About the Vegas Killer... newest info

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: audubon

I am not sure when Trump spoke about this BUT in a statement I think leaving Vegas Trump said something to the effect he took this personally. That's just odd to me...

I wish I had the time to go back and gather the similarities to this and 9-11.

I saw that statement as well. It made me wonder if he knew someone personally who was killed there. Here's the link: www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea

Oh WOW!!!

I did see video of lights flashing but they appeared to be hovering above the towers. I didn't realize there was a steel structural skeleton exposed at the top where someone could climb and the top structure would not be visible at night.

Now it makes sense!

It really does make a lot of sense. At first, I was just checking it out to see if it was possible... and it sure seems it is. Now I'm thinking it's very probable. There's something there that needs to be figured out. It could also be gunfire from the tanks, or the chopper lights, or even gunfire from the choppers. But there's something.

Awesome work, Boadicea!

ETA: Seriously floored. So glad to see you have 100 flags on this thread now, too! It's a goodie!

Thank you -- and thanks on everyone's behalf, because this thread is only awesome because the posters have been awesome (with a couple notable exceptions!). Amazing what ATSers can accomplish when we put our heads together, eh???

ETA2: Whether there's an online reference to stairs in the towers, or not, it would make sense that there are some. If they were going to be used for a ferris wheel, stairs would allow access to the central mechanism for maintenance purposes. I don't think the lack of online reference is very meaningful.

There would have to be stairs included in the final plans at the very least, and I would think at least a temporary staircase would be installed fairly soon after construction in order to prep the upper structure for installation of the mechanisms for the ferris wheel.

However, even if there were no stairs installed before the project was abandoned, something could have been rigged for this purpose. It doesn't seem to be secured or monitored at all. They could buy a collapsible aluminum ladder and install pretty darn quick and easy. I'm not sure how high the shooters would have to be though, so therefore how tall the ladder would have to be.

ETA3: And with helicopters traveling by with flashing lights...the flashing lights at the top of the towers could have been obfuscated to people on the ground and on video. In fact, I would argue a helicopter travels by at a key time to set that exact obfuscation up.

Yes -- the helicopter(s) could have served many purposes.

Keep in mind the floodlight over the stage that was turned on after the shooting started, which illuminated the crowd. It would have also blinded anyone to any gunfire flashes coming from the towers behind it.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Boadicea

I can see what appears to be flashes, but your third video brings up a good question. Are there any stairs within? Though if no stairs...is there any kind of pulley system within that one can hoist themselves to the top level via cables?

The MFA Underground Facebook post I linked to says there are stairs, and that he has seen the blueprints, but just because the blueprints call for stairs in the finished project doesn't mean they were ever installed. It would be simple enough though for someone to get a ladder or rig something else up -- like a pulley system! Or some kind of scaffolding?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea


ETA2: Whether there's an online reference to stairs in the towers, or not, it would make sense that there are some. If they were going to be used for a ferris wheel, stairs would allow access to the central mechanism for maintenance purposes. I don't think the lack of online reference is very meaningful.

I saw a video on these towers about a week ago and not only are there stairs, there was actually a few places on the way up that looked like open cutouts, like windows but without glass.

a reply to: Boadicea

Looking again at the videos you posted...it looks like there may also flashes of light right top of the concrete portion of the towers, too, and not just where the 'hovering' lights can be seen.

ETA: After another look, I think perhaps not 'lights flashing', but something *appearing and disappearing* that is light-colored at the top of the concrete.

a reply to: pale5218

I saw a video on these towers about a week ago and not only are there stairs, there was actually a few places on the way up that looked like open cutouts, like windows but without glass.

Oh wow! Do you recall where you saw that? Any chance you could hunt it up again for the thread? It would be much appreciated!

Putting together a sequence that makes me really believe there was definitely more than one shooter.

First
This video was posted earlier in the thread but wanted to put it here so it can be followed. You only have to watch from the 3:00 minute mark to the 4:00 minute mark to get the point.

www.youtube.com...

At 3:11, the first of the three single shots were fired, 3-5 secs apart. At 3:40 the crowd is evacuating in a rushed manner. At 3:41 the last song starts, this is the song playing when the rapid fire shooting.

Something has already happened because at 3:40, as the crowd is obviously exiting quickly, either the person taking the video or someone next to them ask "Whats going on". When the rapid fire starts at 3:51, the crowd starts running out.

It was suggested earlier that these could have been fireworks and I believed this was plausible until the next video.

An interview by Laura Loomer and Jason Goodman from CrowdSourceTheTruth (Oct 14). On tape is a two concert goers that gave an interview and there is video that can corroborate that at least one of those single shots hit someone.

www.youtube.com...

3:00 minutes into the video, they discuss those single shots and talk about someone getting hit. The girl being interviewed says basically the same thing about the timing. The single shots then 20-40 seconds later, the rapid fire starts.
18:25 Talks about the person that was shot by one of those single shots that were fired before the first burst.


This next video is some guy (Charlton) dissecting the NBC Interview with the maintenance worker (Steven Schuck) that showed up on floor 32. NBC and this Carlton guy are not important, it's just that this is the only video I found with the radio calls.
I want you to pay attention to the NBC interview along with the audio (radio calls) from 6:45 thru 7:45 which has Campos and the maintnence guy as they were outside in the hallway.

www.youtube.com...

So they are saying they were outside in the hallway, they were shot at by Paddock and then he opened fire to at the concert.

There was no single shots fire from Paddocks room, the single shots (at least one) struck a person in the crowd. Could Paddock have opened fire into the hallway, dropped the automatic and picked up a rifle for the three shots and then proceeded to use the automatics again. This is possible but the audio from Campos and Schuck seems to go from shooting in the hallway to shooting in the crowd with the automatic weapon, nothing about these single shots.

originally posted by: pale5218

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Boadicea


ETA2: Whether there's an online reference to stairs in the towers, or not, it would make sense that there are some. If they were going to be used for a ferris wheel, stairs would allow access to the central mechanism for maintenance purposes. I don't think the lack of online reference is very meaningful.

I saw a video on these towers about a week ago and not only are there stairs, there was actually a few places on the way up that looked like open cutouts, like windows but without glass.

Those were shown in another thread to be air-conditioner baffles...or something like that.

a reply to: carewemust

I could be mistaken but I think that was in reference to Mandalay Bay and not the SkyVue Towers.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: pale5218

I saw a video on these towers about a week ago and not only are there stairs, there was actually a few places on the way up that looked like open cutouts, like windows but without glass.

Oh wow! Do you recall where you saw that? Any chance you could hunt it up again for the thread? It would be much appreciated!

About 5:30 mark in this video he starts recording the towers. I stand corrected, he is talking about elevator shafts not stairs but there is doors at the base and he will show the windows. There must be stairs though if there isn't a working elevator.

ETA: I forgot to link the video, it's been a long week.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Boadicea

In the this video, filmed from what appears to be east of the towers, there appears at least one flash of light that travels from the left of the screen to the right of the screen:

Did you notice this pic of the towers used in the videos you posted?



That pic doesn't show the steel skeletal structure at the top and actually UNDERMINES the point of the theory presented.

BUT...I haven't found any pics of the towers that look like that at the top. The most recent ones I have found show the steel skeletal structures at the top -- like this video from 2016...

Screenshot:


Video


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Why would someone presenting this theory use photos that undermine it...photos that appear (to me) to have been photoshopped to obliterate the most important part of the theory.

Controlled opposition with disinfo?

WTF?

The towers have a steel skeletal structure at the top from the pics/videos I am finding. And that explains how the lights appear to be hovering.

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I think the SkyVue Towers are a very good path to follow. And they have my attention now!

here they are in april of this year.


taken from here, didn't know there address so i used the fairgrounds, and went to mandalay rd across the street.
3901 S Las Vegas Blvd Las Vegas NV

it looks the same today as it did then. very doubtful that any one would use these for a shooting position.

first, if you go to the link and go to the intersection, count the number of cameras on the poles at all four corners.

second, there is looks like a six foot tall fence all the way around it.

third, it's wide freaking open, if the shooters were able to go undetected getting in and after firing, they would have to wait for it to be all clear before they came out. or they might have been seen, and or caught. sure they could lie, but chances are they would be detained and the towers searched.

fourth, cops were all over that intersection as others.

then there this, a video i posted in the mega thread. shot from the Foundation Room in the Mandalay Bay Hotel during the shooting. it shows the towers no flashes. true it doesn't show all of the shooting, but if you listen to one of the guys talking, he says they were there the whole time and describes the start. now don't you think if shots were coming from there that they would have trained the camera on them, and not back and forth.


as far as i'm concerned you can put the towers to rest. no shots fired from there.



ETA: if you notice 2:33 mark during the shooting he turn to the left. towers are to the right.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Boadicea

In the this video, filmed from what appears to be east of the towers, there appears at least one flash of light that travels from the left of the screen to the right of the screen:

Did you notice this pic of the towers used in the videos you posted?

That pic doesn't show the steel skeletal structure at the top and actually UNDERMINES the point of the theory presented.

BUT...I haven't found any pics of the towers that look like that at the top. The most recent ones I have found show the steel skeletal structures at the top -- like this video from 2016...

Screenshot:

Video


***

Why would someone presenting this theory use photos that undermine it...photos that appear (to me) to have been photoshopped to obliterate the most important part of the theory.

Controlled opposition with disinfo?

WTF?

The towers have a steel skeletal structure at the top from the pics/videos I am finding. And that explains how the lights appear to be hovering.

***

I think the SkyVue Towers are a very good path to follow. And they have my attention now!

I was just looking at that video I just posted and about the 5:43 mark, there is flashing light at the top .
These are probably aeronautical obstruction lights, so them helicopters don’t hit them.

This is interesting... doesn't quite fit with the timeline we've been given, that the floor was cleared before breaching the gunman's room:

Santa Clara woman on same hotel floor as Las Vegas shooter recalls horror: ‘I turned out the lights’

Rich, an event planner from Santa Clara who was in Las Vegas for a job, was in her room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino just after 10 p.m., about to have a late dinner, when she heard loud noises, something like fireworks.

She knew a country music concert was going on across the street and assumed the pops were part of the show. Then she got a message from colleagues on a group text saying there was an active shooter and that everyone should double-lock their door and get down.

On the 32nd floor, Rich, 34, remained in her room for what she thought was about 90 minutes before she was alerted via her phone that the gunman was on her floor.

At one point, a siren went off and an alarm, followed by a ruckus in the hall, an explosion and smoke — presumably from SWAT teams entering the room of the gunman.

Eventually, the police went room to room, banging on doors, calling on occupants to identify themselves.

“They opened the door,” said Rich. “I immediately dropped to the floor like they told me.”

Guests from other areas of the hotel were allowed to remain in their rooms through the night...

Guests received no information from the hotel, no phone calls or intercom announcements and the front desk phone went unanswered, he said.

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: xuenchen


Stanford University to study body of Vegas shooter

www.mercurynews.com...

Interesting! Particularly this line:

Clark County Coroner John Fudenberg said Friday that an autopsy was completed on 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock, but a finding on a cause and manner of his death is not expected for several months.

Are they just being coy here? Why would it take weeks or months to determine cause of death if he shot himself in the head? Was there a shot to the chest as many have speculated? Two bullet wounds? If the death is as being reported by the authorities, why can't the coroner determine the cause and manner of death? Does the Clark Co. Coroner need to call that medical examiner for Sandy Hook? Remember the guy who claimed to have completed a couple of dozen autopsies overnight?

a reply to: Boadicea

Gah!!!

Ok, I think I located the original video the videos you posted used and can't see the hovering lights...although I see a few flashes at the top of the concrete portion of the towers.

Link

I know I saw other video of both towers, recoded that night, somewhere earlier today. I am off to look.

However, I can say that there is plenty of alternate accounts that indicate something did happen inside the Mandalay Bay, including police audio, ambulances at the hotel, an EMT stating there were injured inside Mandalay.

a reply to: Boadicea

Or that the injured either walked or were carried into the Mandalay Bay for treatment and waiting on ambulances

Did you consider that prospect before scream CONSPIRACY ??

Had people running into casinos all down the strip to get away

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Your link brought me to this view from February 2017:



Are you suggesting they did away with the steel structure at the top between February and April 2017?

If so, THAT is VERY interesting.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It could be that they used the (presumably older) pics they did because it showed something else they thought was significant... or, like you suggest, that someone is setting it up to take it down...

I'm glad you're intrigued as well! I think it's worth watching at the very least.

Are they just being coy here? Why would it take weeks or months to determine cause of death if he shot himself in the head?

a reply to: diggindirt


Because it can take several weeks to run drug and tox screens to see if under influence of drugs or poisons