bank that almost most assuredly attempted to interfere with our elections. The InspectorGeneral is in charge of this corruption probe now. Jeff Sessions is about to show you what he's s been up to. First the Saudis connection here got cut off. Soros and the fed next i hope. Give all the power to print US currency back to Treasury under a restored Congress.
Maybe you are waging everything you own on this. You said it, not me.
I just know alot of people are about to lose their entire bank accounts in the blink of an eye. The really corrupt ones like the Saudi princes. For the same crimes even.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: bulwarkz

That's not what fungible means. You have just proved Augustus point.

i will stand behind the likes of Jim Willie and you stand behind augustus, mmmmk?

Even if i get the definition of the word wrong, did you understand what i am appealing to? Nope! Real vs. Fiat. Fiat is not real money. It is not real money. As a piece of paper it has no value. You are the real value behind true money. True money empowers individuals. Fiat money enslaves the individual. In every prison camp there are those that sell out their own for special favors of course. They get nice things. They are smart like that

a reply to: Realtruth

Tell that to the countries that we barrow money from........

Or we cannot keep up with the interest payments on our debt......

The democrats believe in taxing everyone to pay off the debt.

There view is to pay off a 1 trillion dollar debt you raise taxes to bring in 4 trillion and use 3 trillion for there feel good projects and waste the 1 trillion left.

That way they can raise taxes to 6 trillion the next year.

look for the "red symphony" Hitler was lucky. He did not have gold, so he did not have bad attempts to create a gold reserve. And since from the provision of paper money he had at his disposal only the enormous scientific and working potential of his people, that is, heads and hands, he took and put them in the provision of his paper money. It was so counter-revolutionary ... because he magically for one night at once eliminated the unemployment of seven million people.
K. - Thanks to rearmament.
R. - What does your rearmament really do? Hitler achieved this precisely in peacetime, despite the opposition of all the bourgeois economists who surrounded him, and he applied his system, primarily and primarily to non-military production.
Can you imagine what would happen if this system were adopted by other states as well? For example, Britain? Then you will understand that this is a counter-revolution.
And the danger is not over.
Thank God that Hitler did not apply his system from the previous theory, but experimentally, and therefore he did not have time to formulate it scientifically as a formula for imitation. This means that he did not think about his economic system, did not apply deduction, induction, that he did not formulate a complete economic theory of his economic system for others. However, there is always a danger that someone can do it for him. And this is very serious. Because such a theory can appear at any time. Therefore, we do not purposefully criticize this economic system of Hitler, so that it does not turn out that theoretical discussion will stimulate the formulation and systematization of this most effective economic doctrine.

a reply to: mangust69

It probably works fine if you are willing to go to war, or self sufficient.

How about this for an example?

Lest say Japan get its energy from China. Most of its food from the USA. Let’s say Japan borrowed money from China and the USA. Japan decides not to pay back China and the USA. What do you think is going to happen to energy and food shipments?

a reply to: neutronflux militiamen in Donetsk hoped for the creation of such a system but they control also Donetsk, and while they control finances like everything else on the planet earthmen do not have a future

originally posted by: bulwarkz

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: bulwarkz

That's not what fungible means. You have just proved Augustus point.

i will stand behind the likes of Jim Willie and you stand behind augustus, mmmmk?

Even if i get the definition of the word wrong, did you understand what i am appealing to? Nope! Real vs. Fiat. Fiat is not real money. It is not real money. As a piece of paper it has no value. You are the real value behind true money. True money empowers individuals. Fiat money enslaves the individual. In every prison camp there are those that sell out their own for special favors of course. They get nice things. They are smart like that

If you are not getting even the basic terminology correct how are we meant to give credence to you opinion.

Fiat is money. Just repeatedly saying it's not real money doesn't actually change that.

Bizarre accusations of people selling out also doesn't change anything.

originally posted by: bulwarkz
Fiat is done in faith.

Yeah? And? If you cannot redeem your dollars for goods and services let me know, I'll take them but I have a feeling you'll hang on to them.

Jeff Sessions...Give all the power to print US currency back to Treasury under a restored Congress.

You are just as ignorant as to how our government functions as you are to currency. The Attorney General cannot make Congress pass laws, they control the Treasury via the budgetary oversight, not the Executive.

I just know alot of people are about to lose their entire bank accounts in the blink of an eye.

Sure you do. You're just another online braggadocios loudmouth who likes to pump themselves up with nifty stories they invent.