About the Vegas Killer... newest info

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Boadicea

In the this video, filmed from what appears to be east of the towers, there appears at least one flash of light that travels from the left of the screen to the right of the screen:

Did you notice this pic of the towers used in the videos you posted?

That pic doesn't show the steel skeletal structure at the top and actually UNDERMINES the point of the theory presented.

BUT...I haven't found any pics of the towers that look like that at the top. The most recent ones I have found show the steel skeletal structures at the top -- like this video from 2016...

Screenshot:

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Why would someone presenting this theory use photos that undermine it...photos that appear (to me) to have been photoshopped to obliterate the most important part of the theory.

Controlled opposition with disinfo?

WTF?

The towers have a steel skeletal structure at the top from the pics/videos I am finding. And that explains how the lights appear to be hovering.

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I think the SkyVue Towers are a very good path to follow. And they have my attention now!

I think the difference in the pictures are a result of one being pulled from Google Earth. The tops of the towers don't show up correctly---at least not the way they do in the recent photos. I was doing double takes for a bit trying to figure out why the tops in Google Earth didn't look the same.

After watching several videos on the subject, I'm pretty much in agreement with Jason Goodman that while not impossible, it would be a highly improbable spot.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Thanks for that video from the Foundation Room. I tried to find the exact location but failed. I did find a link to it on the hotel website but there is only one image of folks standing on the balcony just to right of the lighted Mandalay Bay sign. (If you are looking at the front of the hotel.)
www.mandalaybay.com...

It seems from looking at photos this video was taken above and to the right of the shooter's room. That would explain why the guy tends to pan left when the shooting starts up again.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Boadicea

Hang on a minute.....she was left in her room for 90 minutes? As in whilst the shooting was going on? As in whilst 200 rounds were being fired down the hallway past her door? And the hotel did nothing? Not even ring rooms? Bloody hell !!

That's what she says. It doesn't specify if she was in the same wing.

I was surprised that 200 rounds in the hallway and 2000+ rounds out the window only garnered a "ruckus":

At one point, a siren went off and an alarm, followed by a ruckus in the hall, an explosion and smoke — presumably from SWAT teams entering the room of the gunman.

Did she somehow miss all the shooting but could discern the sound of a siren, alarm, a "ruckus" and then an explosion? I don't know if this is just the piss poor quality of reporting we should expect today... or if it's a piss poor acting job!

I'm with you on the idea that she wasn't in the same wing. Interesting that she got a text warning her about the shooter. But hey, she did exactly what I would have done---hid in the bathroom. Walls can slow bullets, more walls, slower bullets.

But her narrative doesn't match up with the police timeline at all does it? I thought they said they cleared the floor of guests, a project that filled the time between their arrival and the breach. I guess I need to look up the latest timeline they've released.

I still want to know how many rooms are on that wing and how many contained guests that evening. But my very old computer seems to be feeling its age so perhaps it's time to let it rest while I catch a few winks.

I think i have found Three posible shooter back stage, I have also posted this information under a different topic on ATS.

Some of you might have seen it already. But for the once who have not... will find this very interesting.

I have been trying to find the shooters like everyone else have. Since there are differnt weaponds being used the odds of there being more than one shooter i large.

First i will start With showing you where to look for the bullet that hits the ground among the spectators in the video. This one is very easy to spot. I also think the girl that runs by get hit in her left foot or leg.

Then i will show you some videos of what muzzleflashes looks like from a AR weapon With a suppressor. This is important to know because a AR weapon With a suppressor gives of hardly any muzzleflash at all, unless the weapon is basically pointing right at you. This information will help us find the shooter back stage.

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In this video we will see a bullet strike the ground on the fairground by the spectators. To see it you will have to slow the speed Down to about 0.5 and view it in fullscreen. Focus on the Three plastic cups laying on the ground, and pay attention to the one in the middle at 00:40- 42. timeline.





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In the same video we are going to look for muzzleflashes. Because there could actually be Three of them.

But first i want to give you a idea of what muzzleflashes look like from a AR weapon that have a suppressor. Because this is vital informasion you need to be able to spot them in the video.




As you can see a AR weapon With a suppressor dont give of much muzzleflash. So dont expect that it will be easy to spot this in the video. But i have taken a screenshot of what areas to focus on to spot them. I have made a circle where these muzzleflashes appear.

screenshot:


Focus your attention in the video to were i have made the circle at alomst centerstage first. Here you will spoot the first muzzleflash when the first salvo starts in the video. You will just barly see it before he turns the camera to the right. Also keep in mind that we are being flooded by lights and that makes it even harder to spot.

Then there is a pause in the shooting, but pay attention to the circle i have made to the right when the shooting starts up again. You should be able to spoot the muzzleflash from the second shooter backstage. Where i have made the circle to the left you will also see the Third shooter shooting at the same time. But to start out it is easiest to just focus on the one to the right until you know what to look for. This flash of light is also very sync With the shooting pay attention to that as well.

Here is the video again.

originally posted by: firerescue

Are they just being coy here? Why would it take weeks or months to determine cause of death if he shot himself in the head?

a reply to: diggindirt


Because it can take several weeks to run drug and tox screens to see if under influence of drugs or poisons

When a bullet is fired into the brain, the cause of death should be evident should it not? They have stated that he shot himself to death. Toxicology reports aren't integral to determining the cause of death. Death was due to the path of a bullet in the brain if we are to believe what we've been told. Poisons or drugs in the brain would certainly be an interesting side note but....a bullet causes trauma to the brain that is readily evident on physical examination of the brain.

Manner of death? Leaving that blank is interesting as it would seem that it has yet to be determined whether it is suicide or homicide. Or did I miss an announcement along those lines?

a reply to: diggindirt

I still want to know how many rooms are on that wing and how many contained guests that evening. But my very old computer seems to be feeling its age so perhaps it's time to let it rest while I catch a few winks.

I commiserate -- I'm really putting my poor computer thru its paces as well!

As for the hotel floors and guests, I have looked high and low and everywhere in between for something showing or describing the floor plans. My best guess is that there are 35 rooms in each wing on each floor, with #101 the first room upon exiting the elevator on the left, #102 on the right, until the end of the hall, with 134 as the last room before the suite at the end -- #135. At least that's the only thing that makes sense from what I do know.

I doubt we'll ever get any official information on who else was staying on that floor though. They might suspect/know that others were staying in different rooms on the same floor... we'll never know though.

a reply to: spy66

Wow. Thank you for putting that all together so well and sharing that here. I actually think I saw what you're talking about and it's absolutely chilling. I know next to nothing about this stuff, so I very much appreciate the skooling and the visuals. I think you may be right about this. It's definitely worth keeping in mind.

It also seems the security guard that came into view reacted to it -- or something -- as he looked back towards the stage. I'm looking forward to hearing what others think after watching.

Thank you again!

In my wanderings yesterday, I found a great map of the Route 91 venue at the Orange County Register:

Map: This is where the Las Vegas mass shooting happened

There is an aerial view of the south end of the strip at the Mandalay and the Venue first, but scroll down a bit for the map of the concert venue. I and others have been mostly wondering about the placement of the gates we hear mentioned in the police audio, so I'll explain that here.

There were seven entrance/exit gates total. The entrance gates are #1, #2 and #3, starting at the southwest corner of the venue with #1, and #3 at the northwest corner of the venue, and #2 is the "VIP" gate and is in between #1 and #3 on Las Vegas Blvd. The exit venues are gates #4, #5, #6 and #7, with #4 due east of #3, at the northeast corner of the venue, with #7 at the opposite end of the venue at the southeast corner of the venue.

So Gate #1 is at the corner of LV Blvd and Mandalay, #3 is at the corner of LV Blvd and Reno, #4 is at the corner of Reno and Giles, and #7 is at the corner of Giles and Mandalay.

Terrible explanation, I know. Maybe someone will be kind enough to embed the venue map in the thread

Mandalay Bay CEO Gave Money To Terror Groups, Sold ...
yournewswire.com › Newsl "


James Murren, the CEO of Mandalay Bay, dumped most of his stock in the company in the weeks before the shooting. Also, on September 12, someone was placing much larger than normal bets that the MGM stock would go down
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Saudi Arabia's Royalty own a 45% stake of the top 6 floors of Mandalay Bay ............(floors 37-43)
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in August '17, the Saudi AirForce stayed at the SLS of Las Vegas Tower instead of using any facilities offered by Mandalay Bay....
(the SLS Tower...where even publicity/attractions Images of females were removed from public viewing...)
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i speculated many days ago that ISIS forces were wrapped-up in this Attack, and since then, there has been NO News that tends to exonerate them from launching the Concert Attack & the 'suicided' Mr Paddock...





a reply to: Boadicea


the hot link is as slow as molasses-in-january

a reply to: St Udio

i speculated many days ago that ISIS forces were wrapped-up in this Attack, and since then, there has been NO News that tends to exonerate them from launching the Concert Attack & the 'suicided' Mr Paddock...

I'm right there with you... well, maybe a couple rows away

I am quite ready to believe that ISIS is involved. I just haven't seen that proverbial smoking gun pointing either way yet. I don't believe for a minute that "Paddock" was part of the massacre, and I sure don't believe he killed himself.

As I understand it, the stock that was sold by Murren and other MGM folks was under some kind of deadline during September, and the parties involved had to do something with it -- they chose to sell... why? Pretty odd timing right before a major terrorist attack. I'm also quite concerned with his choices of charity -- including CAIR, from what I've read. Especially in that he promised to match any donations by employees. It's possible that there were rumors of an attack that reached their ears, and they chose to err on the side of caution. But I sure wouldn't bet on it.

And I will say... though it might earn me a whole ration of grief (and perhaps rightfully so)... that from the pics I've seen, Mr. Jesus Campos does not look Mexican to me. If that sounds racist, I really am sorry about that. But I'm not alone. I know a few real honest-to-goodness Mexicans that agree with me. And I know for a fact that many of the "kids" -- aka "unaccompanied minors" -- coming across the border a few years ago were NOT Mexican -- and not Central American or South American. More to the point, they did not speak Spanish. And neither did their American "handlers." If Mr. Campos is legit, my best guess is that he's one of those "kids" and is here under DACA status, and Heaven only knows where he came from and who he came with. But I have absolutely nothing to back it up with, so take it for what it's worth.

a reply to: diggindirt

Toxicology reports aren't integral to determining the cause of death. Death was due to the path of a bullet in the brain if we are to believe what we've been told. Poisons or drugs in the brain would certainly be an interesting side note but....a bullet causes trauma to the brain that is readily evident on physical examination of the brain.

Drug or tox screens here are not to determine cause of Death aka the HOW, but the WHY

Why did a seemingly "normal" 64 yr old accountant-gambler suddenly drags 2 dozen guns and thousands rounds ammo
to top of casino hotel and begin firing on a crowded concert

We know that many drugs proscribed for anxiety or depression can have severe side effects resulting in all sort of
bizarre behavior

Know was prescribed Valium for anxiety and high blood pressure

Question is did this have something to do with his behavior

Was self medicating using drugs not prescribed to him or even illegal "street" drugs ?

Needed to establish motive .......

I put together a list of videos somewhat organized under subtopics; General/Fakery?/Conspiracy-Related/Interviews/Shooters at Bellagio, Hooters, Tropicana, Front of NY NY.
Still adding to list.

GENERAL
Forensic Acoustic proof of second shooter (Mike Adams)
www.youtube.com...

Taxi driver video (multiple shooters)
www.liveleak.com...

parking lots headshot testimony
www.liveleak.com...

Shaun Hoff footage
www.liveleak.com...

Airborne lights seen at 0:07 (N), 2 lights at 0:16 (N) 0:42 & 0:46 (right of MB) 1:11 (N)
NO MUZZLEFLASH FROM MANDALAY BAY
POINTING AT LUXOR 1:30
www.liveleak.com...

Raymond Page Footage:
www.liveleak.com...
2:18 flashing lights behind trees (N)
4:05 No muzzleflash from Mandalay Bay
6:00 flashes from R of MB, also 7:25
Flight lights going R between MB towers
9:53 Nav lights flying behind (over airport?)

New Las Vegas Shooting Footage - Close to the Stage
Read more at www.liveleak.com...
Rotors? at 3:20 and 3:50 accompanied by shots.
5:25 possible light flash behind standing floodlights.

SYNCHRONIZED FOOTAGE, FIRST 10 MINUTES:
www.liveleak.com...

Chopper sound
www.liveleak.com...

MACHINE GUN VIDEO
www.liveleak.com...

2 rifle shots at end
www.liveleak.com...
2:17 final auto burst, 3:26 2 rifle shots. Falling glass mentioned. Mentions shooter suicide as typical.

Shots from middle of 4th Floor at 3:55
www.liveleak.com... at

FAKERY ?

Las Vegas man loads wounded into truck after deadly shooting
Robert Page, a Clark County traffic technician, loaded wounded people into his Clark County truck.
www.liveleak.com...
No blood.

Police body cams. Weak pistol shots ripple cloth barrier.
www.liveleak.com...

"It's not gunshots"
www.liveleak.com...

Forensic analysis by Seb Green
vimeo.com...

Emergency room entrance
vimeo.com...

Mike Cronk (smiling) ABC interview at 2:30
vimeo.com...

Compilation of Videos and Still shots (some not seen elsewhere) (chopper noise at 3:50)
vimeo.com...

CONSPIRACY-RELATED
Sheldon Aldelson member national infrastructure advisory council, SPLC, funding CAIR,SOROS orgs. owner of Las Vegas
Review Journal
www.liveleak.com...

mass casualty drill UMC
www.liveleak.com...

Orlando docs train Las Vegas lessons from Pulse shooting
www.liveleak.com...

Eyewitness speaks of shots at NewYoker, Inside Tropicana
vimeo.com...

AEG. Corporate connections, Craigslist crisis actors ad for Las Vegas.
vimeo.com...

INTERVIEWS

Chelsea Latham, 35 of Lake Stevens (NV?)
"IT SOUNDED LIKE A HELICOPTER WAS SHOOTING" "rush of people at Tropicana, said there was another shooter" "I thought
there were at least 50 shooters" "her friend treated gunshot victims" (very emotional - real)
vimeo.com...

Lisa W. (multiple shooters)
www.youtube.com...

SHOOTERS AT BELLAGIO, HOOTERS, TROPICANA, FRONT OF NY NY also CAESAR'S PALACE and PARIS mentioned as having shooters

Chelsea Latham, 35 of Lake Stevens (NV?)
"IT SOUNDED LIKE A HELICOPTER WAS SHOOTING" "rush of people at Tropicana, said there was another shooter" "I thought
there were at least 50 shooters" "her friend treated gunshot victims" (very emotional - real)
vimeo.com...

Shots inside Bellagio Hotel
vimeo.com...

Eyewitness speaks of shots at NewYoker, Inside Tropicana
vimeo.com...

Hooters Active Shooter
www.liveleak.com...

Hmm ok...just watched the video of the emergency room....now that's all very peculiar. Could this video be from the active shooter drill there was on the 30th September? I saw a notice board in the Mandalay that had a staff notice for this drill supposedly happening around 12noon. Other hotels were doing the same apparently although I don't think its been mentioned above once or twice.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

This is really awesome -- I am so impressed and so thankful that you not only went to all this trouble, but that you shared it here. Thank you. I'm really impressed at how well you organized it all. Bravo!!!

And you couldn't have posted at a better time for me -- I just performed all my computer maintenance and cleaning tasks and I'm ready to watch... thank you!

ETA: I'm pretty sure I have eyewitness accounts that I can match up with at least some of those videos. I will try to do that as I'm watching the videos and post later. This is sooooooooooo awesome -- thank you!!!

a reply to: Boadicea

You're welcome. I made a few notes about some, (N) (W) indicate direction, direct quotes " " are enclosed and a couple have times show for certain events 0:35 for example.

I was hoping others might find it useful.

What really surprised me is the number of people reporting active shooters at other hotels, hotels that could not be shot at from the Mandalay Bay mind you. Perhaps Hooters and Tropicana but not Bellagio or NY NY. Youtube is frustratingly putting MSM pieces first for all searches so it's going to take some real digging to find those (if they're still up- many have been removed).

Cheers,
ATA

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

It's dark outside, so if it's a drill, it wasn't one at noon.

I need to clear some tabs on my phone before I dig into the amazing research ATA provided above... though some of these might come in very handy while checking out ATA's links...

Audio: Vegas Survivor Tells Savage She Heard Multiple Shooters

The audio is about seven minutes long. This woman, like so many others, tells about the different sounding gunfire -- some higher pitched and some lower pitched -- which might be explained by things like echos, sonic booms, ricochets, etc. But she also mentions that the different sounds of gunfire do not always come together -- sometimes it's both, sometimes it's just one or the other. But even more striking to me is that she describes hearing the higher pitched noise coming closer, in what seemed to her to be moving from west to east. So from the Las Vegas Blvd side of the venue to the Giles Rd/airport side of the venue (where the exits are located).

She also mentions that the stomach wound a woman right next to her received was not at the proper angle to receive such a wound from someone shooting from Mandalay Bay, which made her think the shooter was in a different location. From what she described, I got the impression the gunfire came from the south -- the stage. And after watching the videos Spy66 provided above, that seems even more likely than when I first heard the audio last night.

But everyone will have to judge for themselves!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Bah bugger of course.....think my detective skills are slipping lol....spent wayyyy too much time on this subject. Really should do the housework....maybe after Christmas

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Boadicea

What really surprised me is the number of people reporting active shooters at other hotels, hotels that could not be shot at from the Mandalay Bay mind you. Perhaps Hooters and Tropicana but not Bellagio or NY NY. Youtube is frustratingly putting MSM pieces first for all searches so it's going to take some real digging to find those (if they're still up- many have been removed).

Yes, YouTube is quite frustrating these days.

If you have a Facebook account, you might want to check out "Alika Spahn Naihe." She(?) has been saving these multiple shooter accounts -- screenshots-- in FB albums. She still has some posted that FB removed elsewhere. I'm able to see many of the eyewitness accounts, but I cannot see all without being logged in to Facebook. I'm tempted... but not enough yet! If you do check it out, let me know what you think and if it's worth me re-activating my account.

Here's a link: Multiple Eyewitness Accounts of Multiple Shooters -- Alika Spahn Niehe

a reply to: Boadicea

There were 2 distinct weapons used at least as far as caliber if not 3. They would have heard different shots. I do in the videos.

I just cannot see how this 'slob' had the physicality to pull this off from two different rooms.