The Flat Earth "conspiracy" and a glaring error by those who suppport it...

a reply to: heineken

Because that isn't real.

The sun doesnt 'revolve' in the sky around the earth. If it did, then people would always see it. It isn't only a couple thousand miles away and a tiny little ball.

It's 93million miles away and thousands of times bigger than the earth.

If you can't understand that, then you need to go to school, preferably kindergarten or reception, and learn the basics of the world around you.

Your stupidity is not my problem.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Do you realise how fast you start attacking personally instead of having a good debate with your earthling friend. This is intelligence for you?

If you think im stupid and ignorant it's fine for me...I know who I am.

Why do you find the flight video hilarious?

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: heineken

Because that isn't real.

The sun doesnt 'revolve' in the sky around the earth. If it did, then people would always see it. It isn't only a couple thousand miles away and a tiny little ball.

It's 93million miles away and thousands of times bigger than the earth.

If you can't understand that, then you need to go to school, preferably kindergarten or reception, and learn the basics of the world around you.

Your stupidity is not my problem.

so you are stating that the video is fake ?

a reply to: noonebutme

how did you arrive to the 93 million miles conclusion ? what is your evidence ?

originally posted by: heineken
how did you arrive to the 93 million miles conclusion ? what is your evidence ?

You wouldn't have heard of it - it's called science and mathematics.

I'd suggest you read THIS or THIS or any of the other numerous methods to prove it.

But you won't. You'll claim it's fake, it's a shill sight, the gov and nasa are hiding the flat earth truth from us.

Again, I can't help it if you're stupid. I do wish you the best of luck in life

originally posted by: heineken
so you are stating that the video is fake ?

I'm stating the animation trying to portray the sun moving on a flat earth is fake. Anyone who has had a basic education would know.

a reply to: heineken


Says the poster who popped up on this thread and called us all "Sheep"! That was pretty fast with the personal attacks, no?

Loving your double standards.

I think the chances of having a "good debate" with a Flat 'tard is zero.

Nobody would have faked images of Earth from 'space'.

What would anyone fake images of Earth for?

Earth''s sometimes lighter blue, or deep blue, and grayish, or a bright green.....

They cannot decide if Earth's a deep blue, or light blue, from space!!

It's deep blue, or lighter blue, not sure yet!

Taking image Earth in actual colors is nearly impossible, by comparison to perfectly executed manned moon landings!



Over miles of flat prairies, a silo is seen miles away, which is a real silo. No phantom excuses. A real silo.

Where is it actually a sphere, then? How many miles?

Knowing it's easy to measure a curvature, nobody can ever measure it, but them, and they say Earth's now proven to be a sphere...

Nobody shall even dare to suggest the Earth may not be a perfect sphere.


We should all laugh and mock anyone who dares to question the Earth's shape.

What proof is there for a spherical Earth? None.

If we were all on top of a massive ball, we'd know that we were on top of some enormous-sized ball.


What would be distinct about a perpetually sloped surface, is NOT BEING A FLAT SURFACE, ANYWHERE AT ALL.

A spherical surface doesn't hold water. All humans need water, so what holds water?

How can a sphere look completely flat, and MEASURE as completely flat, when it must measure a curvature?


It's sheer ignorance.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: heineken


Says the poster who popped up on this thread and called us all "Sheep"! That was pretty fast with the personal attacks, no?

Loving your double standards.

I think the chances of having a "good debate" with a Flat 'tard is zero.

My apologies for that

How would architects, and engineers.... deal with the curvature of almost 8 inches per mile?

No curvature is there, to ever deal with.

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: heineken
how did you arrive to the 93 million miles conclusion ? what is your evidence ?

You wouldn't have heard of it - it's called science and mathematics.

I'd suggest you read THIS or THIS or any of the other numerous methods to prove it.

But you won't. You'll claim it's fake, it's a shill sight, the gov and nasa are hiding the flat earth truth from us.

Again, I can't help it if you're stupid. I do wish you the best of luck in life

thank you for your good luck wishes..i hope it's from the heart.

Of course i will look into everything you post, im looking for truth. The problem is..correct me if im wrong..at a certain point every explanation has to involve Kepler and Copernicus's laws to get the numbers. When the very foundation of the heliocentric model is being questioned this is not helping at all.

originally posted by: heinekenThe problem is..correct me if im wrong..at a certain point every explanation has to involve Kepler and Copernicus's laws to get the numbers. When the very foundation of the heliocentric model is being questioned this is not helping at all.

Ok, that's fine. That's what science expects -- discussion, debate and disagreement. And anyone is welcome to participate in that.

BUT... you cannot bring another theory to the table that cannot be proven without empirical evidence. The Flat Earth morons have zero. None. They doubt every single photo and video from space. Why? Because they believe it's a cover up, a conspiracy.

That video you posted - it makes no sense. Why is the sun revolving our the flat earth sky but only visible to some people at a given time? How far away is it? How big is it? Lets assume it was small and only a few hundred miles up - EVERYONE would still see it if the earth was truly flat.

What about seasons? Why does the Earth have seasons if the flat earth sun revolves around the earth? How does that work?

There's too many genuine problems with the flat earth theory that have no answers that can be proven or backed up with scientific models. But the spheroid earth model can be proven. Repeatedly, successfully.

Also -- we have thousands upon thousands of videos, photos of the earth rotating on its axis, in its orbit. Plus the countless testimonies of the dozens and dozens of people who have traveled into space and seen it first hand.

Why hasn't a SINGLE astronaut ever said the earth is flat? They said plenty of other controversial things about UFOs their space agencies cringed at - why has none of them ever said the earth is actually flat?

They cannot prove a curvature on Earth, being that measuring an 8 inch difference over one mile is absolutely impossible for any of these great scientists!!!

Good one...

originally posted by: turbonium1
They cannot prove a curvature on Earth, being that measuring an 8 inch difference over one mile is absolutely impossible for any of these great scientists!!!

Good one...

I admire your persistence, but I am starting to think that you just cannot admit that you are wrong on this. And it's easily provable.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Nobody would have faked images of Earth from 'space'.

What would anyone fake images of Earth for?

Earth''s sometimes lighter blue, or deep blue, and grayish, or a bright green.....

They cannot decide if Earth's a deep blue, or light blue, from space!!

It's deep blue, or lighter blue, not sure yet!

Taking image Earth in actual colors is nearly impossible, by comparison to perfectly executed manned moon landings!



Over miles of flat prairies, a silo is seen miles away, which is a real silo. No phantom excuses. A real silo.

Where is it actually a sphere, then? How many miles?

Knowing it's easy to measure a curvature, nobody can ever measure it, but them, and they say Earth's now proven to be a sphere...

Nobody shall even dare to suggest the Earth may not be a perfect sphere.


We should all laugh and mock anyone who dares to question the Earth's shape.

What proof is there for a spherical Earth? None.

If we were all on top of a massive ball, we'd know that we were on top of some enormous-sized ball.


What would be distinct about a perpetually sloped surface, is NOT BEING A FLAT SURFACE, ANYWHERE AT ALL.

A spherical surface doesn't hold water. All humans need water, so what holds water?

How can a sphere look completely flat, and MEASURE as completely flat, when it must measure a curvature?


It's sheer ignorance.

I have ask many times for someone to explain to me how sun light can shine on the bottom of clouds. As of yet I have not gotten a single plausible reply. The other day I noticed the light of the setting sun reflecting from a jets contrail. I say this because I know a jet can not fly high enough to be above the sun and it had already set, passing from my view at that point. How can this be ??

Oh, by the way. A flat surface can not hold water. It has always run off the sides of my table. So, what does hold the water in the oceans ??

a reply to: noonebutme

Ty sir you made my day...mutual respect is what I am after, after all, we are discussing ours and our loved ones home.

Now I kindly ask you not to disregard my post, I am like you investing time for this.

Why is the sun revolving our the flat earth sky but only visible to some people at a given time?

The below video gives a good indication of what's may be going on. There is a big chance the Sun is not responsible for daylight it self, the Sun's main role is to generate heat. Now the Sun while circling Earth reacts with the gases / plasma and thus generates the bright daylight and all the beauty of sunrise and sunset colors. I find this making very sense, what are your thoughts about it?

What about seasons? Why does the Earth have seasons if the flat earth sun revolves around the earth? How does that work?

The Sun's circling on Earth slows down the closer it gets to the centre (north pole) and faster as it circles the outer edge.

There's too many genuine problems with the flat earth theory that have no answers that can be proven or backed up with scientific models. But the spheroid earth model can be proven. Repeatedly, successfully.

We can't expect everything to be correct right. Totally agree and this is the main reason I discuss this topic here on ATS.

Also -- we have thousands upon thousands of videos, photos of the earth rotating on its axis, in its orbit. Plus the countless testimonies of the dozens and dozens of people who have traveled into space and seen it first hand.

I was asking myself the question why the clouds move on Japan's Himawari Earth videos and not in some Nasa Earth videos. When you dig deeper you realise there is a big potential of super computer weather simulations use etc. Also most if not all Earth videos and pictures used by all space agencies are based on the NASA blue marble data.

Why hasn't a SINGLE astronaut ever said the earth is flat? They said plenty of other controversial things about UFOs their space agencies cringed at - why has none of them ever said the earth is actually flat?

I was using myself this myself not to get involved in this conspiracy until I realised that with only 24 astronauts going far enough to the the whole Earth and 200 += astronauts that made it to Earth orbit it's not that hard to be kept secret. What if a big chunk are members of the Satanic cult behind the biggest deception in human history, also if you put in some percentage that do this only for money, I think it can be done.

I hope we continue discussing this like we should, there is no need for name calling and that bs. It's not a matter of who wins here. I'm cool with both Helio and geocentric models. What I'm not cool with is being lied to and do nothing about it. So I would like to discover how much if we are being lied to and on what.

originally posted by: heineken
The below video gives a good indication of what's may be going on. There is a big chance the Sun is not responsible for daylight it self, the Sun's main role is to generate heat.

I would argue that isn't its main role and in fact it doesn't have "a role". It's an object, a thing. It just so happens that, as a byproduct of the processes that lead to its existence, it generates heat. And, I would argue for our benefit on Earth, more importantly, light and radiation.

Now the Sun while circling Earth reacts with the gases / plasma and thus generates the bright daylight and all the beauty of sunrise and sunset colors. I find this making very sense, what are your thoughts about it?

The subjective validation of colours and beauty of a sunset/sunrise are not relevant here. Yes, the colours of them are a result of the light coming from the Sun passing into and through our atmosphere. But it isn't the 'interaction' of the sun with out atmosphere that gives us daylight -- that's the result of that region of earth facing the sun at that period in time that then receives the 'light' - photons.

The Sun's circling on Earth slows down the closer it gets to the centre (north pole) and faster as it circles the outer edge.

What evidence do you have of that? And how does that work? What model of gravity works to keep a solar body circling the earth which as you say is a flat plane? That makes no sense.

We can't expect everything to be correct right. Totally agree and this is the main reason I discuss this topic here on ATS.

No, but we can expect to use proper methodologies with repeatable experiments to prove the observable phenomena -- not a single Flat earth theory does.

I hope we continue discussing this like we should, there is no need for name calling and that bs. It's not a matter of who wins here. I'm cool with both Helio and geocentric models. What I'm not cool with is being lied to and do nothing about it. So I would like to discover how much if we are being lied to and on what.

That's fair however, I'm still entitled to say that such daft theories, like the Flat Earth, and those that believe in them in the absence of evidence, are stupid. That isn't name calling. Anyone can be stupid.

To argue the earth is flat, in the 21st century, is an insult to many hundreds of people over many hundreds of years, who in some cases have sacrificed their lives in order to illuminate otherwise ignorant minds.

Killing a flat earth discussion is quite easy. Show me one of the edges that MUST exist for the Earth to be flat. If you can do that, you win, if not, you loose. To date, not ONE picture of an edge. Conclusion- Flat Earth people want to believe in something that isn't true.

I look forward to seeing one of the edges so I can feel really stoopid.

originally posted by: network dude
Killing a flat earth discussion is quite easy. Show me one of the edges that MUST exist for the Earth to be flat. If you can do that, you win, if not, you loose. To date, not ONE picture of an edge. Conclusion- Flat Earth people want to believe in something that isn't true.

I look forward to seeing one of the edges so I can feel really stoopid.

Why do you assume that there is an edge ?

ATS is a conspiracy site .

There is no measurable , detectable curve on the seas of Earth .

This is a conspiracy I tell you !!!