catalonian parliament declares independence from Spain

a reply to: Ohanka

Charges are being brought against the Catalonian leadership for rebelllion. Their parliament has been disbanded. New elections have been called.

What more do you want from Spain?

More freedom is always better. Good for the Catalonians!

This is both a blue print and a live model with all the succesful strategies and misteps laid out for any state here in the US or any colonial territory that wants independence.

a reply to: Xcathdra

]Charges are being brought against the Catalonian leadership for rebelllion. Their parliament has been disbanded. New elections have been called.

Thats what dictatorships do.

Their colors are showing.

No wonder Catalonia wants Out.

a reply to: intrptr

Dictators have the judicial branch file charges under existing law?
They make the effort to disband a political entity for acting outside the established law?
They call for new elections for the very people who claim they want independence?

Sounds a lot like Crimea so maybe you are right.

Oh wait.. Spain didnt invade a sovereign nation and hold elections while they under occupation.

Maybe at this next election a majority of the people affected will vote instead of allowing a vocal minority run the agenda thats not supported by the majority.

a reply to: Xcathdra

They call for new elections for the very people who claim they want independence?

They already voted. Disbanding parliament isn't going to change those results nor the outcome of the referendum. Neither will jackboots, clubs, or mass arrests.

a reply to: intrptr

No - they held an illegal referendum where the majority of the affected population did not vote. They did not vote because the election was illegal.

Just like in Crimea.

The 90% bs is derived from the people who voted and not from the entire voting population. A majority of people in the region do not want to leave Spain.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Ohanka

Charges are being brought against the Catalonian leadership for rebelllion. Their parliament has been disbanded. New elections have been called.

So what will Madrid do when the new elections return the very same people to power? Or more likely, make the pro-independence faction even larger? At some point, they're going to have to abandon the pretense that they're representing the will of the Catalonian people.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Hard to vote when the police are attacking people in the streets and sabotaging the poll stations.

a reply to: intrptr

You must be the last Murican around or something, the authoritarian cult Of King George is strong with this thread. Some fun-facts:

The Spanish-American authorities banned the circulation of the Declaration, but it was widely transmitted and translated: by Venezuelan Manuel García de Sena, by Colombian Miguel de Pombo, by Ecuadorian Vicente Rocafuerte, and by New Englanders Richard Cleveland and William Shaler, who distributed the Declaration and the United States Constitution among creoles in Chile and Indians in Mexico in 1821.

en.wikipedia.org...

*Giggles & crickets*

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Mt guess would be Spanish law wont allow people to run the region from inside a prison cell.

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: Xcathdra

Hard to vote when the police are attacking people in the streets and sabotaging the poll stations.

Hard to claim the vote is valid when its done illegally and the majority of the population didnt support it.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

What does reprinting and circulating our declaration have to do with Spain?

a reply to: Xcathdra

I've yet to see a country other than South Sudan, Former Soviet State or the European decolonisation of Africa that did not unilaterally declare independence which was seen as illegal by the previous state.

Britain didn't take too kindly to the declaration of Independence as i'm sure you're aware.

Funny that Kosovo gets recognised despite illegally declaring it's independence unilaterally yet not Catalonia.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Did the American people "vote" or their independence from England?

*crickets* indeed

Independence is earned, it is fought for, it is paid for. It doesn't come from the end of a pen.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: yuppa

Except that many people didn't want to get a beating just for heading to the polls. Maybe, eventually. Who would've thunkt! Nice spin though, lets just deny the fact that another police state went full blown berserk again. Well. Played.

Well said.

You mean well TYPED

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Did the American people "vote" or their independence from England?

*crickets* indeed

Independence is earned, it is fought for, it is paid for. It doesn't come from the end of a pen.

They voted with lead,and bullets. If catalonia wants to be free they should do th esame.
ANd If independence dont come from a pen then th e"palestinians" should just give up righ tnow.

originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: yuppa

Except in the USA. Muh popular vote

We have a different election system. No comparison. the Pop vote is MINORITY because it does not represent ALL states due to population. 3 states do not a majority make. Yall had no issue with it till this election so spare me.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Did the American people "vote" or their independence from England?

*crickets* indeed

Independence is earned, it is fought for, it is paid for. It doesn't come from the end of a pen.

They voted with lead,and bullets. If catalonia wants to be free they should do th esame.
ANd If independence dont come from a pen then th e"palestinians" should just give up righ tnow.

You must've missed a lot of modern history.

Particularly the Palestinian people's decades-long war of resistance against their occupiers.

originally posted by: OhankaBritain didn't take too kindly to the declaration of Independence as i'm sure you're aware.

The UK has said it does not recognise the independence declaration because "It is based on a vote that was declared illegal by the Spanish courts. We continue to want to see the rule of law upheld, the Spanish constitution respected..." If the vote was legal then the result would have been respected.

Funny that Kosovo gets recognised despite illegally declaring it's independence unilaterally yet not Catalonia.

Comparing Kosovo with Catalonia is comparing two different things.

Spain Dissolves Catalonia's Parliament After It Declares Independence