Scientist Finds UK Water Companies use 'Magic' to Find Leaks

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: SouthernForkway26

I have dowsed for water before and it 100% worked.

So, a 0% failure rate.
That's impressive.

Try it phage.. !
You never know..

a reply to: purplemer

I live on an island.
Water everywhere.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: purplemer

I live on an island.
Water everywhere.

I live in a toilet (especially when I am on ATS!)... water everywhere...

« Makes mental note to fix that leak that Mrs Lags has been nagging me about for the past 20 years... »

Warmest

Lags

a reply to: Bluesma

It does. Don't ask me how, but it does.

When I was a kid playing in the backyard of our, then, new house... I used a couple of pieces of old wire, and was playin' around with them. They moved from straight in front of me, like I'd seen on TV, an episode of Bonanza, I think..., to cross my chest.

Turns out there was an old water pipe that crossed the back yard that lead to where an old warehouse had been years before. Dad dug it up, repaired it, and we had the water for the garden, right there in the garden.

It's worked for me on a couple of other occasions, too. I've no idea how it works, but it sure as heck seems to.

a reply to: gortex

I put this in the same realm as shamanism

we dont know how shamanic rituals work per say but they do acheive results in that they divine the locations of animal herds, good crop seasons etc and have worked for more than 3000 + years

if doing something repeatedly gives the same results then that is basically a science experiment to confirm the results
shaman all over earth do the same rituals , beat the drums , chant the chants and they get into the same state of consciousness
where they can see visually and feel the other side and they achieve good things

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: rickymouse

The cloud seeders will tell you it works real good...sign this here contract and you're all set. Once you put your money down.


Don't know about those energy pulses though. Is that how dowsing works?

here is about the energy pulses. www.jitbm.com...

There are companies that do that, they do have some good results from what I read.

Seeding clouds is proven to work but there are limitations to when it can work. The right conditions need to be in place, it does not work if they are not.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: rickymouse


Still like to see the science behind it, the evidence

Not interested in UFO stories and your opinion on scientific funding and my wallet, just evidence

If you have some, I would like to see it...

www.nature.com...

Another one, read down a little on this one to the pizioelectric field one. www.physicsforums.com...

This is a good one. blog.hasslberger.com...

Here is one on use of divining rods in identifying cracks in rock tomwilliamson.co...

If you look in the right direction you can find research on this kind of stuff.

One report said it was fake, another anyone and everyone can do it and the other

THE DOWSING REACTION ORIGINATES FROM PIEZOELECTRIC EFFECT IN BONE
Was one of many reasons they think it works, but no evidence offered

"Science has made very promising progress on the "easy problem" (Chalmers, 1996) - the working out of the neural mechanisms of behavior and physiological correlates of mental states. However, despite thousands of years of philosophy and over a hundred years of hard science, the "difficult problem" - the issue of how first-person experience, and the raw feels of awareness can accompany the physical processes of neurobiology - remains intractable."

Reference www.physicsforums.com...


So say what you want, its not so easily wrapped up for me as it is for you

If you read the conclusion, the guy says there is something there and that the methods of testing whether they are real is flawed. Read the whole report, not just the part you want to see.

I used to be a nonbeliever, thinking it was pseudo science. Until I saw it work consistantly and had the resources to research the physics of it. There are limitations on how this can be used, it does not sense water, it senses ions generated by moving water or bleeding of ions created by the electromagnetic field of buried minerals. It does not always work, it depends on soil conditions too, the conduction has to be there to bring the ions to the surface. It is only as accurate as the testers Ms. Dig used to use to find water lines and electric cables. They use simple technology to do this, most of the older sensors did not have batteries. A gas line cannot be detected unless they put a charge on the companion wire, it is a very low charge. Plastic lines they use do not conduct a charge. That wire is by your meter on the house. It is only a one and a half volt to three volt signal they use for that.

I have called Miss Dig a half a dozen time and talked to the people that come to identify the location and of course, being a toolaholic, I asked about their tools they use. Most people do not ask questions of these people, they actually are very happy to teach people about how things work most times, they are paid by the hour.

a reply to: gortex
Couple of observations...
I watched my grandfather successfully dowse for water using a forked stick. Mind you, my grandmother sniffed and remarked that he could have dug anywhere there and found water.
I have had a couple of seasoned archaeologists state that they have seen dowsing used to find graves. Nobody wants to go on the record, though...just like with George McMullen...but I digress.
I also watched a dowser 'find' an number of unmarked graves in an old county jail courtyard. Barring GPR or excavation, no proof as of yet.
Just my 2 cents (cdn)

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: purplemer

I live on an island.
Water everywhere.

I live on an island too :-)

a reply to: rickymouse

This with my uncle was in the 1960's. I have no idea if his methods worked, but as a kid at the time it was fascinating to me. His was a metal rod, no idea of the composition and it had a clear container on the end he'd put an ounce of placer in from one of his mines.

I know he used it in Alaska and came back with about a half million in gold and remember this was in the 1960's, so for him it paid off. He immediately blew the money on another mine in Utah and I remember hearing my aunt rant about it. As a kid I was more interested in the huge Kodiak bear rug on his garage wall. I think he's one of the reasons I ended up moving to Alaska many years later. Him and his tales.

I have no idea if there is any validity to any of this, but I do know he had unusual luck with finding gold. No metal detectors around then, just his strange rod. I'm unsure what the rest of it was made of. It worked for him somehow.

He used it to teach me about the little pockets of black sand in the washes in Southern Utah, by passing it over them where it seems to bend. He showed me on one pocket of the black sand, filled a bucket with it and told me to practice panning and I'd find an ounce of gold of my own in the bucket. I did.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: rickymouse

No one has ever demonstrated this "power" under proper test conditions. It's magical thinking with a heavy dose of confirmation bias.

It absolutely works. When running fiber to a new building, I was surprised when the tech from a large company used this method to find pipes. He found them all, mapped them out.. he was right. There is science behind it mind.. but it does work. We ran fiber after the survey.. and went smoothly, because all of the pipes and lines the guy found were exactly where he said they were. Don't dismiss something solely because you don't understand it.

He even let us try it.. didn't get it down in the scant minutes I had, but it was awesome to see from a large company, someone using this technique to accurately find things that could affect running fiber to our building.

a reply to: fluff007
Fluff, be careful of what you wish for. IN about 1700AD, some French Authorities did adopt dowsing in criminal cases. It turned into a disaster, when innocents were executed. So mainstream science refuses to acknowledge dowsing and this is a good thing. We who do dowse, work in the shadows, out of the mainstream. Some clowns can block dowsers, without even realizing it. But if they don't know someone is dowsing, then it's a level table.

a reply to: gortex

They have dousers here to find the best places to dig wells. Highly respected. Usually old men. My dad swears by it and has tried to teach me. I don't have the touch I guess.

a reply to: sapien82

Sapien; check my earlier post here. People can block dowsers, and some of the other magical venues. And then you get into the universal law of Karma. Bad things come back three fold. Only one in 500 dowsers can peel bark, right out of the box. But the old hands call us doers, not dowsers. I did peel the bark off of a freshly cut willow twig, and my teacher cussed me out for it. "If he had handed me a dry twig, it would have taken the hide off of my palms". And circulation problems in your legs are the bane of old dowsers. USGS maps are printed in different plants, one color at a time. So Metskers and Big Sky maps work a lot better. But all in all, you're going to work up to about 70% accuracy, maximum.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: rickymouse


Still like to see the science behind it, the evidence

Not interested in UFO stories and your opinion on scientific funding and my wallet, just evidence

If you have some, I would like to see it...

www.nature.com...

Another one, read down a little on this one to the pizioelectric field one. www.physicsforums.com...

This is a good one. blog.hasslberger.com...

Here is one on use of divining rods in identifying cracks in rock tomwilliamson.co...

If you look in the right direction you can find research on this kind of stuff.

One report said it was fake, another anyone and everyone can do it and the other

THE DOWSING REACTION ORIGINATES FROM PIEZOELECTRIC EFFECT IN BONE
Was one of many reasons they think it works, but no evidence offered

"Science has made very promising progress on the "easy problem" (Chalmers, 1996) - the working out of the neural mechanisms of behavior and physiological correlates of mental states. However, despite thousands of years of philosophy and over a hundred years of hard science, the "difficult problem" - the issue of how first-person experience, and the raw feels of awareness can accompany the physical processes of neurobiology - remains intractable."

Reference www.physicsforums.com...


So say what you want, its not so easily wrapped up for me as it is for you

If you read the conclusion, the guy says there is something there and that the methods of testing whether they are real is flawed. Read the whole report, not just the part you want to see.

Why
We know there is something there. Thats obvious
There is no science that tests it, explains it
I dont have to read a whole report, I can read the conclusion.

Science cant and doesnt explain it.

If you have scientific evidence, please post away, if you dont, dont call dowsing scientificaly justifiable

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: rickymouse

This with my uncle was in the 1960's. I have no idea if his methods worked, but as a kid at the time it was fascinating to me. His was a metal rod, no idea of the composition and it had a clear container on the end he'd put an ounce of placer in from one of his mines.

I know he used it in Alaska and came back with about a half million in gold and remember this was in the 1960's, so for him it paid off. He immediately blew the money on another mine in Utah and I remember hearing my aunt rant about it. As a kid I was more interested in the huge Kodiak bear rug on his garage wall. I think he's one of the reasons I ended up moving to Alaska many years later. Him and his tales.

I have no idea if there is any validity to any of this, but I do know he had unusual luck with finding gold. No metal detectors around then, just his strange rod. I'm unsure what the rest of it was made of. It worked for him somehow.

He used it to teach me about the little pockets of black sand in the washes in Southern Utah, by passing it over them where it seems to bend. He showed me on one pocket of the black sand, filled a bucket with it and told me to practice panning and I'd find an ounce of gold of my own in the bucket. I did.

That is interesting, could the crystalized sand around the gold for a million years have a special frequency charge that was formed by the gold that was near it? Could it actually be attracted to gold. I haven't a clue. It is an interest idea to investigate for someone with a lot of time. If Your uncle found a lot of gold, it is possible it somehow does work.

There are only a few types of plants that can grow within the magnetic bubble created by gold. If you know what those plants are, you may be able to increase your gold finds. There is a name for that magnetic bubble, crossing it actually is how a metal detector finds metals. The frequency of that field varies between metals so a discriminator is used to help detect the metal you want.

a reply to: gortex

Nice thread. Heard this on radio 4 today. We just think we understand all the laws of oysics. Which we obvously don't. Such as this and anti gravity etc

Thought I would post my experience with using two rods. I would have to say without a doubt it does work. About 20 or so years ago A friend and I did some maintenance work for his father. He was the manager of a lot mobile home court and apartments. One day we was helping find a water main that long since been buried by dirt gravel etc. He went inside and grabbed metal coat hangers and sanded the coating off of them and bent them to the right length. Not sure what length it is, but his father said it was important to sand the coating off too. I imagine it was for good grounding with your hands. Somehow it works with your bodies field? Sure enough we found it. Large 2-3 inch brass capped main. The rest of the pipe was old iron pipes, but could tell where it ended. I also, remember vaguely that they crossed or "Y'd" outwards coming towards other people. Some years later this same topic came up and someone had told me that it crossed with men and Y'd for women. Not sure if it is true or not. It would be interesting to test it with pregnant women to see how accurate it was.

a reply to: rickymouse

No idea if it worked or how. He did hit it big a couple of times then lost it all on other mining operations. In the end he sold a patent for a dredge he designed and retired on that. Long while ago. He'd be 110 or so were he still around.

People do seem to get results with these witching rods, so I keep my mind open. I do agree that there must be some science behind it.