About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: dashen

Good questions... and something else I just found makes me wonder... In the diagram of the hotel room showing where weapons were found here, if I'm reading it right, there was a weapon placed in the kitchen area aiming toward the entry area. So if someone were arming that weapon in that position, he could easily shoot at anyone entering the room before they even knew he was there... and he would be out of the line of fire from anyone on the other side of the door.

I haven't seen any laptops or monitors at the windows that would indicate the gunman at the window was monitoring those cameras. Having someone right there in the little kitchen area would be perfect for taking out anyone who stormed the room.

Thoughts?

a reply to: Boadicea

Someone sent this video to me:



I just want to point out the two last gunshots (about 3:25 to 3:45).

One in Paddock's chest/abdomen...and after he falls...one in the mouth?

Now, that is just my take with my working theory. But others may have different ideas to offer.

There is also a tracer that can be seen by some (not me, I can't spot it)...possibly going towards the hotel, not away, at about the 3:28 mark.

a reply to: Boadicea

As I said when this all started they conveniently found the dead guy in the room with all the evidence.
After that I feel everything is 99% disinfo

a reply to: MotherMayEye

For what it's worth, I think this is a rare occurrence when their well thought out plans went sideways, and the FBI is desperately trying to fabricate a story that will fit after-the-fact.... hence the constantly changing stories and the evidence that doesn't fit the story... maybe it's really that simple, and that's why none of this makes sense.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: xuenchen

But on the Strip isn't everything a few blocks away?

Kind of.

The new stadium is West of Mandalay Bay a few blocks maybe 1/2 mile.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I don't think that is the way the top floors work, J&C.

Link to brochure

They don't look spacious height-wise.

I also found this, FWIW:



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ETA: If that pic is correct, then the broken windows are on the 29th floor.

a reply to: Boadicea

There is quite a lot about this case that isn't making any sense to me. The government employment is a really interesting aspect of the case, for certain.

While Paddock's motive remains unclear, authorities were putting together a more complete picture of his work history and past. Paddock worked as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, an IRS agent and in an auditing department over a 10-year period. A spokeswoman for the Office of Personnel Management told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Paddock’s employment included about two years as a mail carrier from 1976 to 1978. After that, he worked as an agent for the Internal Revenue Service for six years until 1984. And then he worked a defense auditing job for about 18 months. He graduated from college in 1977 from Cal State Northridge and also worked for a defense contractor in the late 1980s.

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Government employment, and yet he's reported as being surly and reclusive? Perhaps the neighbors weren't really neighbors, and that place was a front of sorts? Multiple homes, after all, right? How do we know which ones were real homes, and if some were used for other purposes?

I have issues with the timeline reported, as well. I recall reading something about a 200+ round firefight with police, in the hotel, yet now that data seems to be gone, and the official timelines do not report any gunfire between hi and the cops. Instead, we are told there was a security guard on the floor, who claims Paddock shot him through the door, and so he, the guard, was able to report the exact room. Room, note, not rooms. They didn't see to know about the second door - assuming an adjoining room - till after they breached the first one. Plus, the wounded guard - shot in the leg, aided in clearing other rooms on the floor. So, could someone have exited the second room, before the police entered the first? Seems quite possible! Also, if the guard - whom police don't say was armed or not, and some report unarmed - was wounded, why did Paddock not simply leave, since a wounded guard would be easy to get past? We don't know how long before the cops arrive on the floor the guard was shot, either. Seems odd that a shooter police state planned to escape would instead shoot himself, because of one wounded guard, when he had multiple rooms, and could easily have fled. The guard didn't even know what he looked like, so he could have left via the next room, claiming he was afraid of being shot. Shooting himself makes no sense at all.

Now we have a missing, high powered rifle, purchased and not located? I'd guess it wasn't in the home, either, as some weapons were?

His brother, I believe it was, claimed he wasn't a gun guy at first?

He worked for the government, but had a bank robber father, and a brother with a criminal record? Defense contracts?? What, no clearance required? Something off there. Seems that could disqualify someone. Shady financial dealings could as well. Was that all after those jobs?

The girlfriend is shady, too. She's being portrayed as a victim, by family, but she's from a place with a lot of known Islamic activity, and it's been claimed he had connections to ISIS. He's also been shown in pics wearing one of those pink "cat" hats, at some Leftist protest or another. Yet this woman was totally clueless, even though they supposedly lived together? Conveniently out of the country, too, when the shooting took place? Now we are told she was denied using his casino card for expenses, but before we were told he was using hers at the hotel?

I have even read that some records, such as valet receipts, show he could have been in the hotel days before the officially reported date of the 28'th.

Far too many questions here.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Watched it again...what is that streaming lighted smoke trail at 3:28-29? Does anyone have the ability to slow it down?

Edit add: OMG! I was just watching again hitting play and pause and there is another flash of light at the hotel tracer? at 3:12! What the heck are those trails!!!

a reply to: CynConcepts

I don't, is it in front of the hotel...to one side?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I was just watching again (see-above edit). Hitting play and pause over and over again. The light comes down into the windows! Someone please help me slow the 3:12 and 3:28 sections down!

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

As I said when this all started they conveniently found the dead guy in the room with all the evidence.
After that I feel everything is 99% disinfo

Last I heard, law enforcement is no longer accepting questions during the briefings. They merely say what they have to say and then walk off the podium.

How many days does it take to receive autopsy results? This is not the 1960's.

a reply to: Boadicea

Go read Jaws1975 for this n on ATS...


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a reply to: CynConcepts

I hate myself for not being able to see this!

I will try to download when my husband gets home and can figure out how. Then i can probably brighten and slow it down in QT.

a reply to: Boadicea

Let me get this straight, if Paddock had wanted to he could have kept killing people for an entire hour while police organized themselves in the stairwell?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Boadicea

As I said when this all started they conveniently found the dead guy in the room with all the evidence.
After that I feel everything is 99% disinfo

Last I heard, law enforcement is no longer accepting questions during the briefings. They merely say what they have to say and then walk off the podium.

How many days does it take to receive autopsy results? This is not the 1960's.

Agree! An autopsy is complete, by now.

They are just *fixing* it, in my mind, taking this long with reporting the results.

Now, when the results are finally released, I will not believe it.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Far too many questions here.

Exactly -- because we have far too little hard information! It's like we're getting just enough to address contradictions and discrepancies the public starts questioning as they come about... as if this is all being made up as they go along. A story to fit the known evidence so to speak.

Instead of addressing all your very valid points, I'll tell you my theory, which will probably answer most of them anyway... and then we can go from there...

I think Paddock was working for one of the Fed agencies -- my best guess would be ATF, then FBI. Maybe part-time, maybe freelance on an as-needed basis... but I think his personal habits of gambling and gun trading made it totally reasonable and even expected that he would be spending time in Vegas, where he could be valuable for the Feds, and already had a history with the Feds, and they took advantage of it. At some point, Paddock turned from accountant/auditor to agent.

The night of the rampage, I think the Feds had arranged for a meeting between him and some shady characters, and the cameras were to record the meeting. (For all we know, FBI agents were in those adjoining rooms.) Paddock brought all those guns for display for the "buyers" and then say, "This is what we can get; which ones do you want and how many?" Then it went sideways. The "buyers" turned out to be terrorists and ambush Paddock and do their dirty deed that they have planned out well.

My best bet is that Paddock had done business with them before. And probably from that room or another one with the same vantage point, because those are the rooms Mandalay Bay comps to their high-rollers -- and Paddock was known for making the most of those freebies. So the killers had probably the scoped the suites out in a previous meeting, and planned their attack, then set up a meeting with Paddock like so many times before, and ambushed Paddock.

And I'm not even sure it was really Paddock, but another FBI agent doing the same thing Paddock has done, in order not to blow the agent's cover -- and any other connections or deals or whatever going on, not to mention their investigation -- both what they were investigating before, and now investigating the attack. And just so that the public doesn't find out about their role in all this.

I have no doubt there were multiple shooters -- probably in the hotel suite, and very likely the hotel, and all up and down the Strip. And it had to have been planned. I don't believe for a minute that Paddock did this alone, and I doubt he did it at all. No one did this alone.

So who did do it? That's the next question!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Let me get this straight, if Paddock had wanted to he could have kept killing people for an entire hour while police organized themselves in the stairwell?

Yes.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Let me get this straight, if Paddock had wanted to he could have kept killing people for an entire hour while police organized themselves in the stairwell?

Well, yes and no. According to the official record -- so take it for what it's worth! -- the shooting stopped at 10:15, and if they had heard the shooting start again, they would have responded immediately.

a reply to: CynConcepts

The light comes down into the windows! Someone please help me slow the 3:12 and 3:28 sections down!

if your watching it a youtube video click settings, click speed, click .25. you want have sound just video.

a reply to: Boadicea

How does the insider trading fit in?