Sheriff's warning to 'F--- TRUMP' truck owner draws outrage on Facebook

a reply to: RazorV66


LOL...

Totally triggered. You can't hide it. It's obvious! (Sticks wet finger in your ear).

And the sticker is hilarious, even more-so that it triggered law-enforcement. I bet they would have been just fine w/ it if it had been against anyone but Ronald Rump (that's his name right, RIGHT?). lol.

And before you (or anyone) gives the "ohhhh a liberal" response, I'm far from one.

Think outside the box for once.

a reply to: roadgravel

I'll say what I said on Facebook when I first saw this story:

I don't know what's more snowflakey, the person putting that on their truck, or the people who have called the sheriff's office over it.

In the grand scheme of life, who cares.

I wonder if she'll get fired by her employer over this...

a reply to: roadgravel

F this sheriff. If I were in his town I would buy as many "F Trump" stickers as possible and put them all over his cop cars.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: roadgravel

F this sheriff. If I were in his town I would buy as many "F Trump" stickers as possible and put them all over his cop cars.

That would be vandalism.

But you could get one made that says "F Sheriff Troy E. Nehls" and put it on your own vehicle.

a reply to: justme2

The sheriff didn't get triggered, he's probably tired of his office receiving phone calls over this obscene truck.

According to law, it is in violation.

According to the job inherent in the name "Law Enforcement," it's the sheriff's job to enforce the law. He just writes the ticket, he doesn't prosecute.

a reply to: Liquesence

Its a crime if they catch you. This is America. We have great role models. LOL

a reply to: SlapMonkey

It's a real tough call as to which is more stupid.

The bumper sticker, or the ones offended by it so much that they called the cops... Really, people? Are we that sensitive?

Kinda sad, really.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

According to law, it is in violation.

Says who, or what law?

Officers have pulled her over but failed to find a reason for writing a ticket.

So they go with "disorderly conduct?"

Nehls wrote on Facebook that a county prosecutor had agreed to accept disorderly conduct charges — an opinion that District Attorney John Healey disputes,

See also Cohen v. California.

Protected speech.

They can just bust the person for something else, over and over. Till the profanity is gone on the truck. That is the way it has been done for a long time. Profanity is not considered included in freedom of speech.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Profanity is not considered included in freedom of speech.

Yes, it is.

But it's not absolute.

I don't know what country this sheriff thinks he's in. But a F Trump bumper sticker is covered under the first amendment.

This sheriff should be fired for persecution and violation of civil rights. Should probably be fined, and the victim should sue the hell out of that department.

originally posted by: Liquesence
Says who, or what law?

Let's go with Texas Statute Title 9, Chapter 42, §42.01(a)(2), since that was cited by the Sheriff:

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

I go with this one because it would be easy to persuade a judge or jury to agree that the main motivation behind putting this on a vehicle is to anger individual Trump voters and start drama while they're driving around in public.

Officers have pulled her over but failed to find a reason for writing a ticket.

So they go with "disorderly conduct?"

Then officers apparently aren't trying hard enough...or don't really care.

See also Cohen v. California.

Protected speech.

From your own source:

Absent a more particularized and compelling reason for its actions, the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense.

"F*ck the Draft" is not the same as saying (paraphrased), "F*ck you, Trump voters." What is on this truck is absolutely "a more particularized and compelling reason" to cite someone under the above law.

I don't think that your Cohen case applies here, but it's a nice try, I'll give you that.

ETA: I'm done debating this, though...it's a worthless issue in the grand scheme of life.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: SlapMonkey

It's a real tough call as to which is more stupid.

The bumper sticker, or the ones offended by it so much that they called the cops... Really, people? Are we that sensitive?

Kinda sad, really.

Or us...secondhanding it for...

a reply to: SlapMonkey

"F*ck the Draft" is not the same as saying (paraphrased), "F*ck you, Trump voters."

I really don't think it matter what it says.

The reality is that if you want to be stupid enough to drive around with a message like that on your car, you should expect some kind of trouble for it. But not legal trouble.

There are political troglodytes everywhere who think this sort of BS is worth going to blows over, however that is beyond the realm of reasonableness that is required by law. Anyone who attacks this person as a result of whatever may be written is the criminal here, not the person who wrote whatever offended the attacker.

It is therefore not reasonable to say that the words written and displayed fall outside the scope of protected speech if the person who wrote those words or displays those words is not engaging in criminal activity.

originally posted by: roadgravel

A sheriff in Texas is looking for a truck bearing a profanity-laced anti-Trump sticker and said authorities are considering charging its owner with disorderly conduct — a threat that immediately raised alarm among free speech advocates.

Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy E. Nehls posted a photo of the truck Wednesday on Facebook after, he said, he’d received several complaints about the display from unhappy people in the Houston-area county.

A graphic on the rear window of the GMC Sierra reads: “F‑‑K TRUMP AND F‑‑K YOU FOR VOTING FOR HIM.” (The profanity is spelled out on the sticker.)

“If you know who owns this truck or it is yours, I would like to discuss it with you,” the sheriff wrote. “Our Prosecutor has informed us she would accept Disorderly Conduct charges regarding it, but I feel we could come to an agreement regarding a modification.”

The Houston Chronicle said the truck’s owners have no plans to remove the custom graphic, which they ordered after Trump’s election.

“It’s not to cause hate or animosity,” Karen Fonseca told the Chronicle. “It’s just our freedom of speech and we’re exercising it.”

Link

Seems the idea of charging the owner with disorderly conduct has been drop. The Sheriff sounded as if Trump topic stickers have been a source of road rage.

In a twist, the woman who often drives the truck worked Nehls in the county jail at one time.

I'm sure "what about the children" will come up. (most already learned that in the school yard or at home I imagine)

I never understood the need to censur those words, but iam also from europe
What about the children? well, some reseachers believe that children that swears, becomes better at language than children who doesnt, it is part of the language. In my country we believe that it is up to the parents (and school) to teach the children when to use it, and when not to. Censuring it only draws more attention to it, me and my friends always laugh when we see or hear it, or when someone using there middlefinger, gets blurred out, just stupid if you ask me. it is better to teach children about it, instead of just pretending it doesnt exist, and leave it to other children to teach each other those words.

F‑‑K TRUMP AND F‑‑K YOU FOR VOTING FOR HIM. could actually be mistaken for a threat, but then again, according to this guy, f--k could mean just about anything

WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE - DONT WATCH IF YOU EARS FALL OF WHEN HEARING PROFANITY

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Let's go with Texas Statute Title 9, Chapter 42, §42.01(a)(2), since that was cited by the Sheriff:

SCOTUS supersedes Texas Statute.

From your own source:

Yup, which says, and which you yourself quoted:

the State may not, consistently with the First and Fourteenth Amendments, make the simple public display of this single four-letter expletive a criminal offense.

"F*ck the Draft" is not the same as saying (paraphrased), "F*ck you, Trump voters."

It's the same as saying "F*ck Trump." The sticker also says "F*ck you for voting for him."

That's political speech and therefore protected.

a reply to: roadgravel

Some people have no regard for civility and the rights of others not to be offended. This very basic ME philosophy is exactly what is wrong with the world today.

a reply to: roadgravel

Dunno...using profanities in public is something I've seen people ticketed for in the past.

I flipped off an undercover cop once because he was driving in reverse down a one way street and almost hit me while i was test driving a car. He chased me down for half a mile before i pulled over. That ticket cost me $80

originally posted by: projectvxn
I don't know what country this sheriff thinks he's in. But a F Trump bumper sticker is covered under the first amendment.

This sheriff should be fired for persecution and violation of civil rights. Should probably be fined, and the victim should sue the hell out of that department.

wow you better call youre sherif and ask him to do something about it. Both you, and the people calling the sheriff and asking him to do something about that sticker, needs to take a chill pill

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I flipped off an undercover cop once because he was driving in reverse down a one way street and almost hit me while i was test driving a car. He chased me down for half a mile before i pulled over. That ticket cost me $80

What year?

Too bad you didn't fight it. That's also protected expression, especially regarding law enforcement.

Swartz v. Insogna