The Las Vegas shooting and evidence of some kind of coordination.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

If he was shooting from Rm 134 they would possibly have seen it since that window is on the same face of the building as the Foundation Room. However if you look at the hotel from Google Earth overhead view, you'll see that his suite (135) has windows that face northeast as well as east.

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The photo in this article gives the best illustration I've seen for this. It shows both the broken windows and the balcony of the Foundation Room where they were standing. It's clear from the way the guy turns to his left when the shooting starts that he's instinctively turned toward the sound. But they couldn't discern the source of the shots.

a reply to: 0x6372756d6273

Thank you very much! You're really good at this. Your explanation and visuals are very clear, and I appreciate it. Now when folks talk about this stuff I'll actually understand at least some of it.

Thank you again

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Um ok...ugh I hate proving my point, but I do love calling someone out...and no offense MotherMayEye serious though as I am editing this as I sound a bit hostile, I am not trying to be. Believe me I get being tired from this ordeal...

Also, the hotel doesn't curve. It has three straight arms. The Foundation Room is only in the center portion, at the very top. There is nothing at the top in the 'arms.'

This shows the curve

Maybe this?

I dunno how about here?

Or this?


Now do I need to point out what floors you can see? Or would you rather use some logic and count them from all the pics you posted. OH and while you are counting, count 2 floors below as I was staying on the 30th floor................

I assure you that you cannot see the room from the Foundation Room Balcony. IF you find a pic showing the shot out glass of the no-CURVED part of the suit I will gladly recant...

Even if you could see the 32nd Floor (Which you can't as you cannot get that close to the edge of the Balcony from the Foundation room). If the shooter was firing from the CURVED CORNER of the SUITE you wouldn't, couldn't see them from the curve...

a reply to: abeverage

Ah, I misunderstood which area you were referring to.

I thought you meant the 'arm' portion leading to the first broken window was curved so it couldn't be seen from the Foundation Room balcony.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: abeverage

Ah, I misunderstood which area you were referring to.

I thought you meant the 'arm' portion leading to the first broken window was curved so it couldn't be seen from the Foundation Room balcony.

No worries
I will concede I am not 100% sure you cannot see the 32nd floor from the Observation deck of the Foundation room.

I am 95% or fairly sure you cannot, but that was not the only window knocked out. I think you can see down to floor 35 from that vantage point.

I assume this is another *dancing light* popping up from behind the tents and into the air, during the gunfire, also explained by destabilization lens artifacts.







Original here

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Well whatever that is, the video sure shows no flashes coming from the 32nd floor !!

But lots of "shots" heard.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Yes, that is another internal reflection from the bright light directly in front of the camera. You can set the video speed in YouTube to 0.25, and see at 0:02 seconds when the man with the red hat ducks down, he is no longer blocking the bright light, and that is precisely when the "dancing light" becomes visible.

Another possibility..

The Foundation Room vids pan over to an area Southeast of the Stage.

There's a 2-story building there.

500 feet from the area in front of the stage where lots of people got shot.



Street View

a reply to: xuenchen



Distractions everywhere, and nothing to be seen on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay.

There is a video of people in the crowd pointing in the general direction of the Mandalay Bay and one guy even gives the middle finger to the Mandalay Bay-ish area.

And yet the person filming only films them and not whatever they were pointing at/flipping off.

a reply to: 0x6372756d6273

Oh, wow. You are on it, Ox.

So impressed! Brilliant lens artifacts coming flying up from behind tents...never to be seen again in the 1 min. video.

Good job. Did you sign up just to debunk the October Fools Day CT threads?

Here's a possible answer to whether or not the SkyVue pillars have a way up.

Could be.

Clearly there's openings at the ground level.



street view

there's also possible openings at high levels.

a reply to: abeverage

Possible views from the Foundation Room...

google images

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Can't speak for Ox but I do appreciate people who know more than me about digital cameras and how they work. I spoke at length this afternoon with a guy who does video editing for tv. He's been looking at these videos and his opinion is the same as Ox....stabilization programs make for some strange things.

If you have a better explanation please share it with us. But please stop with the bashing of people who have more knowledge and experience with the subject.

Maybe it is time to step away a bit and get some perspective? You seem to be near to be being obsessed with "dancing lights." According to the people I've spoken with, you can find these "dancing" lights in any video made at night....just go to youtube and check out videos shot at night in brightly lit areas. I'm honestly not trying to be snarky or mean to you, just think your original idea of taking a break from this subject might be a really good idea. Come back to it with a fresher mind and eye.

a reply to: diggindirt

Cool story about your friend, DID. Please provide a name and contact info so I can get more info on what you guys spoke about! I am anxious to hear all about your convo!

Also, there are bright lights throughout that video. None that cause that particular effect. Some are even brighter. Some of the brightest lights (the row across the top of the stage) cause a row of reflections that match with the camera's movement and are offset much lower. There are even brighter lights in that one minute video, though, and none cause that *effect.*


ETA: Also, you seem equally obsessed with this shooting. So much so you are talking with *experts* IRL. Thanks for your heartfelt advice. I am sure it came from a good place.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Here's a possible answer to whether or not the SkyVue pillars have a way up.

Could be.

Clearly there's openings at the ground level.

street view

there's also possible openings at high levels.

I don't think there would be doors if you couldn't travel up in those towers. I mean, where would you go once you were inside if not up?

I have been looking at this video a lot now.

To begin With i thought this maybe was someone who was messing arround With a Lazor pen. Do to the speed this Object was moving arround at.

It for sure is not a spotter. The light would be way to Visual for that. A spotter will not use something that can give him away. That would be way to unprofessional. A spotter dont spot With a light. They use a Scope.

It is not a hit dot either. Because of were this Object moves to different locations. To the streets. The sand dunes by the pillars and even way up town. These hit dots are not that powerfull.

But i did notice that at one point there were actually two of these Objects. Both of them can be seen at 02:16-17 just by the long dual tents to the right, by gate 1.

I have no idea what this is.

But when i watched this video and fallowed this object as it was going all over the back stage. I could see at least one muzzleflash from back stage. You can see it in this video that she made at 00:10-11.

a reply to: spy66

I can see a few suspicious flashes, here and there. Perhaps even on top of the stage and within the crowd.

Regardless of any possible innocent explanations...I personally would never discourage anyone from questioning them. I'll leave that to the a-holes and shiIIs.

a reply to: xuenchen

I remember reading in the larger post someone said that the stairs had been removed for safety reasons

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport


Those were the scaffolding stairs on the outside of the towers though, IIRC.

Construction ceased in 2013 (scaffolding was removed last year for safety reasons)

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