Mutiple shooters confirmed by taxi driver footage WE are being lied too.1st 2 Mins vid

One more post with zero echos.
This is a video containing an ominous
prediction on Reddit in Sept about
Las Vegas crowds being massacred.
And the audio is the police radio of the night.

Multiple calls from officers reporting 2
shooters.Including a swat team member on the
32nd, who clearly states two separate shooters
with AUTOMATIC weapons on the 29 and 32nd floor.
jump to 20 minutes in if you doubt this.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: AnonymousTi

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TheJesuit

"Additionally: Now I know the source of the flashes on the lower floor, its reflection from all the cop cars parked just up the road with their lights flashing."

For what I can tell those flashes are those emergency strobe lights for stairwells and what not. Like if there is a fire, earthquake or some other emergency those start going off so people know how to exit the building.

You have a building schematic showing the stairwells? Usually they are located at either ends of building structures, not the middle.

Diagram of shooters suite, descending stairwell in back

Problem is unless we get the floor plan for the floor in question(4th?) we won't know 100% for certain.

Quick edit: What makes me think it is a emergency fire strobe light is when the viewing angle changes, the light stays in the same place so it's not a reflection. On top of that if the shooter was smart he would have set off fire alarms to confuse police since the smoke from his gun could set them off anyways.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: AnonymousTi

originally posted by: plaindoughnut

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: AnonymousTi

The speed of sound is 340meters/s which means echos should only take about 1.2 seconds.

I agree...the time to "echo" is too long.

This reasoning makes no sense. You don't know the distance from the cameras mic to what ever surface or surfaces are causing the echo.

So many times on here people claim conspiracy because of not understanding physics.

Well if we go by the distance to the target area we know its around 400 meters. We know the cameras mic is at the east side Mandalay bay in the valet area. The fire rate of the echo's also doesn't match up.

Slightly less, about a 1000 feet. Return echoes in beginning of video are from structure further away, obviously.

Yep, from what I read 400 yards to the stage but he would have been shooting a little further into the crowd. I figured just add 25 yards or so onto that. Not sure if that is accounting for the shooting angle though, Edit: that shouldn't matter much though since most people filmed at the ground level.

I don't think it's impossible to dissect and calculate out a lot of whats going on. It's the same thing the professionals would be doing. We know all the distances to all the buildings in the area and we know what the speed of sound is. We can even calculate how much quieter the echo's can be if we know the total distance the shots were heard from. I know it wouldn't be perfect but it can give us a pretty good idea given our limited resources.

I was at the Mandalay Bay Shooting and wrote about my experience here I can confirm echos and sounds ricocheting off buildings surrounding.

What is confusing for me is, shortly after the shooter was captured and people in the crowed were being interviewed, there was one woman who was interviewed saying that her and her friends had run around the back of the stage area near cars and caravans / mobile homes and were being chased by a gunman shooting at them?

I don't have the footage, but she definitely said they were being perused by an armed person shooting at them in the concert area?

Anyone see this? or can substantiate it?

a reply to: abeverage

The problem is when you watch the video from the beginning to 0:43+ seconds. Where are the shots that make the echo at 0:43? It doesn't take 40 seconds to create the so called echo at 0:43. 40 Seconds is too long and you shouldn't be able to hear that. So it is shoots coming from somewhere else.

originally posted by: AnonymousTi
a reply to: abeverage

The problem is when you watch the video from the beginning to 0:43+ seconds. Where are the shots that make the echo at 0:43? It doesn't take 40 seconds to create the so called echo at 0:43. 40 Seconds is too long and you shouldn't be able to hear that. So it is shoots coming from somewhere else.

There were 2 very different areas he was shooting from one on the front of the Hotel and one on the side which could have made it sound like a different shooter. I will not however rule out a second shooter but then why did they stop there were still plenty of people including myself and Fiance as easy targets...

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
What is confusing for me is, shortly after the shooter was captured and people in the crowed were being interviewed, there was one woman who was interviewed saying that her and her friends had run around the back of the stage area near cars and caravans / mobile homes and were being chased by a gunman shooting at them?

I don't have the footage, but she definitely said they were being perused by an armed person shooting at them in the concert area?

Anyone see this? or can substantiate it?

Can you remember where you found the footage? There is speculation over one video where it appears to show officer in a yellow vest crouching down and shooting into the crowd. It's not certain if he was shooting or it was ricochets sparking off at his feet from the actual shooter. It's quite possible people were confused in the panic and thought the shooter was in the crowd because of all the ricochets bouncing off the ground.

The way I see it is if this was a professionally thought out attack which it seems. They wouldn't have any of their guys near the target are for risk of friendly fire. So that person was probably just confused.

a reply to: AnonymousTi

Phew, thanks, I thought I was going mad!

Yeah, she described him as looking "official" like a security guard or something like that. I can't remember her description because it was one of the first few vids I watched on the situation. BUT she definitely said the guy was chasing them and firing.

I desperately searching youtube for evidence of this. and my history files.

originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: AnonymousTi
a reply to: abeverage

The problem is when you watch the video from the beginning to 0:43+ seconds. Where are the shots that make the echo at 0:43? It doesn't take 40 seconds to create the so called echo at 0:43. 40 Seconds is too long and you shouldn't be able to hear that. So it is shoots coming from somewhere else.

There were 2 very different areas he was shooting from one on the front of the Hotel and one on the side which could have made it sound like a different shooter. I will not however rule out a second shooter but then why did they stop there were still plenty of people including myself and Fiance as easy targets...

That is true it could sound quite different but it should still sound really loud from where the taxi driver was at. The window was only off at a 45 degree angle too and the direction of the weapon's barrel is still facing the same way.

It would make a much bigger difference if he shooting out the west side of the building(opposite the taxi driver) or from somewhere inside the hotel. I still think it should be a little louder than what we hear in the video though.

I don't think it is police returning fire from the ground either because there should be more broken windows on the east side. That would be really hard to fire all those rounds through 2 windows from the ground.

Probably not some random person just shooting randomly because why not. Not impossible just not likely, cameras everywhere etc.

It's got to be a second shooter or maybe police shooting at something that's not the hotel or something inside the hotel. There may have been false reports of the shooter and who knows if police accidentally shot the wrong person.

From what I can tell it came from a different location. The taxi driver even points the camera off to the east like as if she hear the sound coming from that direction. I think if it was still from the hotel it should have been much louder.

originally posted by: AnonymousTi

originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: AnonymousTi
a reply to: abeverage

The problem is when you watch the video from the beginning to 0:43+ seconds. Where are the shots that make the echo at 0:43? It doesn't take 40 seconds to create the so called echo at 0:43. 40 Seconds is too long and you shouldn't be able to hear that. So it is shoots coming from somewhere else.

There were 2 very different areas he was shooting from one on the front of the Hotel and one on the side which could have made it sound like a different shooter. I will not however rule out a second shooter but then why did they stop there were still plenty of people including myself and Fiance as easy targets...

That is true it could sound quite different but it should still sound really loud from where the taxi driver was at. The window was only off at a 45 degree angle too and the direction of the weapon's barrel is still facing the same way.

It would make a much bigger difference if he shooting out the west side of the building(opposite the taxi driver) or from somewhere inside the hotel. I still think it should be a little louder than what we hear in the video though.

I don't think it is police returning fire from the ground either because there should be more broken windows on the east side. That would be really hard to fire all those rounds through 2 windows from the ground.

Probably not some random person just shooting randomly because why not. Not impossible just not likely, cameras everywhere etc.

It's got to be a second shooter or maybe police shooting at something that's not the hotel or something inside the hotel. There may have been false reports of the shooter and who knows if police accidentally shot the wrong person.

From what I can tell it came from a different location. The taxi driver even points the camera off to the east like as if she hear the sound coming from that direction. I think if it was still from the hotel it should have been much louder.

I was literally right where the cab driver was...I heard the same thing and like them couldn't tell what it was as it sounded like fireworks and it again sounded farther off but the angle of the hotel would be deflecting the sound. Unlike the cab driver though we didn't stay outside nor did we keep listening for what we thought was just revelry from the concert...

double post

I was thinking maybe the shots sound like they're coming from two locations because of the spot in the room he was shooting from, but there are a few points where I can hear shots from both spots.

Here's another video: CLICK

& Another just to prove a point...: CLICK

At each time that I set the link to there are TWO distinct sounds. One is close and one is far. I understand that the sound would be different because of the locations of the windows Stephen Paddock was shooting from, but he can't be shooting both places at once. An echo would be consistent no matter where he shoots from, but that isn't even what we're listening to.

We're listening to more than one shooter.

a reply to: abeverage

Yeah, it's really tricky to pin point. I think I'm going to record the first minute and half of the taxi driver audio and take a look at the actual wave form. Might help us get a better idea on whats going on.

originally posted by: AnonymousTi
a reply to: abeverage

Yeah, it's really tricky to pin point. I think I'm going to record the first minute and half of the taxi driver audio and take a look at the actual wave form. Might help us get a better idea on whats going on.

I am still processing what I went through and what I heard through the night. At one point we thought there were terrorists at each hotel along the strip (No kidding) as did the Police we talked with before the moved on.

I do know that you can hear things echoing like helicopters when they are near the hotels all that glass bounces the noise.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
an obvious question :

if this allegation is true :

WHY ?

or more specifically - why is " 2 or more gunmen working to a common purpose " a taboo subject ???

i personallly dont see it as any sort of issue - if there are one , 2 , 7 gunmen

so why this conspiracist obsession that alledged " second gunmen " are being " covered up " ??????????????

To answer your question, if there are more than one shooter, then that means someone organized it way beyond just for killing. They did it to realize a particular outcome hoping for a specific goal. Not just killing people. And it would be covered up obviously to keep people from knowing why they were doing it.

Alright I analyzed the audio from the taxi driver video here. Come check out what I found.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

MDB's aircraft registration info got me thinking about the weird emplacement strategy used by the alleged shooter.
The high-elevation hotel room's smashed out window duplicates the slant range and look-down angles typical when using a pole or door mounted ISR aerial sensor/weapon platform. I.e. the shooting could have been done with an optically computer targeted, gimbaled gun cage which the hit-men moved to another room or offsite at minute 11. A defense company used the plane to do the R&D testing for the system.
Maybe Paddock was an investor or took the plane off their hands. The patsy being already dead and staged for suicide and the armory of guns to ban previously fired and just scattered around the room, that's why so few casings and magazines.
Kind of crazy and I hate adding to the noise but I know a guy with experience in that line of work. Also we won't receive useful info from the govt. because we never do. uk.flightaware.com...

a reply to: LondonManVolant Associates:
"INNOVATIVE SCIENTIFIC, ENGINEERING, AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE SERVING THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE"
www.volant-associates.com...

So can we come to a conclusion between cell video and witness statements that there were multiple shooters and then can someone address this issue with any MSM to really put it out there because the lone gunman narrative was put out there really quickly .
Why do we accept what we are spoon-fed from the MSM? When there's more than enough info telling everyone otherwise!