Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

I was able to watch some footage from the event, and it was ridiculous... it was not just semi-automatic, but fully automatic gunfire, and it just kept on going. I can't believe someone did this -

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
So a 64 year old white male, former accountant, licensed hunter (in Alaska) and pilot (all according the latest from MSM), checked into a Las Vegas hotel (how else would he gain access to an upper story sniper’s nest?) with an automatic weapon (or a modified semi-automatic weapon), with hundreds of rounds of ammo, and proceeds to kill tens of people and injuring possibly hundreds more.

I think it might be safe to conjecture that this was not a “spur of the moment” attack. This is on an entirely different level than some jihadi renting a truck and mowing down the first large group of pedestrians he sees. This, is much more sinister.

This was carefully planned based on the availability of the target (the massed crowd at a specific event), the pre-planning of the vantage point from which the attack ensued, and the preparations necessary to support the method of attack (a large amount of ammo on hand).

This is not a random psycho killer.

And according to eyewitness a woman screamed 'you are all going to die' minutes before the event. She fits the description of Marilou Danley the person of interest the cops were looking for.

originally posted by: andrew778
64 year old local guy was the shooter. He's white as far as I know so it isn't Islamic terrorism like everyone assumes. 50 dead 200 injured

While I agree it isn't likely, I do hope you are aware that there are plenty of white muslims, even radical ones?

Stating categorically "he's white so it isn't islamic terrorism..." is ignoring that fact.

originally posted by: Cygnis
So, not to go off topic, but.

In the United States, you CAN purchase a fully auto weapon AFTER you go through a lengthy process, pay for a tax stamp, and meet some other criteria, like getting your local county Sherriff to sign off on a form to send into BATFA, where the send info off to the FBI for a background check, etc.

Even still WITH the proper permissions, tax stamp etc there are still some guns the US Civilian cannot purchase.

The Civilian version (M249 SAW semi-auto) starting cost is roughly $14,000.

From what I see, the guy didn't qualify for a firearm much less a potential WMD.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: ARM1968

We've had plenty of deaths in the UK from terrorist attacks - no guns required.
Saying American citizens who support the constitution have blood on their hands is misguided.

Really not wanting to get into the pro-gun anti-gun debate but since we took action after Dumblane when was there last a mass shooting on the kind of scale that is a regular occurrence in the states.

I agree that this is about more than just the second amendment.

Also 9/11 was the biggest terrorist attack in history. not a single gun involved, so I don't think discussing this in the scope of terrorism is really relevant rather I think we should be talking about it in terms of mass murder shootings.

You're right not to want to get into the anti/pro gun debate. The way people die at the hands of lunatics is not relevant. We had 22 die recently in Manchester. Our gun ban did not save those poor souls. In France, almost 100 died from gunfire. Their gun ban did not save those poor souls. I could go on. Comparing these types of terror or domestic terror attacks, I doubt there is much difference in the number of dead between Europe and the USA over the last 5-10 years.

The world is crazy and getting crazier. Banning guns will be about as effective as the ban on bombs in tackling the issues we face.

originally posted by: HeadCrunchMcRockGroin

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
In America most mass shootings are actually carried out by young white American Men who are not Muslim.

What you have said is factually incorrect

I'm sorry, I just don't buy this. I was thinking more attacks in general, not just shootings. However, considering all the gang violence, I seriously doubt white males are the prime shooters in the country.

Why do I feel like you want to turn this into a identity politics issue.

FACT. In America most mass shootings are perpetrated by young white males, almost always the attacker is not Muslim.

Now sure you could start talking about gang violence and its impact on other non-white ethnic groups but that is a totally different topic to the phenomenon of mass shootings.

You just seem desperate to pretend that this issue of mass shootings is not a problem with in the white demographic. I actually think this is quite dangerous, sure in this instance we are looking at a older guy but in general most of these kinds of shootings are usual young white men under 30. So to combat this problem first we need to accept that and then start looking at why this happens in this demographic and what steps can be take to prevent it, i.e.. teacher training, betting mental heath care, stricter background checks (including psychological testing) and the list goes on.

First though, before the problem can be really tackled people like you need to get your head out of the sand and stop pretending that this is the fault of Muslims or other ethnic groups.

This footage is pretty scary I must say..

originally posted by: ARM1968
a reply to: UKTruth

Terrorist attacks are one thing. This is entirely different. Trying to equate the two is misguided.

Would you like to tot up how many killed by such actions in the uk this year compared to say, oh, how many have died from gun crime in say Chicago alone.

If citizens don’t do the right thing and persistently cling to stupidity, this will happen again and again - which, of course, it will.

since we dont know why this person did this we cant discount terrorism as a cause.

In every single mass shooting that i listed all occurred in gun free zones.

If the UK gun laws are so good why do you guys have armed police? Northern Ireland police are all armed and have been for decades. The units that protect the Queen are armed.

Same argument for Australia.

If someone wants to break the law, laws restricting gun ownership or where they can carry them / where they can use them wont matter now will they?

Sine the last 2 terror attacks in the UK relied on motor vehicles should they be banned as well?

just to clue you in our 2nd amendment is designed to protect the citizens from the government.

a reply to: ARM1968

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

I'm pretty sure the the guns used here were probably illegal..
and most of us in the US support the right to carry guns of one kind of another...
it's just how far we should go when it comes to those guns that are for military purposes than they are for hunting purposes.
but, it's quite unfair to say that we all have blood on our hands.
and if you took the guns away from everyone, the crazies would just find another way to kill. when it comes to killing it seems that people have no problem finding new and more effective ways to do it.

this is what?? the third attack in the past three or so day, and I believe they may have all been on the No. American Continent, although I could be wrong about one of them????

originally posted by: ARM1968
a reply to: Xcathdra

A passport and a sh!t load of weaponry and ammo. Usual check in there in the US of A?

Have the NRA come out yet and said that if all the concert goers were armed with AR’s they could have taken him out?

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

How many mass shootings in the UK? How many anywhere else where gun control is rigorously enforced. Yes you get the odd incident, but nothing like this. This is a sickness at the heart of the USA that YOU must all address.

I'm sorry that you feel that strongly about it, but it's not gonna happen. Not now, not ever.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Maybe she was gonna turn him in for stolen money? No matter the intent this was a planned out, cold calculated event.
Member here www.abovetopsecret.com... laid it out nicely.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: ARM1968
a reply to: Xcathdra

A passport and a sh!t load of weaponry and ammo. Usual check in there in the US of A?

Have the NRA come out yet and said that if all the concert goers were armed with AR’s they could have taken him out?

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

How many mass shootings in the UK? How many anywhere else where gun control is rigorously enforced. Yes you get the odd incident, but nothing like this. This is a sickness at the heart of the USA that YOU must all address.

So, the victims who died, some may have supported the right to carry, their own blood is on their hands?

Really? Leave the BS out of this right now. For shame.

Whatever. This will keep happening because none of you have the balls to stop it.

originally posted by: dreamingawake
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Maybe she was gonna turn him in for stolen money? No matter the intent this was a planned out, cold calculated event.
Member here www.abovetopsecret.com... laid it out nicely.

Yes, I already starred that post.

a reply to: ARM1968

Pressure cooker bombs are weapons of mass destruction too. I think they are quite illegal and still used for terrorism. Fully automatic weapons takes a special license to own, and heavily regulated and restricted.

originally posted by: ARM1968
a reply to: Xcathdra

A passport and a sh!t load of weaponry and ammo. Usual check in there in the US of A?

Have the NRA come out yet and said that if all the concert goers were armed with AR’s they could have taken him out?

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

How many mass shootings in the UK? How many anywhere else where gun control is rigorously enforced. Yes you get the odd incident, but nothing like this. This is a sickness at the heart of the USA that YOU must all address.

This is not the time for hatred of laws that you obviously don't understand. What works for a tiny island doesn't work every where.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Xcathdra

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Bullets cannot kill anyone until it is discharged from an item than can set them off, which again has to be manipulated by a person.

wanna take another swing or you good?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ARM1968

For all those who died, your blood is on the hands of everyone of your countrymen who support the right to carry arms.

I'm pretty sure the the guns used here were probably illegal..
and most of us in the US support the right to carry guns of one kind of another...
it's just how far we should go when it comes to those guns that are for military purposes than they are for hunting purposes.
but, it's quite unfair to say that we all have blood on our hands.
and if you took the guns away from everyone, the crazies would just find another way to kill. when it comes to killing it seems that people have no problem finding new and more effective ways to do it.

this is what?? the third attack in the past three or so day, and I believe they may have all been on the No. American Continent, although I could be wrong about one of them????

YES the crazies WOULD find a way, but it would be so much harder for them. A nut with a knife is not going to kill 50+ people at a concert.

I am always amazed that those of us who see the sickness you cling to as wrong are immediately cast as haters or deluded. Come on. How many, this year alone, have been killed by firearms in the USA. It’s thousands. Is that a price you continually wish to pay?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Might want to read the post I replied to for more context on my post.

i did and their post said nothing about who meaning their decent or what their religion was, you brought in that with your post.

here explain to me the context of this post in relation to you muslim post.

JinMI Post

We'll know full well who the perpetrator is long before we hear of the dead. Tis the way unfortunately.

ETA: when a muslm jihadist attacks, shouting allah akbar, or carrying a isis flag or appears to be of middle eastern decent with all the attacks ove r the world by them, course it will be talked about. but as far as i have heard nothing had been said about his motivation in doing this.