Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

originally posted by: TruthJava
a reply to: Boadicea

This isn't something that happened last year!! It JUST happened, and I remember it clearly as well as the rest of us on here!! We heard it on the scanners as it was happening live and there were several different reports of gunfire coming from different places. I heard "shots fired at (the place down the street), officer down"....

Just don't know what to make of it all. Strange.

Exactly! We did hear it -- all of us listening to scanners and all of the clips played on the news, etc. We have recorded audio to hear it again. And we have transcripts of those calls. It happened. We are now being told it didn't happen. And by the same people who cannot keep their story straight if their lives depended on it!

Something happened. The multiple survivor/eyewitness statements would not line up so closely with the police audio unless something had happened. And there are too many people with knowledge and experience claiming they heard gunfire to dismiss their claims out of hand -- and especially not just because the authorities said so. It is the DUTY of our government officials to PROVE whatever they say. It is not our duty to believe whatever they said just because they said so.

It is very strange, and their may be a good reason for it -- MAY be. But we haven't heard it.

ETA: We may still find out. The one survivor-now-deceased, Kymberley Suchomel, had been trying to organize a group of survivors on Facebook. They may have started a private group and be doing their own due diligence. If anyone thinks it was just a bunch of redneck hicks attending that concert that can't figure out any shenanigans, they may be in for a rude awakening.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Great thread Boadecia

Thank you -- and happy to see you here too!

I feel so very sorry for all the eye witnesses, those actually there on the ground who are now been accused of fabrication lying and generally being "mistaken".

And in such an oh-so-public way. After the initial horror and trauma, this is literally insult after injury.

The whole point of this ridiculous scenario by the FBI Police and MSM is to do exactly that, so people will discredit the eye witnesses and stick to the official narrative. They are in effect making these poor people conspiracy theorists!

It also occurs to me that in many of those police reports of the casino being "clear" that it may just mean they cannot find a gunman -- not necessarily that a gunman wasn't there before police arrived. What's that saying? "When you only have seconds to spare, the police are only minutes away?" The reality is that police most often arrive after the fact.

Given the many many ways truth is made criminal by the government, we have no way of knowing how many people have been forced into silence against their will and better judgment. And that does have to be included in any realistic and practical consideration. We didn't make lying standard and acceptable; THEY did.

Oh and Maroboduus...is it necessary to come into a thread spouting your opinion whilst name calling others? Calling people dumb clowns and morons...hmm critical thinking indeed

Well said.

a reply to: Boadicea

Great work on the thread. Very detailed and concise. It will take a good bit of time to digest, but thanks for all the work you put into it. Quality.

originally posted by: pale5218
a reply to: Boadicea

Another good thread Boadicea! 👏👏

Thanks for the work you did, to put this together. I know it’s not easy keeping track of all info that has been presented.

Thank you! I am so very heartened that so many appreciate it!!! So cheers for everyone!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏

(Albeit with a couple notable exceptions -- no 👏 for them!)

The saddest part to me about how hard it was to put together is that someone(s) has gone to even more trouble to make it that difficult. Others have said much the same thing when trying to track down something. That doesn't happen by accident. It happens by design.

a reply to: TorqueyThePig

I would imagine...

Given your position and experience, I understand that would have to be a consideration for you. And I understand that too. But imagining isn't knowing.

But several people with similar experience and knowledge have definitively claimed that there was in fact and in deed gunfire. Not M80s, not balloons popping, not whatever... but genuine gunfire. And these multiple reports do line up with police audio. These are not the imaginings of one person with no knowledge or experience.

Now, it could be something somewhere in between. For example, that someone was playing a recording of automatic gunfire as a diversionary tactic and to terrorize people without actually assaulting their bodies -- in which case everyone could be telling the truth: The witnesses who heard that gunfire (albeit a recording) and the police who reported no injuries or gunman found.

Or the authorities could be lying to us again.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Boadicea

Great work on the thread. Very detailed and concise. It will take a good bit of time to digest, but thanks for all the work you put into it. Quality.

Thank you -- and thanks for appreciating it!

a reply to: Boadicea

As I have been saying on this whole quality thread, again thanks for the effort, show me 1 single audio clip, picture or video clip of another shooter someplace else.

The audio and immediate aftermath makes it clear that something happened at the concert and that part is irrefutable..

Show me 1 single piece of irrefutable proof for a shooter anywhere else on the strip..radio broadcasts and people making reports are not proof.

If I was the Sheriff of Clark County, I would have been absolutely furious at all these false reports of shooters, causing my forces to be diverted in this most critical of times. As soon as the shooting was over, I would have dispatched investigators to track down all these "false" reports to see who had made them, and why. Certainly the suspicion would have been that some confederate had deliberately made all these false reports, and hence would be a co-conspirator.

Of course this was not done, so the Sheriff knew something else was going on.

Seems like this is the first real "conspiracy theory" I've seen on these boards in a while. Kudos.

I'm not really into it, personally, but I agree there are curiosities about the event.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
The media and government lies to us all the time. Nothing new about that.

So why does it mater if there were other shooters?

It matters only to those who still believe the official story. They are threatened by the truth it appears.

originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: Boadicea

As I have been saying on this whole quality thread, again thanks for the effort, show me 1 single audio clip, picture or video clip of another shooter someplace else.

I totally get your point, and I appreciate that a healthy dose of skepticism is necessary and proper. But there are several problems that we would expect even if there was a gunman. For one, who's going to stick around to take pics? And for anyone injured, I wouldn't expect their first impulse would be to take pics -- they have greater concerns (as well as their companions). And, of course, we certainly wouldn't expect any dead folks to take pics, right?

Nor do we know what steps were taken to encourage and/or coerce the silence of those most affected. Were their phones taken and wiped by officials? Were the injured offered free medical care if they kept their mouth shut? Were the witnesses told it was a matter of national security and they needed the cover of silence to investigate and bring the perps to justice? Or to save lives? Was a gag order issued under the guise of national security? There could be a jillion reason why folks with the hard evidence would consider it the greater part of valor to maintain silence. For example, even with all my blustering here, if I were in that position and I were told that speaking could put someone else in danger, you bet I'd keep my mouth shut because I sure wouldn't want to put officers or agents or whatever in danger. I still wouldn't approve of calling people liars and deluded and whatever... I would much prefer that the authorities would say that the reports could not be confirmed than to have the reports labeled false.

But more to the point of your questioning, I cannot show you proof of a gunman, but I can provide evidence, such as the video of the shattered front glass doors at the Bellagio. Was it by gunfire as claimed? I don't know. But the doors are shattered and the glass was everywhere. And that was described by multiple witnesses. There are also pics and videos of ambulances at casinos all over the Strip -- evidence of injuries all up and down the Strip. Were the injuries caused by gunfire? Trampling in the panic? I don't know.

There is also this very intriguing clip at the Tropicana:

According to some posters on this board, there were also shooters at two more locations:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
"Reports of shots in the Hakkasan Nightclub. Second shooter said to be on the run in the crowd? "

"They just said shots fired at Harrahs? "

"Some officers heading towards Harrahs now. "

I found another video that shows how little the facts were reported by the MSM.
View of Hooters from the MGM Grand showing dozens of ambulances bringing out multiple patients while listening to MSM coverage.
Their comments are gold.
Can't embed video due to commercials.
www.youtube.com...

Here's an NPR article trying to explain "they ran here (from the concert) and died"
www.npr.org...

I have my doubts about that.

originally posted by: starviego
According to some posters on this board, there were also shooters at two more locations:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
"Reports of shots in the Hakkasan Nightclub. Second shooter said to be on the run in the crowd? "

Oh wow -- thank you! I hadn't seen that. I've never even heard of Hakkasan.

Looking at a map, the Hakkasan Nightclub is at the intersection of Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd, between the Tropicana and MGM, just north of the concert venue where the concert-goers were running to, and in the general area of so many other reports of other gunmen.

Thank you for adding that!

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I found another video that shows how little the facts were reported by the MSM.
View of Hooters from the MGM Grand showing dozens of ambulances bringing out multiple patients while listening to MSM coverage.
Their comments are gold.
Can't embed video due to commercials.
www.youtube.com...

OMG! This is crazy. It's long, but starts with a bang. I'll keep it playing and keep listening.

Folks -- This is well worth the listen. Talks about multiple ambulances, six left already... eight still there and more still coming...

Something happened at Hooters, dude. No doubt."

Wow. Just wow.

Here's an NPR article trying to explain "they ran here (from the concert) and died"
www.npr.org...

I have my doubts about that.

As do I. Definitely. Well, the "presidentofcanada" did post a pic of a body covered with a sheet at Hooters, claiming he saw the cops shoot the guy.

Thank you, ATA -- again!

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Grrrrrr... the commercial interruptions are infuriating!!! But I'm gonna sit through it because I want to hear this... but grrrrrr!!!

a reply to: Boadicea

What about that video seems wrong given the context of the night and the chaos incorrectly being reported?

Again you are claiming that the Govt has managed to silence the proof , beyond word of mouth which is a proven fact nor reliable in large crowd chaotic situations like this, for multiple shooters other places?

Couldnt those injuries at other hospitals be from people acting chaotically? Goto a mall or a large gathering of people, slam a door then yell gun and I guarantee you someone gets hurt in the chaos that follows and windows get broken..

While I believe the OS in this case I'm willing to at least believe that something abnormal could have happened there.. That is a much different story than claiming other shooters at other locations with not a single piece of evidence showing that.

a reply to: opethPA

Fair enough... we don't know what happened. Some people do, however. They were there. They know. We do not. I am not going to call them lying liars or confused or anything else because I DON'T KNOW.

Asktheanimals just posted a video showing a HUGE first responder presence at Hooters taking multiple people to the hospital. Did they just decide to waste their medical resources on bumps and bruises? Of course not!

You're right... we have PROOF of nothing... but we have plenty of EVIDENCE of something. We can read anything we want out of it, and we can read anything we want into it. But neither of us know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Of course you can express your best guess based on your opinion of the evidence available. But that's all it is.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Do you know why there would be a HazMat vehicle? Blood? Bomb?

I don't understand that...

a reply to: Boadicea

I was in Vegas starting that Sunday through Wed and while I stayed 15 mins or so off the Strip at the RR their were rumors in the hotel that when everything was breaking even the RR was on lockdown. I can tell you that a group of us went down to the Front desk and asked if the RR was locked down and were flat out told it was not .

In the heat of the moment people see , process and report things irrationally.

Is there another video that actually shows what is taking place at the Hooters? All you can see in that video is ambulances pulled up in front of it from a distance. I have to think that if that had anything to do with the overall scenario that traffic wouldn't be passing directly in front of it and throughout the course of those ambulances being there multiple cars past East to West in front of it..

So sure..based on that video , something happened at Hooters..and yup, it could have been a shooter part of the plot but it's substantially more likely that it was either chaos being caused by people at Hooters hearing bits and pieces of what was going on or some other thing.

I get it...For the CT mind it seems perfectly plausible that multiple shooters were up and down the Strip and their is not a single picture, video or audio of any of those multiple shooters.

I dont want to hijack this thread in a debate..LIke I said..the quality of the work you did is a big reason that people should come to a place like ATS so Ill stop trying to debate the Occam side of this post =)