Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

a reply to: aliensanonymous

I think we'll get a "high functioning autism/aspergers + undiagnosed mental illness/psychotic episode is likely based on information obtained but cannot be proven" scenario released in a wee while... that'll be the extent of the attempted explanation and then that'll be the end of it...

ETA: It'll be" "based on his tendency to isolate himself, obsessive/single minded type behaviours, inclination to planning, aptitude for mathematics, inability to form and maintain relationships" etc. And "deteriorating appearance, increasingly erratic behaviour" (probably reported by the girlfriend).. "information gained through interviews with people who knew Stephen (and it may well be 'Stephen' I imagine, not 'the killer' or somesuch) indicate that......", "leading psychologist/psychiatrist Dr..... says..."

Etc..

This guy does a really easy to understand breakdown of the shots fired -multiple shooters/types of weapons used etc- and the angle of fire etc also. It taught me a lot of stuff I never knew I needed to know, but was super interesting.

originally posted by: dreamingawake

Exactly what I was figuring. Though, what else was contained in the notes?

No matter what else might be in those notes, the existence of said notes suggest he had help from someone else.

So, it's a conspiracy.

I doubt he could look this info up on the internet, and jot it down to remind himself.

Someone who knew a good deal about how to shoot must have been advising him.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Huh?

Information like that is readily available on the internet. You've got people discussing bullet drop and angles on this thread even. It's not difficult to find, nor hard to understand.

Making notes on something hardly proves a conspiracy either.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Erno86

So now we should start banning things just because of what might happen????

And just to be clear, wasn't that your initial premise...Tannerite should be banned because this dooshbag had some in his car?

He probably had a cell phone too, should we ban those now too? I mean, he might have called in an air-strike with it, right? Heck, he might have planned on getting in his car afterward and mowing down a hundred more people with it too, so we should ban cars now too, right? (and he still wouldn't have used the Tannerite). Where does this banning things end? Bottom line...it doesn't.

Banning things based on speculation about what someone might do is just plain paranoid and stupid.

P.S. Someone might go stab someone with a fork at the restaurant tonight. So long forks, nice knowin' ya!

So I take it that you're also against banning the sale of bump fire stocks to the public; at least, without a Federal tax stamp?

I don't know if this means anything, and I really don't have an explanation for it, but my first post to this thread I commented on the pictures that were being shown were not the pictures that I had originally seen of the hotel.

I wrote back on page 66.

There seems to be multiple pictures going around of the windows though. I remember seeing an earlier picture that did not have the same windows being blown out. The two windows actually looked like they were on two different levels.

I didn't say anything more about it because no one else was questioning the pictures and I had not seen the original pictures since that time. Until today. This was the original picture I saw.



I don't why this is just coming up or what it means.

DP

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

These are reportedly air vents from what I've read

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Air vents?

So if those are not rooms, what are they?

Would not air vent allow access to the outside of the buildings and wouldn't they make the perfect location to shoot from?

Just asking because like much else about this incident, it is just not adding up.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I saw those pix the next day. The difference I could see was that the original photos of the broken windows showed jagged edges and curtains blowing out the windows. The images you posted show perfectly rectangular dark spots, nothing like the "broken" windows being posted here: www.businessinsider.com...

Sorry, don't know how to embed but the photos are down within the article.

a reply to: diggindirt
The night of the incident, the pictures I saw was those three windows in my last post.

The next day when I turned on the TV to show my mother what had happened the night before, was the first time that I saw the picture of the two broken windows, on the same floor. My mother even remembered that I commented that they were showing a different picture than the one that I had seen the night before.

Today was the first time that I saw the first picture that I saw that night so, I am a bit pleased to see that I wasn't mis-remembering what I saw.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
Ah, I think I understand but can you clarify---you saw a picture of those three windows that was taken in the time after the shooting---before the sun came up? I'm asking because when I first saw the posts with those dark spots that the post was calling "missing windows" and claiming that was evidence of another shooter, I was totally confused. From what I could make out from looking at several photos and videos the "missing windows" were on the other side of the hotel.

I had seen a video of the hotel that showed the jagged windows of the room the shooter had rented. They looked like one would expect them to look---with pieces of glass still stuck into the window frame. The photos of the three on another side of the building didn't have the jagged look of a window knocked out by gunfire or a hammer---there were no remnants of glass, just a blank space that didn't reflect light. I saw an explanation of that but for the life of me I can't tell you if it was in this thread.

I understand the "mis-remembering" because evidently I've mis-remembered a video that I distinctly remember showing a helicopter passing near the MB at the time the shooting was going on. It was taken in the venue. Now I'm driven myself half nuts trying to find it. In some of the "gunshot" videos it does seem to me that some of what people are calling gunshots is actually the sound of a helicopter. But that might just be my ancient ears...I also can't see the "muzzle flash" that some posters have claimed to see---maybe that's my ancient computer....

Okay...spent a week reading/viewing everything, everywhere. IMHO, multiple shooters. Paddock was likely either a patsy or a preliminary liason/scout to line things up. Besides the video/sound/multiple compelling witness accounts, I don't see how he could shoot and monitor the surveillance camera at the same time and I don't see why one person would need so many guns. Just my opinion. Also, the lack of hotel secuirty footage leaking is hinky AF.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
I don't know if this means anything, and I really don't have an explanation for it, but my first post to this thread I commented on the pictures that were being shown were not the pictures that I had originally seen of the hotel.

I wrote back on page 66.

There seems to be multiple pictures going around of the windows though. I remember seeing an earlier picture that did not have the same windows being blown out. The two windows actually looked like they were on two different levels.

I didn't say anything more about it because no one else was questioning the pictures and I had not seen the original pictures since that time. Until today. This was the original picture I saw.

I don't why this is just coming up or what it means.

After Googling exterior pictures of the Mandalay Bay hotel, you can clearly see the missing Windows that are referenced in the video.

The windows are not missing and this is more than likely louvers for the ventilation system in the building. These massive buildings need a lot of ventilation equipment and often have many designated rooms, areas, or even floors that have serviceable equipment for ventilation, piping, and other aspects that keep buildings operating. Ventilation is not just limited to the roof.

I have personal experience in this field as I am a sheet metal worker and install such systems. Looking at the blueprints for the building would give a person a definite answer to this, although I have not seen them personally.

Also there is no way to remove a louver easily. It is a pretty pain staking ordeal and I would not think that there would be any way that somebody could access through it.

This video just tells me that some people are not doing their homework before making claims.

ETA: I forgot to mention that the photos themselves that you can see are clearly before the shooting and some are actually photos that the hotel are using in their advertisements.

a reply to: diggindirt
The pictures with the missing 3 windows on 2 levels, were the first pictures they were showing of where the incident was to have occurred.

It was early am when I saw the pictures well before 7:30 am, because my mother wasn't up yet. As far as I knew they were the only pictures, until I turned on the TV for my mother around 10am. That was when they were reporting on the incident on every channel and I saw the missing 2 windows on the same level picture for the first time.

It didn't seem that strange at the time, because earlier they were reporting multiple shooters, in multiple places. It wasn't until they started pushing the single shooter story, and only showing the missing 2 windows, same level pictures, that I started to second guess my memory, because I could not find the original pictures anywhere, until today.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: tiredoflooking
a reply to: yuppa

The sheriff said there were 200 plus rounds fired inside. He couldn't yet estimate the amount of rounds fired outside. He did say there were thousands of rounds left unfired in the room.

Way earlier in th ethread i posted info from a article that counted around 280 shots WITHIN 30 seconds into the crowd according to computer sound anaylyzation. That was way more than one single shooter put out without stopping to reload. thos ewere only 100 round mags. a modded ar-15 will deplete one of those in roughly 15 seconds at full tilt.
THEN he would had to switch to another gun or reload a new clip. there was no pause between the longest burst that was longer than 15 seconds.

I think it was letter organization deal/sting gone wrong.

And definitely more then one shooter. Earlier leo scanner reports were reporting more than one. I don't buy this skyscraper canyons playing with recordings and peoples ears. Been to the strip many times buildings aren't that high and they're pretty far apart because of nice inviting landscaping and parking spaces.

You tube videos show people spending mags after mags on modded up AR's until the gun breaks down and 20 round mags were emptied in like 4 seconds and them round mags, I think they were 50 or 60 round drums, were spent in about 8 or 9 seconds. In videos from MB, the shots were going off non-stop like 20 seconds at a time. So that makes me think military belt driven automatics of some sort.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: diggindirt
The pictures with the missing 3 windows on 2 levels, were the first pictures they were showing of where the incident was to have occurred.

It was early am when I saw the pictures well before 7:30 am, because my mother wasn't up yet. As far as I knew they were the only pictures, until I turned on the TV for my mother around 10am. That was when they were reporting on the incident on every channel and I saw the missing 2 windows on the same level picture for the first time.

It didn't seem that strange at the time, because earlier they were reporting multiple shooters, in multiple places. It wasn't until they started pushing the single shooter story, and only showing the missing 2 windows, same level pictures, that I started to second guess my memory, because I could not find the original pictures anywhere, until today.

Good catch!

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I have been looking into this by looking ar different images taken. There is one image that could look like the broken Windows are on different floores, but as far as i could tell these were only dark reflections on the glass?

a reply to: liejunkie01

Right. The video crew could have zoomed in on those 3 black rectangles and shown that they weren't
missing windows, but that wouldn't fit their HOAX.

a reply to: spy66
Why did they report these windows as the area where the shooting was coming from originally?

Some say they are air vents. Some say shadows.

Vents from where, and why in this location? Shadows or reflections of what?

I don't know why they switched pictures. It is just make me suspicious, as it is just one more thing that is odd about the incident.