Tom DeLonge Anouncement: October 11th 9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: zetaReticulous

Obviously you hear his answers and he was a pilot during one of the incidents. So watch it and listen to the testimony.

Why are you speaking to me like I haven't already done so? I've watched all the videos, read the pilot reports. The guy whos testimony you pointed out was the pilot on the NIMITZ video, which is not the video thats being looked at by Mick West at Metabunk.

a reply to: BullwinkleKicksButt

Awesome, thanks!!!
For people with too little time: Important details starting at 9 minutes.

originally posted by: zetaReticulous

originally posted by: thepixelpusher
a reply to: zetaReticulous

Obviously you hear his answers and he was a pilot during one of the incidents. So watch it and listen to the testimony.

Why are you speaking to me like I haven't already done so? I've watched all the videos, read the pilot reports. The guy whos testimony you pointed out was the pilot on the NIMITZ video, which is not the video thats being looked at by Mick West at Metabunk.

Hand to God you just can't repeat this enough!
People are cross talking about two separate incidents like they are the same thing. They clearly aren't.
Don't give up the fight!

a reply to: zetaReticulous

Yes, I understands that. You were seeking testimony and I pointed out there WAS pilot testimony. Don't get confused.

a reply to: SacredLore

Notice not even one star. Hahahaha
Percentage of people investigating here is less than 1%.
Percentage of people pushing their own belief systems is greater than 99%.

a reply to: SacredLore

Thanks for the vid and the links! Stars for you!!!

a reply to: BullwinkleKicksButt

At least the thing with the stars got fixed

But even on ATS, interest is back to BREAKING thoughts like:

Is Donald Trump the son of Christ or the second coming?

Trump Supporters Believing Their Own Lies.

Who gives a flying f... about ET or technology that has the potential to change the course of history when you can play the cute leftie vs. rightie game?

BTW: One of the very interesting ideas that Tom DeLonge put forth is that (a part of) the UAP phenomenon is responsible for instigating conflict and war on earth. Since ages. Democrats vs Republicans. It works so well.

a reply to: Pathaka

Thanks for those links, Pathaka!!

For non-Coast to Coast subscribers, would you mind doing a short little summary of that first hour? Or maybe there isn't any new info, but if there is and you don't mind saying a few words about it, I'll give you a star and then refresh the page and give you anstar and and and......

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: SacredLore

Starting with this gun camera video as evidence is like trying to prove Bigfoot exists with a blurry 8 mm film while you have Sasquatch himself playing cards in the back room.

Thank you! Why are they giving us crap footage, do you think? You KNOW they've got some crystal clear photos and videos, what with the equipment they have on those ships; plus, this thing kept coming back over the course of a couple of weeks so they had time to set up, you know?

Someone suggested that maybe the video we are seeing is a copy of a copy of a copy....that makes sense. But also, why only give is the FLIR video? Why not give us some damn daytime photos or videos?

If I really think about that, it's ridiculous. WHY wouldn't they want us seeing clear footage?

Also, why hasn't To the Stars given us the chain of custody for that video? Remember that was one of his promises; he said it more than once.

Any ideas, folks?

a reply to: SacredLore

Interest and agreement are not necessarily the same thing. Its pretty clear there is actually quite a bit of interest on this topic, just not much agreement and like pretty much any topic anywhere, everyone thinks they are right.

You seem pretty enamored with DeLonge, which may color your approach on the topic just as much as someone who despises him.

Personally, I don't like DeLonge's approach at all. However, to what extent this is conscious or guided is up in the air (heh).

We will have to see where this all goes, but using this as a platform to launch an entertainment company is deeply suspect in my opinion.

Even if this is Disclosure, with a capital "D," it perpetuates the same proprietary, secretive platform that kind of started all this mess in the first place.

Now, I actually am of the opinion that technology needs to be properly introduced and integrated into society and culture, but there is a balance there and I'm not at all convinced the appropriate driving factor is establishing centralized, proprietary authority.

In that respect, I see no change or progress whatsoever. I'd even go as far as saying this paradigm puts the "authority" directly in conflict and competition with the general public and society at large.

Personally, I prefer decentralized collaboration tempered with responsibly introducing novel platforms. The problem is that that requires addressing not only the topic at hand, but the reaction of society based on culture. We have yet to really get a hold on the latter, beyond the same motivations and manipulations that have existed since, arguably, the beginnings of feudalism.

So, at best, we are looking at the start of Disclosure, however it is seemingly driven by the SSDD that turned this topic into the confusing mess it is today.

a reply to: KansasGirl

The more I think about it, the more I have the impression that this is all guided by "plausible deniability" as Grant Cameron puts it. I am convinced that there are objects of unknown origin in the air. But as you have said, both videos are not good enough to prove this beyond any shadow of a doubt. I am actually quite impressed by the debunking efforts.

Maybe they are testing the waters: How will the public react? Mass panic? Wallstreet crash? If they see these signs they would come up with a mundane explanation and that was it. But as things are going, we might see a bit more in a few months.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Yes, not much against your points. What you say - "everyone thinks they are right" - is possibly the strongest factor in human thinking.

Personally I find it amusing that this became public through somebody like Tom DeLonge. Reminds me a bit of the human characters in Dr. Who (ordinary people, anti-heroes, who suddenly find themselves deciding the fate of the entire universe).

And as it comes from the USA I have not even begun to wonder why it has a commercial side. But I agree with you, if this world were halfway sane, there would be better ways for this to evolve. But then again, in a sane world we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.

a reply to: SacredLore


Good points. The plausible deniability and/or testing-the-waters thing is really the only explanation that makes sense that I can think of right now (besides that To the Stars is bullcrapping us, which I doubt is true, with all of those experts Delonge has on his team- although they are career intelligence guys so psyop or counterintelligence IS a possibility). The thing about that is though, that I don't think they give two figs about what we the public think. Clearly the folks at the top can manipulate ANYTHING they want; stock market, news media, everything- so if some kind of panic ensued (which I think is stupid, society is pretty well past that), they could just arrange things how they wanted and contain the situation to their benefit. That's a pretty cynical view I know.

So, I'm back to why the heck the crappy footage.

originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: KansasGirl

But as you have said, both videos are not good enough to prove this beyond any shadow of a doubt. I am actually quite impressed by the debunking efforts.

Maybe they are testing the waters: How will the public react? Mass panic? Wallstreet crash? If they see these signs they would come up with a mundane explanation and that was it. But as things are going, we might see a bit more in a few months.

That's my thought as well. Thats assuming they have/can release clear photos that REALLY show this phenomena. Whether a landed craft, occupants, or just something that is at least a clear photo or video of an unknown craft, something more definitive could freak people the f out. Could be why info is slow in controlled bits

originally posted by: vlawde

originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: KansasGirl

But as you have said, both videos are not good enough to prove this beyond any shadow of a doubt. I am actually quite impressed by the debunking efforts.

Maybe they are testing the waters: How will the public react? Mass panic? Wallstreet crash? If they see these signs they would come up with a mundane explanation and that was it. But as things are going, we might see a bit more in a few months.

Whether a landed craft, occupants, or just something that is at least a clear photo or video of an unknown craft, something more definitive could freak people the f out. Could be why info is slow in controlled bits

Oh! Well yes that's a good theory! Hadn't even considered that. IF they really do think people would freak out, and IF they think they wouldn't be able to manipulate the situation of said freak out, then releasing things from blurry to gradually more clear, is a pretty darn good idea.

(But I'm cynical and really think they could and would manage a freak out to their advantag)

a reply to: KansasGirl

It's NOT crap footage. Another member in another thread about Disclosure explained it pretty well.These pilots aren't out taking YouTube videos or footage for CNN. How they film, what they film is governed by Reconnaissance and Intelligence protocols specific to their mission. These Pilots were working at the time on a military mission.
Huuuuuge difference!!

I would be surprised if they have any other types/styles of footage to be honest. To understand what we're seeing as civilians we're going to learn how the Airforce and Navy do things.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: cosmania
a reply to: Iridomyrmex

Great analysis, and I love your respectfully critical style.

Having used FLIR pods and seen the variation from pod to pod and how different manufacturers make better/worse pods, I can say that your assessment is spot on. The Gimbal video is odd. It could be a camera/pod related flare/imperfection. If the audio is correct, I would speculate that would lend more credence to it being an actual flying object, but if the aircrew was looking solely at the FLIR footage, it could be some sort of lens flare.

Regarding your statement "The rapid switching between zoom and b/w mode by the pilot could possibly indicate that he was having trouble with a fussy ATFLIR pod."

Our RIOs/WSOs were trained to use different modes in order to best identify targets. They would frequently switch between White Hot and Black Hot because often, one of those modes would make the target clearer. Also, depending on the target, zooming in/out could also help identify the target. The technique is mostly used when using the FLIR pod in air to ground engagements, since finding the right target visually is so critical. But the WSO in that video is a colleague of mine, and he's very good. I didn't always work with the best back-seaters, but I can attest that this person is smart, thorough and knows the most recent/best techniques being taught by the tactics schools.

The technique of switching back and forth in modes relies upon the school of thought that the footage is being recorded and can be reviewed by the Intel guys, frame by frame. So, the technique is to go from one mode, hold a few seconds, switch modes, hold a few seconds, zoom in, hold a few seconds, zoom out, hold a few seconds. If they were going to launch/bomb that target, the WSO would evaluate the best view from what he saw, and keep that mode through employment of the weapon. If you ever get a chance to see some bomb footage with FLIR pods, you'll see the crew ID the target, drop the weapon and guide it, usually in a zoomed in mode. At impact, you'll see them switch to a zoomed out mode, in order to capture the bomb damage assessment footage required to ensure the target is effectively neutralized.

My guess is that the WSO didn't have a clear image of the tic-tac and kept switching modes because he never could clearly see what the object was. If it was a clearly identified object, let's say a helicopter, he would have kept it in one mode longer.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Either you know something, or you don't.
If you do, you can talk about it or you can't.

If yes, then do. If no, then don't.

It's not complicated.

I was in the navy and therefore I know a lot of classified things.
I don't talk about them. At all. I don't allude to them, I don't
hint about them. Period.

As for anything else, I can and do speak freely about anything.

Enough with the man of mystery, I have secrets but can't tell you BS.

Put up, or shut up.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Could it be they are releasing the smaller shocks first and saving the best for last to lessen the shock effect.

a reply to: dan121212

That footage is nighttime FLIR footage of oil rig fire pipes. Been shown in a program where they overrlaid daytime footage of the rigs and it matches perfectly.

a reply to: Sublant

Well excuse you but thats not how this works.

One can know stuff and tell people theyre wrong to jump to the conclusion its alienz without disclosing why or going into detail. Besides any hints i give are really vague on purpose. Cause you know how military disclosure works. Its called you dont disclose. So ill keep being a man of "mystery" by saying this footage is not of alienz. You however are free to believe its alienz to your hearts content.

Also thank you for your service in the navy.