I am no longer walking on the path of Islam .

originally posted by: DAVID64

able to summon angles

Yeah, I've met religious leaders that are pretty obtuse. I avoid them by reflex.

Years later ! I just noticed that was a typo and I see what you did their.


Lool gave me a good laugh 🤣

a reply to: Kapusta

I was going to make a bacon joke but it appears you are sincere.

Religion is nothing more than a vehicle to transport faith. In my opinion.

Good luck in your spiritual journey.

a reply to: Kapusta

Religion can be quite confusing as a whole .Heck even if we break it down into groups and the differences of those groups and to go even further to just two people . Studying religious text only adds to the differences we experience .Two people doing a word study will vary if not in the definition's surely in how they manifest that word in their walk .

Faith and hope practiced in love towards others is probably the one thing we get to experience and participate in together with each other and the Creator. Good better add best hold important keys to our growth and walk .We search for that ever illusive perfect spot in our hope .As we grow in knowledge, that picture of hope changes .So too does our faith but love does not .We just get better at it, or should .

There is no escaping good and evil in this life but there is a hope to .To me that is where Christian faith offers the more realistic scenario .Love goes on when all else fades away .best of luck on your search and journey . peace

a reply to: Kapusta

When people want to "teach" spirituality or religion...to me,it is a sort of an admittance that they have self appointed themselves as people of wisdom and knowledge.
Only a fool (or fooler) proclaims his wisdom.

People are too busy worrying about what other people believe,which speaks volumes about their own fallacies and insecurities.

As Bruce Lee said "people don't look at the star you are pointing at....they look at the finger that is pointing."

Good luck in your newest journey.

a reply to: Kapusta

Kap,
Thank you so much for sharing. Religion is very personal and sometimes it's hard to express.

We seem to follow along many of the same paths. I was raised Catholic, but grew up with many questions.

Maybe we ha e found some of the same answers, for I believe in a single entity.

I am still in search, I lean towards one God (by whatever name He may go) that we all ( because of our different cultural backgrounds) have changed into different people.

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Kapusta

Kap,
Thank you so much for sharing. Religion is very personal and sometimes it's hard to express.

We seem to follow along many of the same paths. I was raised Catholic, but grew up with many questions.

Maybe we ha e found some of the same answers, for I believe in a single entity.

I am still in search, I lean towards one God (by whatever name He may go) that we all ( because of our different cultural backgrounds) have changed into different people.

I can't help but to look at this earth . The sky , trees , oceans , mountains, people , animals , and feel nothing but love and compassion while knowing that something had to have created all that . What ever that something many be I feel the essence of it is love at the purest form .

Best of luck on your path my friend .

a reply to: Kapusta

Greetings-

You might find some comfort in the poetry by Hafiz. He wrote about the hypocrisy of organized religion™

Enjoy this poem:

Would You Think It Odd?

Would you think it odd if Hafiz said,

“I am in love with every church
And mosque
And temple
And any kind of shrine
Because I know it is there
That people say the different names
Of the One God.”

Would you tell your friends
I was a bit strange if I admitted
I am indeed in love with every mind
And heart and body.

O I am sincerely
Plumb crazy
About your every thought and yearning
And limb
Because, my dear,
I know
That it is through these
That you search for Him.

namaste
Stay Hydrated...

a reply to: Kapusta



Although I am a Christian, I feel bad for you. The answer you received to the "hard questions" is have faith. That is all we can do, no matter what your religion. I hope you reconcile this within yourself. We are only promised today, no regrets. Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Whatever, have faith!

a reply to: Kapusta

The title of your thread is enough for me. Anyway, it takes a courageous truth seeker of God to do what you did and write what you wrote.

You probably upset people but you made God happy, just for your determination to reach him.

God is in your head, much as conscience. It's from within, in your mind, in your vision, in your hearing, in your internal dialog, in your external dialog. You can be blind and still have vision.

You display it in your actions, your behavior, what comes out of your mouth. It is a state of being, a mindset. And utmost, the dwelling of the Holy Spirit, the essence of what God is. We are His children, and the apple don't fall far from the tree. Thus we are imbued with His love and quest for excellence, that which is pleasing to Him.


The Path never ends.

a reply to: Kapusta

Can´t you get rid of religion all at once??!!

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Kapusta

Sorry to read of your struggle , as a non believer in any religion I don't understand the need to follow but I know people of religion who also feel the same need , hope you find the path that is right for you.

I think enlightenment comes from within , be true to yourself.

Your best crutch is your own self belief. Any other is a false sense of security. Be secure in yourself!

a reply to: Martin75

Religion is very personal

I agree.
Everybody walks their own path.
I won't tell others how to do it and they shouldn't tell me how to do it.

Many things are subjective and about interpretation,art,music etc etc etc
I can't tell someone how to interpret something and they can't tell me how to interpret something.
Its kind of like asking someone to go pee for you...it doesn't work that way.

Its a personal thing.
We learn from our experiences...and we don't all have the same experiences.

Good thread ..

Why do you need a religion to explain it to you? They are all lies and faith based.

I think all the religions are BS , but I believe in god.

Religion is like Santa Clause there to scare and control us. You better watch out you better not pout, or you will go to hell.

Why would god in all his glory need us to worship him? Isnt vanity a sin?

Whatever truth you come up with in your own mind is as true as any man written scriptures.

a reply to: Kapusta

All paths are allowed by god. Pick one a month if you want to.

Go check out the thread "Lifting the Veil" if you want a collection of information based on ancient truths. You will find the answers much more satisfying and also one's that make perfect sense, compared to the twisted and bastardized religions.

If you decide to check out that thread, be aware that a lot of the info is also from posters and not just the origional OP, which is of course also very interesting and enlightening. It is a long read but I think somewhere, on one of those pages, you will find something you might like.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Kapusta

Ironically, I can understand where you're coming from. I've said numerous times that I'm a Muslim strictly because of my personal experiences, mainly with Shaytan, God, and the unexplainable. In other words, it was never the scriptures, things attributed to Prophets, or even my own parents that made me a Muslim.

Just like with Christianity and what we now call "Judaism", I think that far too many man-made and Shaytan-inspired teachings have crept into various rulings, interpretations, and texts. So I tried to get to the bottom of it by cross referencing from various religious scriptures (Didache, Samaritan Pentateuch, various Hadith, etc). My crude conclusion was that there was good in all of them, but people had overcomplicated them and added all kinds of unnecessary things to the core teachings. I've also informally debated Muslims from various denominations and schools of thought (including my Dad who's an Imam), but I realized that I'm simply walking a different path.

Don't get me wrong. I'm still a Muslim 1000%. But I've never been a Sunni, Shiite, Salafi, Nation of Islam, Five Percenter, etc. I'm not even really a Quranist. I've always considered myself a Muslim in the same way that many Prophets became Muslims, meaning that it was seemingly supernatural events that forced my hand (not that I'm complaining about that lol). The teachings of Islam were simply meant to help us be good people, treat God's creations kindly (including other humans), and navigate both the natural world & the world of men that's influenced by Shaytan. The other stuff is just food for thought.

In other words, I believe that our actions are far more important than how many rulings we've memorized, what style of clothing we wear, what our bloodline is (which shouldn't matter anyway), or other superficial things like that. What good is it to debate the way parents acted 1,000 years ago while ignoring the needs of our own youths today? The Israelites were supposedly an oppressed minority in Kemet/Ancient Egypt, yet people today praise the Israelites and the lessons of Pharaoh's fall all while oppressing the minorities in their own countries. It's like they don't see the contradiction.

I guess my "Islam" can be summarized as "Ask God for guidance, follow that guidance when He gives it, and apply those concepts to real life. We can't claim to respect God and then turn around and destroy or oppress His creations". I'm only bound by the Qur'an, and even then there are a few things I'm iffy about (which may be my own flaw but meh).

I don't know if you've noticed but I often take up for atheists, the LGBT community, and people from other religions (as long as they're not doing wrong). I do that simply because I believe that oppression is against the true teachings of Islam & I believe that all people should be given the freedom to choose their paths in life. I have zero problems taking a stand on what I believe in, regardless of the religious affiliation of the other people involved.

If you still believe in God, regardless of what you call Him, then just ask Him directly for answers. I've seen it with my own eyes that He listens to everyone, regardless of our languages, locations, and proclaimed beliefs. Of course, that doesn't mean you'll get the answers you want to hear lol. Either way, I'll just end this with the same thing I tell my nephew: "don't worry too much about the details; just be a good man and you'll be fine".

Much peace on your journey, brother.

We have evolved to a dangerous but exciting point in time in my opinion. Not knowing is ok! I believe in something more but don't know. Jesus was an awesome human if not the messiah. If he was, I hope he understands my doubt comes from man and what we have witnessed with religion. The same can be said of all major religions.
Can you imagine trying to prove a virgin birth today! Nobody would buy the story told in the New Testament unless they witnessed the star and the angels, and EVEN then you would have the psyop and blue beam crowd screaming from the hilltops.
Keep searching and be a good human. Enjoy life.

PS- you sound a lot like the Life of Pi movie. Lol

Your mistake, if I may be so bold, was in thinking you could find a man to hand you the way in both Christianity and Islam.

All you life you say you've been seeing glimpses, but you've never tried to walk off on your own. Always, you've relied on others to step off for you and hold your hand.

At some point, you have to seek and find by yourself.

No man, not even the most Holy, can show you what you're seeking. We all find it in our own ways.

You have to seek God. No one can show Him to you.

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Kapusta

I can only assume that had the knowledge been and pure it would only reflect divinity that is void of evil and perversion . Currently no religious scripture I have found is that way.

To get that 'purity' we gave to consult the spirit thru our soul.

Spirituality is different than organized religions writings or dogma.

The true essence of religion is what ? To give you the tools needed to understand spirituality ? Your soul etc.

These tools are differnt depending on what religion you are . Some tools say meditate , some tools say pray on Sunday's, some tools say pray 5 times a day and so forth .

The other part of that essence is using these "tools" to gain a connection between you and "the creator " be it . Buddah , be it Shiva . Be it Allah. Etc.

Some people can't consult the spirit without these tools while others can .

Thus some people need organized religion. I know I needed it at thoes points in my life and I have now gained a decent understanding of spirituality but I know their is more to learn .

I see religions as "architectural structures" in my mind. Each one has a gate or entry way, and within that structure are the definitions, rules, history and doctrines, the dogmas, the crumbling "forgotten" parts and the "modern additions" within it, and even the rooms of sects. Each (or most) will tell you that if you leave their walls you are no longer safe and that beyond lies a world of chaos, evil, darkness, ignorance and sin, not to mention eternal consequences.

Even so, it is possible to find God within each structure, because they each contain within them a hidden pathway, a staircase of light that may lead you to the Source of All Being and the knowledge of the Pattern and Energy that binds all things, IS all things and is yet, paradoxically, Unchanged in the midst of all change.

The one thing they all have in common, religions that is, is that they were born of the Numinous: when the Hidden reveals itself, new civilizations are born out of that energy. And yet, as they say, Source is closer than your life vein. It is not the walls or structures of religion that bring The Holy to us, but the awareness that the Holy has always been and will always be right there, a Mystery within. Look where you will, seek where you will, knock on all the doors, but when it finally opens, as Rumi says, you will have been knocking from the inside...

Or perhaps I am wrong, though it does not feel wrong to me. I certainly mean no offense to anyone or their beliefs, nor am I trying to preach from the mountaintop here. I am constantly discovering and learning and coming to new awareness myself, so whatever "wisdom" or lack thereof that may be in my words, I am simply sharing where I'm at and how I see things. Nothing more.

One idea that plays into my thinking from science is the concept of the holographic universe, a theory that is gaining more traction. Another is "fractals" and "frequencies." Reality, I think, is "layered" within the hologram, with frequencies that might as well be different worlds. Geometry has harmony and encodes energy as does sound - the essence of the new path you are on, or at least the bare bones of it. Consciousness exists as energy - neuroscience is starting to see that we create light in our brains... and now I'm just rambling.

There is so much to learn and we live on such a narrow bandwidth of All That Is. The Infinite is a hard thing to wrap a finite brain around in the best of circumstances.

Peace.

To the Journey...