Clinton and DNC Paid For Research That Led To Russian Dossier

originally posted by: Grambler
Here is a wall street journal article outlining the bombshells that may be yet to come, including getting fusion gps records, legal looks into the end not disclosing payments to them, just how the fb I and Obama admin used the dossier, and much more.

www.wsj.com...

How cute. You think they will be bombshells and not disappointments.

a reply to: DJW001

Only thoses with high hopes about Mueller investigation will be disapointed.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Grambler
Here is a wall street journal article outlining the bombshells that may be yet to come, including getting fusion gps records, legal looks into the end not disclosing payments to them, just how the fb I and Obama admin used the dossier, and much more.

www.wsj.com...

How cute. You think they will be bombshells and not disappointments.

The title of the WSJ article is

"The Coming Russia Bombshells"
It's THEY who think there will be bombshells. It has nothing to do with what Grambler 'thinks'.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Except for the fact the dossier has been debunked several times now.

No it hasn't. It's stood up to two legal inquiries and several Trump aides were forced to resign and declare themselves as Rusian agents as a result of the dossiers revelations. Others including Trump and his son have been forced to change stories (i.e attempts to buy intel from kremlin sources which they'd previously publicly claimed were discussions about child adoption).

The only claim in it that seems untrue is the sex tape claim, which seems like a deliberate smear that both Republican and Democrats jeopardised national security and the integrity of elections in desperate pursuit for negative campaign material. While not illegal in this case, there should be laws to prevent such ridiculous election strategies.

Have you even read the report? Its main claim is an offer to Trump the market value of 19.5% of Rosneft shares! So this report claims he was offered 12 billion to remove sanctions. Now do you really believe Putin would give away even 12 billion to have sanctions lifted,when at the time it looked unlikely Trump would win? But lets looka bit deeper to pay Trump 12billion when russia only has 15billion in itsrainy day fund is just laughable.

But supposedly Trump turns this down but later Micheal Cohen comes back offers to pay for russian hackers and helps conceal them supposedly he made illicit payments to shut up and move the hackers to Bulgaria. But heres the problem this meeting was supposed to be held in Prague in August of 2016 with Cohen accompanied by three colleagues. The meetings took place in the offices of a Russian quasi-state organization, Rossotrudnichestvo. Problem is hes never been to Prague and has an alibi he was working at his law firm.

Theres other huge problems with this but the main parts are just insane, and im goingto be psychic here watch we are goingto find out Steeledidnt write this report but passed it on from an FSB agent. Why would i say this read it it was not written by an englishman but reads more like someone who english was a second language.

a reply to: dragonridr

Absolutely it was written by Russian intelligence. The question is "why?" Also, who was it intended to harm? It is clear why the DNC never deployed it; much of it looks ridiculous on the surface. On the other hand, much of it seems plausible. In investigating the dossier, closets on both sides stand to disgorge their skeletons.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Except for the fact the dossier has been debunked several times now.

No it hasn't. It's stood up to two legal inquiries and several Trump aides were forced to resign and declare themselves as Rusian agents as a result of the dossiers revelations. Others including Trump and his son have been forced to change stories (i.e attempts to buy intel from kremlin sources which they'd previously publicly claimed were discussions about child adoption).

The only claim in it that seems untrue is the sex tape claim, which seems like a deliberate smear that both Republican and Democrats jeopardised national security and the integrity of elections in desperate pursuit for negative campaign material. While not illegal in this case, there should be laws to prevent such ridiculous election strategies.

Have you even read the report? Its main claim is an offer to Trump the market value of 19.5% of Rosneft shares! So this report claims he was offered 12 billion to remove sanctions. Now do you really believe Putin would give away even 12 billion to have sanctions lifted,when at the time it looked unlikely Trump would win? But lets looka bit deeper to pay Trump 12billion when russia only has 15billion in itsrainy day fund is just laughable.

But supposedly Trump turns this down but later Micheal Cohen comes back offers to pay for russian hackers and helps conceal them supposedly he made illicit payments to shut up and move the hackers to Bulgaria. But heres the problem this meeting was supposed to be held in Prague in August of 2016 with Cohen accompanied by three colleagues. The meetings took place in the offices of a Russian quasi-state organization, Rossotrudnichestvo. Problem is hes never been to Prague and has an alibi he was working at his law firm.

Theres other huge problems with this but the main parts are just insane, and im goingto be psychic here watch we are goingto find out Steeledidnt write this report but passed it on from an FSB agent. Why would i say this read it it was not written by an englishman but reads more like someone who english was a second language.

Yes I have. Actually the claim he never went to Prague is false. He spoke in depth to WSJ about his visit to Prague in 2001 several years ago. The Trump admin claims he never left the US in the time of AUgust 2016 are also false as he was on holiday in Italy at the time.

The meetings took place between mythical Russian entity 'Russian American Chamber of Commerce' which does not actually exist and no records are held on any organisation bearing such a name. It's website links back to a non-existant property on Wall Street. The same tactics were used in the Cold War, only difference being it was named American Trade Chamber. UK and US intel sources have openly stated it was used by Russia as a method of intel gathering and geo-politics and are on record stating “The chamber of commerce institutions are the visible part of the agent network . . . Russia has spent huge amounts of money on this.”.

The accused publicly denied the claims they were spies before boarding the next available flights back to Russia after the FBI investigated them. Trump admits he made hundreds of millions of dollars in property deals via Cohen and said Russian agents to ABC News in 2008 shortly after that deal took place. A copy of the now deleted admission is also available on the Chamber of Commerce website using archive page searches.

The claims have stood up to investigation by at least five US intel agencies, the UK, court systems and six years of scrutiny in the public sphere.

a reply to: bastion

Give it up man. Even Steele has admitted he didn't actually speak to any sources and had to pay sources of sources to get information. When you say 'stood up to investigation' can you please provide the evidence of each of the claims?
Let's start with your proof that Trump's lawyer was in Prague at the alleged meeting... and go from there.

a reply to: UKTruth

So in your opinion, it is impossible to enter Italy on one passport and then travel through the Schengen countries under an assumed name, possibly using Israeli or simply counterfeit passports where necessary?

a reply to: DJW001

Did he enter Italy or any other Schengen country over that period or, did he happened to be in California ?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

Did he enter Italy or any other Schengen country over that period or, did he happened to be in California ?

There is no proof he was in California; there is evidence he was in Italy.

a reply to: DJW001

Show us ... it would be so funny that you end up with a libel lawsuit.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

Show us ... it would be so funny that you end up with a libel lawsuit.

Libel? Isn't that just a polite word for censorship?

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: bastion

Give it up man. Even Steele has admitted he didn't actually speak to any sources and had to pay sources of sources to get information. When you say 'stood up to investigation' can you please provide the evidence of each of the claims?
Let's start with your proof that Trump's lawyer was in Prague at the alleged meeting... and go from there.

He wasn't in Prague for such meetings, they took place in New Jersey, Georgia and Azerbaijan.

There's decent write ups on how the claims have been verified here:
www.bbc.co.uk...
www.theguardian.com...
ig.ft.com...
www.ft.com...
www.independent.co.uk...
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Despite lengthy investigations in UK courts, intel, CIA, NSA and FBI they still take the claims very seriously and their conclusions and subsequent investigations have corroborated the report. It agreed with the intel they held at the start and as time has gone on, the evidence in favour or the reports claims has got stronger.

Where does Steele claim he didn't speak to sources? That would directly contradict the dossiers claims, the claims of several US intel agencies and committees.

The Manafort affair is just one example of claims made by Mr Steele which have subsequently proved to be true. According to memos sent to Mr Simpson among Mr Steele’s informants were Source A, “a senior Russian foreign ministry figure”; Source B, “a former top intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin”; Source D “is a close associate of Mr Trump who had organised and managed his recent trips to Moscow”; and Source E "an ethnic Russian” and “close associate of … Donald Trump”.

But some with inside knowledge of the Steele report say that one of the “sources” could be Felix Sater, a Russian whose family emigrated to New York when he was six years old. Mr Sater was jailed for stabbing a man in the face with a cocktail glass. He was also convicted of investment fraud involving the Russian mafia targeting the elderly including Holocaust survivors, but avoided a potential 20 years sentence by becoming an informer.

Mr Sater is a former business associate of Mr Trump and had accompanied him on trips to Russia. At Mr Trump’s behest he had chaperoned Donald junior and Ivanka on a Moscow visit during which he was influential enough to engineer that Ivanka got to sit on President Putin’s chair in the Kremlin.

www.independent.co.uk... e-a7970821.html



Payment for intel is the norm so doesn't reflect negatively or positively on the intel. It being in agreement with other intel agencies findings and people in the Trump admit being forced to admit they were lying and changing their stories to fit in line with the dossiers claims are pretty concrete indications of it's veracity.

a reply to: DJW001

No libel, defamation and slander are forbidden even when trying to hide yourself behind the first amendment.

So ... Any source for your claims ? Let me guess : maybe a news outlet that is itself subject of libel lawsuit for having published the Steele dossier ... ?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

Did he enter Italy or any other Schengen country over that period or, did he happened to be in California ?

Yes, he gave an interview to The Atlantic in Jan 2017 saying he vactioned in Italy and his passport stamps verify he was there in at least late July. While there's no proof such a meeting took place in Prague, there's proof such meetings took placec in Mosacow, Georgia and Azerbaijan and proof Cohen lied about never having such links or having never visited such countries by his own leaked emails and interviews he gave in the days before the dossier was leaked.

originally posted by: bastion
Despite lengthy investigations in UK courts, intel, CIA, NSA and FBI they still take the claims very seriously and their conclusions and subsequent investigations have corroborated the report. It agreed with the intel they held at the start and as time has gone on, the evidence in favour or the reports claims has got stronger.

Wrong. The CIA and NSA did not include any of the allegations in the dossier in their reports to Congress (back when the investigations first started). This indicates that they don't consider the dossier to be credible. And frankly who gives a crap what UK courts think about this.

Given that Steele's sources were active Russian government officials, many people are speculating that the whole thing was a Russian propaganda campaign, part of their efforts to sow discord in the United States. (Those efforts have been highly successful.) Steele either got suckered or, less likely, was a part of it himself.

a reply to: bastion

You havnt read the document i can seeand relying on a CNN interpretation that got several facts wrong. His meeting was supposedly “met officials from the PA [Russian presidential administration] Legal Department" or a low level prague diplomat named Oleg Solodukhin, a representative of the Russian Center of Science and Culture in Prague depending on which report you read they contradict each other. As for italy the CNN report was false he was not in italy and later it was suggested maybe it was another micheal cohen. As for him it has been confirmed by witnesses at the University of Southern California, where Cohen was attending a baseball game with his son during the supposed meeting. And it has been confirmed by BIS (Czech intelligence service ) that he has never flown in to the country. He would have to if he was in california. And BIS also stated they have no record of the meeting which they would since they track Russisn diplomats like Solodukhin.

So dont copy and paste a fake cnn report and tell me you read it try again.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: DJW001

Did he enter Italy or any other Schengen country over that period or, did he happened to be in California ?

Yes, he gave an interview to The Atlantic in Jan 2017 saying he vactioned in Italy and his passport stamps verify he was there in at least late July. While there's no proof such a meeting took place in Prague, there's proof such meetings took placec in Mosacow, Georgia and Azerbaijan and proof Cohen lied about never having such links or having never visited such countries by his own leaked emails and interviews he gave in the days before the dossier was leaked.

You seriously wrote this he was in italythe month before the meetings took place and this shows proof he was in prague? Hell i was in italyfebuary of that year maybe i met with them too. Seriously????

a reply to: bastion

Steele's court filing was effectively an attack on Fusion GPS. He felt betrayed by them.

I take it from your post that you now admit the dossier was incorrect in that there was no meeting in Prague?
There is not a single thing verified that shows any collusion between Trump (or his campaign) with Russians to tilt the election.

You are conflating reports and issues to try and cling on to a discredited dossier. Meanwhile, the story has moved on to the collusion between Hillary Clinton and the DNC with Russians and the US media to try and tilt the election. Your links provide no verification of the dossier in terms of collusion at all. Example; The BBC are 'verifying' that a person named in the dossier exists and that there is an investigation. That's not verification of any wrongdoing. /facepalm.

face it. You clung on to the dossier because it met your need to believe in something/anything that would undo the election. Those still clinging on to it are looking more foolish by the day. Even the author distanced himself from it!

Mr. Steele says the ultimate responsibility lies with BuzzFeed, the liberal news website whose editor, Ben Smith, decided to post the entire 35 pages — memos from June to December — on Jan. 10 even though Mr. Smith said he doubted the far-flung accusations were true.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: bastion
Despite lengthy investigations in UK courts, intel, CIA, NSA and FBI they still take the claims very seriously and their conclusions and subsequent investigations have corroborated the report. It agreed with the intel they held at the start and as time has gone on, the evidence in favour or the reports claims has got stronger.

Wrong. The CIA and NSA did not include any of the allegations in the dossier in their reports to Congress (back when the investigations first started). This indicates that they don't consider the dossier to be credible. And frankly who gives a crap what UK courts think about this.

Given that Steele's sources were active Russian government officials, many people are speculating that the whole thing was a Russian propaganda campaign, part of their efforts to sow discord in the United States. (Those efforts have been highly successful.) Steele either got suckered or, less likely, was a part of it himself.

You've cherry picked to omit the several months the US intel, congress and other committees, plus Republicans spent trying to get Steele to testify and the subsequent testimoney any investigations that have occured and ignored their statements on the dossier.

If he was suckered or part of it, why have many of the allegations been proven correct? Numerous aides and Trump Jr have been forced to change their story to one that matches the dossiers claims - that happened because those claims were accurate, not falsehoods or smears.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: bastion

You havnt read the document i can seeand relying on a CNN interpretation that got several facts wrong. His meeting was supposedly “met officials from the PA [Russian presidential administration] Legal Department" or a low level prague diplomat named Oleg Solodukhin, a representative of the Russian Center of Science and Culture in Prague depending on which report you read they contradict each other. As for italy the CNN report was false he was not in italy and later it was suggested maybe it was another micheal cohen. As for him it has been confirmed by witnesses at the University of Southern California, where Cohen was attending a baseball game with his son during the supposed meeting. And it has been confirmed by BIS (Czech intelligence service ) that he has never flown in to the country. He would have to if he was in california. And BIS also stated they have no record of the meeting which they would since they track Russisn diplomats like Solodukhin.

So dont copy and paste a fake cnn report and tell me you read it try again.

I've not read any CNN report about this and have no idea what you're talking about. As said previous;y Cohen gave interviews claiming he had been to Czech republic/Prague in 2001 when he spoke to the Atlantic. The source of the Italy travel is from when he showed his passport to journalists (photographs of said stamp are available from multiple credible sources). The links I posted above confirm this and are from a selection of left and right wing media.