Public school flies Christian flag alongside Old Glory

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: burdman30ott6

What’s the value of the land, improvements, cost to operate for every year the Christian Flag has flown on the property?

There’s the taxpayers money.

So the school's entire cost to the taxpayers centers around the presence of the flag? LMAO, that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Nice straw man.

Not at all, simply pointing out the ridiculousness of attempting to portray what is likely a locally donated flag as being representative of any part of the cost of a public facility. By those standards, how is providing driveway connections to churches on public streets not a violation of the Constitution?

What does anything being donated to the public schools have to do with it?
And I noticed you are avoiding my question.
I'll answer it for you. It's on school property.
Another question for you: Who are paying for the school property and it's maintenance?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

What does a flag being flown before a building mean to you Burdman?

a reply to: Gryphon66

yea

the circumstances described in the op are different

thats why the athiest group cant shutdown the club meeting

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm not pushing for a law on the issue, so Thomas Jefferson's opinion doesn't pertain to me. In further news, the display of that flag isn't compelling or forcing anyone to do anything, so again... Ol' Tommy Jeff's opinion isn't in play here.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: burdman30ott6

What does a flag being flown before a building mean to you Burdman?

Not a damn thing, really. But I acknowledge that some may get some joy out of it, and I see nothing wrong with that.

I want this flag flying at public schools that have Christian flags.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm not pushing for a law on the issue, so Thomas Jefferson's opinion doesn't pertain to me. In further news, the display of that flag isn't compelling or forcing anyone to do anything, so again... Ol' Tommy Jeff's opinion isn't in play here.

The First Amendment was based on the Virginia Statute. The Establishment Clause is what frees myself and others FROM ANY State imposition of religion.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: burdman30ott6

What does a flag being flown before a building mean to you Burdman?

Not a damn thing, really. But I acknowledge that some may get some joy out of it, and I see nothing wrong with that.

lol

So the American Flag flying in front of this or any other school means nothing to you?

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
I want this flag flying at public schools that have Christian flags.

When you're a majority, knock yourself out, chief. Until then, I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

start an activity club and go to the school board meeting

a reply to: burdman30ott6

simply pointing out the ridiculousness of attempting to portray what is likely a locally donated flag as being representative of any part of the cost of a public facility.

I agree that is a pretty weak argument against the Christian Flag being flown at a public school.

However, one could argue that in County of Allegheny v. American Civil Liberties Union, Greater Pittsburgh Chapter the secular principle of the establishment clause applies by virtue of the Christian flag promoting or endorsing a particular religion:

the Court held that the creche inside the courthouse unmistakably endorsed Christianity in violation of the Establishment Clause. By prominently displaying the words "Glory to God for the birth of Jesus Christ," the county sent a clear message that it supported and promoted Christian orthodoxy.

Additionally, in Stone v. Graham, it is equally arguable that:

The Court found that the requirement that the Ten Commandments be posted "had no secular legislative purpose" and was "plainly religious in nature."

After:

Stone and a number of other parents challenged a Kentucky state law that required the posting of a copy of the Ten Commandments in each public school classroom.

One could argue similarly regarding the Christian Flag, since the ten commandments have already been decided.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: burdman30ott6

What does a flag being flown before a building mean to you Burdman?

Not a damn thing, really. But I acknowledge that some may get some joy out of it, and I see nothing wrong with that.

lol

So the American Flag flying in front of this or any other school means nothing to you?

Not exactly what I said. I'll openly admit that, as a home schooling parent, my kids don't start their day out with the Pledge of Allegiance or anything. My lack of respect for the public school system has nothing to do with the American flag flying outside the building, however, and everything to do with the mountains of bull# that occupy the interior of the schools and their district offices. But that's a topic for a different thread, I suppose.

a reply to: Liquesence

Generally speaking, I don't have much respect for the court system... I'm not arguing the legality of the matter because, being honest, it's a pointless argument when dealing with a court that pulls rulings out of their asses to go alongside "laws" they seem to pull from the thin air under their benches. I have no doubt that either side could hand select a court that would rule the way they want this ruled on.

Well first there is the "American Exceptionalism" crowd in the US that affirms that international law and treaties are for everyone else but not the US.

Then on the US national level we have the "my kind of Christianity Exceptionalists" wherein the Law of the Land appliies to everyone except them. Kinda like "Lying for Jesus isn't a sin" sort of thing.

Oh and don't forget Presidential Exceptionalism - "If I do it it's not illegal".

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: burdman30ott6

What does a flag being flown before a building mean to you Burdman?

Not a damn thing, really. But I acknowledge that some may get some joy out of it, and I see nothing wrong with that.

lol

So the American Flag flying in front of this or any other school means nothing to you?

Not exactly what I said. I'll openly admit that, as a home schooling parent, my kids don't start their day out with the Pledge of Allegiance or anything. My lack of respect for the public school system has nothing to do with the American flag flying outside the building, however, and everything to do with the mountains of bull# that occupy the interior of the schools and their district offices. But that's a topic for a different thread, I suppose.

The precise meaning of the American flag would be for another thread. Its presence in a place of honor, outside the school building, on school property, flown during school hours, indicates that this facility is an AMERICAN facility acknowledging the authority of the US Govcernment along side the TEXAS flag acknowledging the deal citizenship of every American and Texan.

To have the Christian Flag flying in the same location by those two flags sends a clear message to everyone who sees it: this is a AMERICAN and TEXAN and CHRISTIAN facility, acknowledging the authority of the CHristian faith.

That’s quite clearly establishing CHRISTIANITY as a religion sponsored equally by the STATE, the NATION and the School Board that made this decision.

I suppose one could argue that the flag is seen as proselytizing to the students. What happens when a new student sees the flag and asks a Christian teacher about it? Would that be seen as the government preaching to the children?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I generally don't have much respect for lower courts, but I do for the Supreme Court of the US. There are only a few decisions of the ones I'm aware I have not agreed with. Regardless of the justices' political beliefs (and whether the charge of strict constitutionalists or activists), I think they do genuinely try to honor the Constitution to the best of their unbiased ability. I say this while agreeing with conservative justices on several issues.

That said, they do interpret they law.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: burdman30ott6

What does a flag being flown before a building mean to you Burdman?

Not a damn thing, really. But I acknowledge that some may get some joy out of it, and I see nothing wrong with that.

lol

So the American Flag flying in front of this or any other school means nothing to you?

Not exactly what I said. I'll openly admit that, as a home schooling parent, my kids don't start their day out with the Pledge of Allegiance or anything. My lack of respect for the public school system has nothing to do with the American flag flying outside the building, however, and everything to do with the mountains of bull# that occupy the interior of the schools and their district offices. But that's a topic for a different thread, I suppose.

Well, then why comment on a thread, that you admit, you have no personal knowledge or care about?

If I remember correctly, the Superintendent of the School Board is also the pastor of a local church in this small Texas town.

More than that, many of the students are also good Christians ... buying Christian Flags and flying them from their truck beds. The students want the Christian Flag there, as do the parents, as does the local government.

What they all want, however, is to throw the Constitution into the dirt and step on it. We don’t get to decide in LaRuey Texas or any other place which parts of the Constitution we are going to allow and which ones we’re just going to ignore because we all agree.

Let every kid carry their own Christian Flag ... on their trucks, as stickers on their Skoal cans, as custom covers for their own personal Bibles that they carry around with them. All fine and well.

The Christian Flag should NOT be flying over the school though; that is unconstitutional.

a reply to: Gryphon66

go to their school board meeting and complain