Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

a reply to: Konduit

Word on the vine is that he worked as a gunrunner for the FBI/CIA for decades and this is a # up of epic proportion.

Word on the vine....really ?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: MysticPearl
This was posted somewhere else by an apparent LV cop. Who knows if true but it seems quite reasonable.

Hard to take seriously when they get his last name wrong?

You're the first person I've seen on ATS who has caught that.

Lol. I didn't see it.

I caught it when I first read it. I just assumed it was the persons auto correct changing Paddock to Pollock:

It seems after days of reading till my eyeballs bleed, that no matter what the reason for having all the guns or the nitrate etc nothing explains the shooting up of the festival goers

Arms deal gone wrong?? fair enough but who decided to shoot up the festival goers and why
Worked for the CIA as a gun runner? ok but again why shoot the people below
Brain Tumour? Again could be but he still had the where with all to plan this scenario meticulously gamble for hours on end, not alert his gf to his health problem, have no outward signs or symptoms and again no known motive for shooting up the people like he allegedly did
Meant to hit fuel tanks for JANET? possibly but does that mean that he missed and decided screw it I'll kill a ton of people instead? His shooting appears to be quite professional as does his set up with him managing to hit many moving targets and yet he couldn't hit fuel tanks?

Any of the theorised explanations do not tackle the main issue of his motive for shooting wildly at a crowd of music lovers

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

It was a packed venue.


Picking off targets with a bolt action at that distance, with deliberate and exacting precision, is somewhat different to mounting an industrial grade death machine on a bipod or tripod, and just hammering a given area with rounds, and seeing what sticks, which is precisely what automatic fire at that range is, unless you are talking about an automated system of some sort, with all manner of complicated recoil dampening, gyromounts, and targeting gear.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

My theory is that he was a narcissist and found out he was sick, then decided to go out with a bang. That or brain tumor or both.

How long did the Texas tower guy take to get to the point where he actually started shooting?

I think a lot of people want there to be some puppet master so we can ignore that there are just sickos like this out there, blame it on some unknown entity.

I've found a few things fishy, but really a lot of that is taking his brother at face value. Dude seemed drugged up and his behavior was bizarre, even given the situation.

All the multiple shooter stuff is entirely unconvincing to me.

Need to go over the timeline again because the security guard getting popped and the confusion around when swat actually got there still seems off, but it's almost 5 am and I'm tired.

Girlfriend stuff was weird, but it looks like they were talking about the wrong woman and she only had the one SSN. Plausible he sent her off and sent some cash to take care of her or her family. Even crazy weirdos can seem kind sometimes.

a reply to: Bluesma

Is the FBI analysing this possibility. A group of terrorists banged into Stephan Paddocks room, did the shooting, killed paddock, put his finger prints on the guns And escaped.
Paddock is just a poor man in the wrong room, he could have been anyone occupying that particular room.
Something is wrong, the number of rounds fired, sound of echos and all. No one is asking any questions, media is just like a brainless dog, eating whatever is fed to it.

a reply to: diabloman

So the 10 suitcases Paddock brought into his room were filled what? He checked out other hotels overlooking large outdoor events because...?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

is there CCTV evidence on him bringing the 10 suitcases, it will trigger alarm amongst security if he brings 10 suitcases filled with ammunition at once, or he must have bought each suitcase at different points of time. Easier is to 5 or more men to walk in, look normal, kick the starts out of paddock, shoot, leave the room.

Well, oh man, I need new eyes after keeping track of that thread for days!

Anyway, indeed there are some things that don't add up completely, now possibly we will get to tie things in as more info is released.
Just some points to ponder over..

Why was the link door between rooms 32-135 and 32-134 locked? Surely if he was running between 2 windows, that door would have been open.

From the image of the room with all the guns and body on the right, I do not see anywhere at the open window where there is a place that he set up the rifles on bipods...shouldn't there be some kind of table or support?

Looking at the panorama of the room from the link, I really fail to see why he needed the second room to shoot from. There are enough vantage points in the suite to accommodate various angles of fire..

Room Details

I'd like to see some images of room 32-134, as this is curious....

There seems no reason to need room 32-134 as even if the surveillance cameras were working, they would be better outside the suite door facing directly down the hall/corridor. If he had camera on the peep hole, then he would see straight down the corridor, no need for another 2 x cameras (as being reported) on the trolley outside 32-134. That wouldn't even give a view of the stairwell.

In this image, look beside the rifle on the ground, looks like the cable for the surveillance, as it wouldn't be a standard wire in a room or hotel like this...which suggests that the surveillance was needed, then why did they say that the equipment wasn't on? Why do all that and not bother to turn it on?

Entrance to Room 32-135

Speculating....was someone else in the next room 32-134? Think kinda like a sniper. Was there some intended targets? Maybe Paddock was the distraction for the other shooter taking out his target/s. Some say there was a couple of single shots right before the auto fire.....did someone in 32-134 lock the door on Paddock, when the plan was for leaving that way?

I don't buy the arms dealing or IS links.

Something doesn't seem right with the way this went down, and possibly we will never know the real timeline.

The releasing on more images would help, especially of room 32-134.

a reply to: diabloman

To date, any terrorist event has been joyfully carried out by the terrorists themselves and they've never used a patsy. They are happy to meet Allah and his virgins in heaven why would they want the blame on anyone else? ISIS are more than eager to claim responsibility for everything that happens they wouldn't want the publicity taken away from them

a reply to: celticniall

Why was the link door between rooms 32-135 and 32-134 locked? Surely if he was running between 2 windows, that door would have been open.

I thought the door was locked from the room that he wasn't in. If that is the case, who locked it? If it was him, that would mean that he would have locked it, then exited the room into the hallway and went back in the other room. Why would he have done that? You would not think he would have wanted to enter the hallway to present himself as a target for the police.
Were there any empty cases on the floor in Room 32-134?

a reply to: butcherguy

That's what I don't understand..

It was stated that he had both rooms booked, that one window in 32.135 and one window in 32-134 were broken and used for shooting.

It was also stated that SWAT breached the internal door between the two rooms as it was locked (not sure where exactly it was said, somewhere back a few pages in this thread)

So just doesn't make sense...

a reply to: celticniall

The only reason I can think of for it to have occurred the way we are being told that it did would be if the broke the window out in 32-134 first, looked out and didn't like the angle that he had to shoot from... then carried his guns over to the other room ... then locked the door between the rooms to give himself an added layer of security, exited 32-134 via the hallway and entered 32- 135 to break out the other window and start shooting.

Seems pretty contrived though... especially when the guy was said to have planned this thing out so meticulously. Right?

a reply to: butcherguy

It wouldn't really make sense to be there for days, and not know which window/s you were going to use....I mean, he would hardly break a window and then decide he didn't like that view?

I dunno, then again, we probably aren't dealing with a rational person here.

I still don't see the "nest" though either. Would he have been lying on the floor with the rifle and bi-pod and shooting that way (sniper type position) ?

a reply to: celticniall

Just playing with some thoughts here... IF we assume there was a second shooter in 32-134, and IF we assume that second shooter was an actual sniper while the shooter in room 32-135 was spraying bullets, then maybe it is time to look into the victims. What would be a better cover than a mass shooting to snipe someone of importance down?

Like I said just a wild theory in absence of ANY info on motives

I don't mean no disrespect for any of the victims of course, that goes without saying

a reply to: celticniall

There is a whole lot to this that makes no sense.
Having thousands of rounds of ammo and then only firing for a short time.
Having a thick wallet that he spent freely from to get the rifles that he did, then putting bumpfire stocks on that run reliably only if you are proficient with them AND lucky. Bumpfire stocks and bipods don't go together.
Where would he had set the legs of the bipods anyway?
If I were to have been shooting from that window, I would have put a sandbag on the windowsill (at least a pillow) and laid the gun on it to steady it and keep me down low, making myself a smaller target.

a reply to: diabloman

Did those terrorists also fly to Reno and Mesquite and plant a ton of guns? Did they also go to his car and dump 1600 rounds? What about buying 20+ guns over the last two years in his name?

Man these are some crazy smart terrorists.

a reply to: mzinga

Theres only one terrorist outfit I have ever heard of that could backstop a story in that fashion, and make it stick. That terrorist organisation, would be the intelligence community of the United States of America.

a reply to: butcherguy

You know what else doesn't make sense? The lack of updates- it's been a while since the last press conference...