I am no longer walking on the path of Islam .

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Never mind religion, I don't believe anything which is unverifiable.
That includes 'spirituality' type beliefs, ghosts, souls, angels, gods, etc.
I accept some people need some sort of ethereal crutch to get through life though.

I agree, i put all unverifiable claims on equal footing. Not to say that all on verified claims are on equal footing with unverifiable claims.

I have no need for Gods, because I have no need for Gods. That is to say that I like many others and possibly including yourself, I've never ran into a situation where God was the answer or even the need to believe in a God was a suitable choice of action to get me through that situation.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Can you explain in what fashion that you believe all gods to be true?

That they did and probably still do exist . They had a function that they didn't do well and got restrictions imposed on them . That they may play a role in end times ...That they are not redeemable .

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Never mind religion, I don't believe anything which is unverifiable.
That includes 'spirituality' type beliefs, ghosts, souls, angels, gods, etc.
I accept some people need some sort of ethereal crutch to get through life though.

Lulz, until you have an encounter with the real thing, which obviously you have't.

FYI, if I was a spirit and I encountered you, I wouldn't waste my time.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

Can you explain in what fashion that you believe all gods to be true?

That they did and probably still do exist . They had a function that they didn't do well and got restrictions imposed on them . That they may play a role in end times ...That they are not redeemable .

You believe that they all existed in a literal sense? This goes a very long way to prove my earlier statement that if you can believe in something without evidence then you can literally believe in anything. You have taken that one step further and have decided to believe in everything. This is a very untenable position as it is very easy to show that most of these earlier religions were exclusive in their beliefs that their God was the only one.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Never mind religion, I don't believe anything which is unverifiable.
That includes 'spirituality' type beliefs, ghosts, souls, angels, gods, etc.
I accept some people need some sort of ethereal crutch to get through life though.

Lulz, until you have an encounter with the real thing, which obviously you have't.

FYI, if I was a spirit and I encountered you, I wouldn't waste my time.

Of course I'm open to influence if say a ghost or something floated through my wall, but I'd still want a mate with me to confirm I wasn't having some kind of psychotic episode.

Why wouldn't you waste your time on me if you were a spirit?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kapusta

I can only assume that had the knowledge been and pure it would only reflect divinity that is void of evil and perversion . Currently no religious scripture I have found is that way.

To get that 'purity' we gave to consult the spirit thru our soul.

Spirituality is different than organized religions writings or dogma.

The true essence of religion is what ? To give you the tools needed to understand spirituality ? Your soul etc.

Like I said religion is man made. Used as a control measure to misguide people. To keep them from discovering the truth. To that end scripture is misintperetmed on purpose by the controllers.

And what truth is that?

There is no ultimate all encompassing truth.

well I can get behind that. But I think it is more accurate to say that even if there is some all encompassing truth,(science, physics) that our feeble minds could never grasp it in its totality.

Thats the lie. One all be all truth doesn't exist. Just like theres no such thing as one all supreme being.

We see the beginnings of belief when all we knew was there was the earth, then the solar system, then many suns, galaxies, etc.

Each time we discover more 'truth', first we have to overcome the system of lies that barricades us from moving forward and expanding our understanding.

Then we can consider more possibilities.

But if all we have is misguided religion and ancient texts we are never going to progress, we will always be stuck in the past.

Science places these barriers on the path too.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Agree completely.
I also have never asked any woo magic or gods to help me...I've got through my life fixing problems myself.
...on a side note any omniscient and omnipotent god can go # itself if only for letting children starve to death.

a reply to: Woodcarver

You believe that they all existed in a literal sense? This goes a very long way to prove my earlier statement that if you can believe in something without evidence then you can literally believe in anything. You have taken that one step further and have decided to believe in everything. This is a very untenable position as it is very easy to show that most of these earlier religions were exclusive in their beliefs that their God was the only one.

Its not a untenable position if you understand the context .Oh and I would say that to not believe in God would open ones self up to believe any other thing . Its not like atheist have any prof that there is not a God but that any other belief is enough not to . At best if someone wants to be honest is to say they are agnostic .unconvinced either way . But to lay the claim that there is no God takes a belief and faith in that belief no matter what the doctrine of the day is .

So what did Einstein mean by spooky ?

originally posted by: TJames

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Never mind religion, I don't believe anything which is unverifiable.
That includes 'spirituality' type beliefs, ghosts, souls, angels, gods, etc.
I accept some people need some sort of ethereal crutch to get through life though.

Lulz, until you have an encounter with the real thing, which obviously you have't.

FYI, if I was a spirit and I encountered you, I wouldn't waste my time.

Of course I'm open to influence if say a ghost or something floated through my wall, but I'd still want a mate with me to confirm I wasn't having some kind of psychotic episode.

Why wouldn't you waste your time on me if you were a spirit?

Because you said...

Never mind religion, I don't believe anything which is unverifiable.
That includes 'spirituality' type beliefs, ghosts, souls, angels, gods, etc.

'Minds made up', are a waste of time. Some people wouldn't be convinced even if a spirit 'came thru the wall' ... some people reman in denial no matter how much direct evidence thru personal experience they have.

But my guess is you haven't had any direct experience. IOW, the spirit world ignores you too.

a reply to: TJames

on a side note any omniscient and omnipotent god can go # itself if only for letting children starve to death.

Right now there are kids starving in Yemen while aid is being blocked not by a God but by men . I would like to think that God will judge them for that much like He would judge a parent for not providing proper care to their kids .

Intrptr:
The first thing he (OP) should be asking is WHY he believes in a higher power at all.

Throughout my years, i've learned that the only reason most people do, is because they were told to. This usually leads to more questions and no answers. No one can prove a higher power exists, yet people still believe regardless. When a person is in a state of Utopia, chemicals flood the brain making them feel good. Part of the Human experience, but when that goes away it leaves you feeling lost. In actual fact, no one really knows why we're here on this Planet. And the likely hood of ever finding that out will never happen until we're dead.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: TJames

on a side note any omniscient and omnipotent god can go # itself if only for letting children starve to death.

Right now there are kids starving in Yemen while aid is being blocked not by a God but by men . I would like to think that God will judge them for that much like He would judge a parent for not providing proper care to their kids .

Pretty crap omniscient and omnipotent gods then.
Watching humans abusing humans, able to do something about it but just grabs the popcorn instead.

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: DAVID64

able to summon angles

Yeah, I've met religious leaders that are pretty obtuse. I avoid them by reflex.

The key is to be your own "religious leader "

Good choice in avoiding them

Which is a central Sufi Islam tenant.

a reply to: intrptr

Still you have nothing to verify anything woo though.
Nothing except personal testimony and why the # would I be swayed by assertions from an anonymous profile on a minor social media type discussion forum?
You got nothing except your own personal belief based on personal experience. Not good enough for me for obvious reasons.

a reply to: TJames

Pretty crap omniscient and omnipotent gods then. Watching humans abusing humans, able to do something about it but just grabs the popcorn instead.

I can understand you coming to that conclusion . To find a answer besides that might require the study into evil and why God would allow it to happen . You have already made that determination as being a kind of sick and twisted God who eats popcorn like you do so ...

originally posted by: Sapphire
In actual fact, no one really knows why we're here on this Planet. And the likely hood of ever finding that out will never happen until we're dead.

We don't even know what's going on here at Earth or around Earth.
We don't really know much of anything.

I really only know 3 things:
1) I exist.
2) Something not me exists.
3) That I just want to be happy, be totally myself, and share my everything with someone special to me.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

You making excuses for an entity which can do anything just grabbing the popcorn when it's alleged creation (humans) is performing horrific acts on innocents.

Your god is as bad as people who film injured people instead of helping them.
Again

originally posted by: TJames
a reply to: intrptr

Still you have nothing to verify anything woo though.
Nothing except personal testimony and why the # would I be swayed by assertions from an anonymous profile on a minor social media type discussion forum?
You got nothing except your own personal belief based on personal experience. Not good enough for me for obvious reasons.

It's not minor.
It's either upper minor or lower medium.

a reply to: muzzleflash

The simpler life is. The better.

a reply to: TJames

You making excuses for an entity which can do anything just grabbing the popcorn when it's alleged creation (humans) is performing horrific acts on innocents.

And you are making your own accusations against a being you don't believe in and have no intention of finding out if you could be wrong ...enjoy your box .