About the Vegas Killer... newest info

Oh. According to CBS the note was calculations about his aim and maximizing damage.
The note left in hotel room by Paddock

Officer Dave Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department’s K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter’s nightstand. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival. “I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd,” Newton said.

Many reports and eyewitness accounts of people saying they saw more than one shooter are being removed from websites like YouTube

An Australian man who was staying in the room next to the shooter in the Mandalay Bay has confirmed he witnessed multiple gunmen involved in the Las Vegas attack. “There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us. I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Brian Hodge told Australia’s Courier-Mail. Hodge, who was staying in room 32134, right next door to Stephen Paddock in room 32135, also provided important information when he revealed that a security guard was killed by police. “My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”

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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Campos cannot be assumed to be innocent.

Okay... that's true. I still think there are too many details left out -- details which I believe this security guard can answer -- from that three minutes between when he was reportedly shot and when he met up with police. We have no idea where he was or what he was doing in that time. So I'm trying to explore that he's part of the crime...

But where does he fit in? Since the union spoke up for him, it would seem that he is an actual security guard there. Would he be working on behalf of the recently formed union? Or helping an outside group? Maybe paid for a one-off such as providing a dozen security vests?

Would this from (Sept 13th) be pertinent somehow:

Security officers union at Mandalay Bay votes to sign 3-year contract

What about the police and investigators? Do you think they believe he's a hero (as they've said -- albeit quickly claiming they would have closed in on the gunman soon anyway)? Why would they lie about that?

According to what I read, the SPFPA confirmed Campos was the security guard who was wounded. I also read he was veteran security guard at "the resort." No specifics were given though.

I don't think the police or investigators would have to necessarily lie about anything, in that case, because if Campos was there and wounded telling his *story* to the other responders...why would they even question it?

Was a gunshot residue test conducted on his person or clothing? I haven't read anything about something like that...I read he was not armed...but how that was determined wasn't part of the reporting I read.

I just think it would be wise for anyone involved in perpetrating a FF mass-shooting to dress the part of a first responder so that no one thinks twice about seeing such a person at a shooting scene or with a weapon, etc... And dressing the part of a first responder or security would keep a perpetrator from trying to escape unseen.

AND that eyewitness account you posted earlier where someone said a person of interest wearing a security jacket was being chased...Campos was likely wearing such a jacket, too! So maybe both guys were involved?

That article you posted makes me suspicious of Campos.

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
"They killed a security guard on my floor.”

www.thedailysheeple.com...

Ah...wow.

Will have to check that out thoroughly!

a reply to: stonerwilliam

That statement seems to contradict another statement he made. Before he said when he got to his level (floor?), a woman told him of shooting and they went down and he hid in bushes outside.

edit:

The article seems to be edited. Some of what I read is missing and/or changed a bit. The man seems questionable now.

originally posted by: Boadicea
I still think there are too many details left out -- details which I believe this security guard can answer -- from that three minutes between when he was reportedly shot and when he met up with police. We have no idea where he was or what he was doing in that time. So I'm trying to explore that he's part of the crime...

Keep in mind that Adam Lanza reportedly committed the entire Sandy Hook massacre within five minutes.

So, those are three crucial minutes that need accounting for, IMO.

Also, did anyone see Campos before those three minutes allegedly began? Can it be confirmed where he was before he says he went to the room?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

If he was using that gun right there on the bipod, angled slightly upwards, perhaps he had it set up on the floor at the other end of the hall leading into the room, would that keep the bullets within that limited range? Maybe somewhere between the door knob and the floor?

Also, the doors along the corridor are recessed -- fairly deep. At least a foot -- maybe 14 or 16" even. It seems reasonable to me that the security guard could have pressed himself into one of the recesses and escaped the gunfire. And especially if the range of fire was relatively limited to the center of the hall, as it appears.

The security guard also reportedly has a key card for entering the rooms. I'm assuming a universal card, not just for the gunman's room. He could have opened a room door and entered for all we know -- either trying to escape the gunman or escape the police!

a reply to: auroraaus

Oh. According to CBS the note was calculations about his aim and maximizing damage.

I posted that earlier this afternoon also.

Do you think maybe the calculations were for the JANET tanks? I'm not sure the damage would have been near as much as hoped for, but if he was targeting the tanks -- and I believe he was -- then wouldn't those calculations be more valuable for the tanks, than for a large mass of bodies?

a reply to: Boadicea

I also assumed the key card was universal but what I have read makes it pretty hmmm...clear... that he was shot through the door rather than having entered the room.

There does appear to be some guns on *tri/bipods* (or stands) though in the photos. They are very low, too. Maybe that would explain all the bullet holes being extremely low.

I am not settled, Boadicea! I am just not ready to buy the Campos story hook, line, and sinker without a lot more info...like how he was ruled out definitively. Was he even suspected, at any point?

He should have been, IMO.

ETA: I mean he stayed to help clear the other rooms even though he was shot in the leg. It screams *I am trying really hard to look innocent and heroic* to me.

If Campos is innocent, then yay for him...but if I was a first responder or investigator, I would have insisted he be removed for medical care and questioned...not allowed to stay on the scene.

But then, people are notoriously incompetent when it comes to handling mass shootings in the U.S., IMO.

There are never answers to the questions I have.

originally posted by: sled735

originally posted by: queenofswords
Can anyone participating in this or other threads who have read and researched this event extensively, tell me if Marilou Danley or one of Paddock's brothers, or any other close relative visually identified Stephen Paddock's body? Thank you in advance.

Good question, because someone thinks he was seen at the casino on Oct. 6th.

Check this out: Is this Paddock ALIVE after the Las Vegas Shooting?

Could be.

There is an Asian woman sitting to his right that looks a bit like Marilou. I don't know what to think.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Reports say the police blew the door off to get in.

Where's the powder marks ?

And they reported using flashbangs too.

Any evidence of that ?

Keep going, you and a few others are getting a little warmer.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

You're getting warmer.

Not "Warm" yet, but closer.

a reply to: Boadicea

My apologies - so many pages and threads my head is a bit dizzy!

I'm not one for guns and ammo, but I'm not sure his multitude of automatics would have done much to any tank, unless he had some sort of grenade?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

From StonerWilliam's link above:

An Australian man who was staying in the room next to the shooter in the Mandalay Bay has confirmed he witnessed multiple gunmen involved in the Las Vegas attack. “There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us. I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Brian Hodge told Australia’s Courier-Mail. Hodge, who was staying in room 32134, right next door to Stephen Paddock in room 32135, also provided important information when he revealed that a security guard was killed by police. “My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.”

Which sources back to here:
Las Vegas shooting: Queensland eyewitness to Mandalay attack

I believe the above link is the one I posted earlier... but I'm not sure. There are more witness accounts of multiple shooters and security guards at the links.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: stonerwilliam

That statement seems to contradict another statement he made. Before he said when he got to his level (floor?), a woman told him of shooting and they went down and he hid in bushes outside.

edit:

The article seems to be edited. Some of what I read is missing and/or changed a bit. The man seems questionable now.

Or the source is questionable.

a reply to: auroraaus

No apologies necessary... I'm barely keeping up myself!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

...shot through the door rather than having entered the room...

Okay, but which side of the door? And by who? And is that why they haven't done the surgery to remove the bullet yet? Because they don't want to identify the source of that bullet yet? Now I'm wondering if he's dead or alive!

I'm officially wondering about this. I was going to focus on the multiple shooters reports next... I suppose I would have found more of these security guard reports at the same time. I should have done that first!!!

There was another door! I just remembered. Paddock had reserved the rooms adjoining his room to the south. So the main entrance to the room would have been square at the end of the corridor; the closest room door on the east side of the hall would have been the adjoining rooms; the closest door on the west side of the hall would have been the stairwell.

And there was the interior door adjoining the rooms, which the reportedly blew open also.

Is it possible the corridor hall for the adjoining rooms is also involved? I'm still trying to figure out a way with the little information we have...

originally posted by: auroraaus
Oh. According to CBS the note was calculations about his aim and maximizing damage.
The note left in hotel room by Paddock

How bizarre. Got to assume it's true till proven otherwise, though.

I'm surprised at the source, which I find a little noteworthy, but let's see how things pan out.

That data is for shooting level like at a shooting range.

shooting down at a angle like the shooter was will give you a different set of numbers.