Lifting the Veil - An Invitation

a reply to: eisegesis

LOL i have just googled what MMM is and looks like i have downloaded a chapter from this book (months ago) its on my desktop and the folder name is liber_MMM haha i love synchronicity.... still dont trust yous though lol
paranormal.se...

its a short read, but relevant

btw, do you know anything about the humans that have definitive red marks on their skins?[

a reply to: SaturnsSon

Liber MMM is part of Liber Null, by Pete Caroll.
One of the foundation documents of the IOT, the Pact and Chaos Magic in general.

originally posted by: 0bserver1
I'm also not familiar with the terms Hylozoism as I just looked into them, and as the first words that I do understand gave me the understanding that there are many ways to obtain a state of being. And as you say it's up to that person itself to understand if they agree what they experience themselves, if I understood that you meant to say?

I don't think so. I'm not sure what you mean by "agree". If you are standing in a field with nothing but the clothes on your back and it starts to rain you are going to get wet, whether you agree with it or not.

There seems to be an uprising of personal mentality and a collision between the oppressed and the oppressors so here we got two groups one that doesn't have the material strength to raise them to equality and the other side that doesn't want to share their material strength with a lower side of societies.

Here you are talking politics and materialism. If the soul is "eternal" and above the temporary needs of the body then what difference do cultural or economic inequality make?

So as I was reading into Hylozoism I think to see that in those days the gods played a major role in human society something you cant actually see but was so profound and real for that time one can hardly deny anymore that there seemed to be some truth behind it all as of all the cultural gods could have been true as well. Only a part of those cultural philosophies has been accepted in our modern societies as maybe truthful and has been recorded in our history and even excepted within the scientific world as of in holy scriptures from different religions.

So then merely think that it's not a matter of surreal anymore as of real because we do acknowledge them in science and holy scriptures that these etheric beings are well described from human society and from only convincing others in that time that they existed otherwise it would never be known until this day.

As in " Nobody believes something directly for they can't see what has been preached about?" This says to me that it happened not only from bedtime stories but from real physical stories of people who probably have witnessed something so large that maybe thousands of humans had witnessed it in that time period not even backed up by photographic evidence as we see nowadays as only painted on paintings and monumental structures?

You seem to have gone from searching for "the truth" to accepting that everything might be true. Does that really change anything?

a reply to: Mandy555

Yes i linked part of it i think, and it was to be my next book when i have finished prometheus rising. i will tell you another synchronicity i found with P J carrol

my middle name is a j and when i looked him up after being led to his book he had the same birthday as me, elvis, bowie, kim yong un and stephen hawking... i always look up what birthday the person i am learning about has!

a reply to: Mandy555

The MMM stuff was a much higher grade than me, but I was aware of some it.

So... are we here to "lift the veil" or what?

Manifesto of the M∴M∴M∴ - Download (with preview)

I got out, and even though they still keep tabs on me, I'm staying out.

Yeah, they're keeping "tabs" on me as well.

originally posted by: eisegesis
So... are we here to "lift the veil" or what?

If the MMM do their fees in terms of 11's then they are just so lame.

With that level of intellect, there is no hope for the NWO.

Oh and

"invitation from the governing body concerned"

when rising above III. Rules and regulations dictate the rate of rising.

Lucifer controls from the top and selling ones soul is a necessity.

a reply to: daskakik

Thanks. I didn’t watch the ghost/bug video — thread had been derailed by then — so that about sums up my perspective as it relates. It’s interesting you described/perceived a shapeless blob during your most ‘personal’ encounter, am I to understand the other angel/demon entities had distinguishing forms and/or symbols? It was a subjective encounter, but were able to differentiate the angel and demon based off objectively agreed upon forms and/or symbols (i.e. enough people agree what a cross looks like and it’s syblomic connotation; the dangerous label with skull and bones is recognized worldwide)? Appreciate the genuine reply*. I am genuinely interested to hear your answer(s).

*I do not have a vested interest in this thread, but if you cared to get it back on track maybe we could toss it a life-line with discussion of symbolism regarding your experiences?

originally posted by: Mandy555
OBEs were what the SVV were after from me.
I was pressured into those practices because they said I had a talent for it. 'a gift'. Very flattering.

They targeted me because I had posted on here, ATS, about sleep paralysis, and other things I had experienced.

I was reluctant because I had found it a horrendous experience.

However,like I say, I was targeted, and flattered, and encouraged. I was also promised various benefits from the practice, 'once I had learned to deal with the guardians of the astral realm, and moved on into the enochian spheres.

Now, I find THIS interesting.
Do you mind elaborating on this a bit more? (I understand if you do)

Did they give you their take on sleep paralysis?
Are these "guardians" the same entities as Shadow Beings, and what exactly is supposed to be involved when "dealing with them"?
Also where can I find your SP posts?

Thanks

a reply to: daskakik

I don't think so. I'm not sure what you mean by "agree". If you are standing in a field with nothing but the clothes on your back and it starts to rain you are going to get wet, whether you agree with it or not.

Agree within oneself for experiencing things considered to the higher spiritual self perhaps.

Here you are talking politics and materialism. If the soul is "eternal" and above the temporary needs of the body then what difference do cultural or economic inequality make?

The soul may be eternal but the body sure does and thus the soul live in an oppressed manufactured state of being.
For those who do not know what they really are will experience a lifetime of fear or depression and dying is out of the question if one doesn't know what death could be? otherwise, he would rather go to the afterlife or spiritual soul/form to not experience their oppressed lives and be a soul in the full spiritual realm.

Now if you're denied that part because " the governments" can't earn a dime from you while you're dead then yes you can say that's the system causing a body and a spirit to live a miserable short period of time until they pop out of their bodies and say " hey, why did I've been told earlier?"

You seem to have gone from searching for "the truth" to accepting that everything might be true. Does that really change anything?

what did we not achieve through time that' first became a dream and in the end become fact, in almost everything if not everything we now see today?

But there are things we didn't finish not for that they couldn't be done but because there was no financial reason to pursue it...

originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: Mandy555

The MMM stuff was a much higher grade than me, but I was aware of some it.

So... are we here to "lift the veil" or what?

Manifesto of the M∴M∴M∴ - Download (with preview)

I got out, and even though they still keep tabs on me, I'm staying out.

Yeah, they're keeping "tabs" on me as well.

The department of convolution used to use the MMM initials.
I don't know if they still do. It made certain connections (Crowley, chaos, etc) too obvious.

One part of what I was doing was to take magickally charged symbols to places of power and to place them there, at ritually signigicant places and times.

As I am British they were particularly interested in places like stone circles.
And also churches. They wanted their sigils placed in churches.
The older the church the better, as old churches are on places of power.

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
It’s interesting you described/perceived a shapeless blob during your most ‘personal’ encounter, am I to understand the other angel/demon entities had distinguishing forms and/or symbols?

I would say that the distinguishing features are light/dark. Also the feeling that they provoke. The light beings cause warmth, confort and security and the dark ones cause chills and fear.

It was a subjective encounter, but were able to differentiate the angel and demon based off objectively agreed upon forms and/or symbols

That only happens after the fact. What I'm saying is that what I experienced fits what someone else has described. Even if they call it an angel, a pleiadian, or their god of choice it might be the same thing.

At the time of my first encounter with the light being I was a christian and if you had asked me then I would have told you that I had seen god and that it was an obvious sign that I had to get his message out. That, of course, was something I inferred and added due to my cultural upbringing.

originally posted by: 0bserver1
Agree within oneself for experiencing things considered to the higher spiritual self perhaps.

You asked if that was what I meant and it wasn't that. I was speaking of the pure semantics of the info on Hylozoism compared to what I experienced.

The soul may be eternal but the body sure does and thus the soul live in an oppressed manufactured state of being.
For those who do not know what they really are will experience a lifetime of fear or depression and dying is out of the question if one doesn't know what death could be? otherwise, he would rather go to the afterlife or spiritual soul/form to not experience their oppressed lives and be a soul in the full spiritual realm.

Supposedly, once you die the veil is lifted and if you decide to come back it is by choice.

Now if you're denied that part because " the governments" can't earn a dime from you while you're dead then yes you can say that's the system causing a body and a spirit to live a miserable short period of time until they pop out of their bodies and say " hey, why did I've been told earlier?"

How would an earthly government pull that off? Why would an etheric hierarchy allow that?

what did we not achieve through time that' first became a dream and in the end become fact, in almost everything if not everything we now see today?

But there are things we didn't finish not for that they couldn't be done but because there was no financial reason to pursue it...

I wasn't talking about things but about ideas. Saying all the myths might be true doesn't really get you closer to the truth. Especially if all the myths are false.

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Mandy555
OBEs were what the SVV were after from me.
I was pressured into those practices because they said I had a talent for it. 'a gift'. Very flattering.

They targeted me because I had posted on here, ATS, about sleep paralysis, and other things I had experienced.

I was reluctant because I had found it a horrendous experience.

However,like I say, I was targeted, and flattered, and encouraged. I was also promised various benefits from the practice, 'once I had learned to deal with the guardians of the astral realm, and moved on into the enochian spheres.

Now, I find THIS interesting.
Do you mind elaborating on this a bit more? (I understand if you do)

Did they give you their take on sleep paralysis?
Are these "guardians" the same entities as Shadow Beings, and what exactly is supposed to be involved when "dealing with them"?
Also where can I find your SP posts?

Thanks

This thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That was January, before I heard of the SVV.

As for the guardians...
Tbh, I always thought of them as demons, but the SVV said that they are the dwellers on the threshold. They guard the astral realms.
I was told that I could be taught skills tomdeal with them and get past them.

But I don't think they meant defeating it, more like making some kind of deal with it.

This seemed to do with the progression through the enochian Aethyrs.

a reply to: daskakik

I wasn't talking about things but about ideas. Saying all the myths might be true doesn't really get you closer to the truth. Especially if all the myths are false.

You still have doubts about that?

originally posted by: 0bserver1
You still have doubts about that?

No, I know they are all false.

originally posted by: Mandy555

originally posted by: Ruiner1978

originally posted by: Mandy555
OBEs were what the SVV were after from me.
I was pressured into those practices because they said I had a talent for it. 'a gift'. Very flattering.

They targeted me because I had posted on here, ATS, about sleep paralysis, and other things I had experienced.

I was reluctant because I had found it a horrendous experience.

However,like I say, I was targeted, and flattered, and encouraged. I was also promised various benefits from the practice, 'once I had learned to deal with the guardians of the astral realm, and moved on into the enochian spheres.

Now, I find THIS interesting.
Do you mind elaborating on this a bit more? (I understand if you do)

Did they give you their take on sleep paralysis?
Are these "guardians" the same entities as Shadow Beings, and what exactly is supposed to be involved when "dealing with them"?
Also where can I find your SP posts?

Thanks

This thread here
www.abovetopsecret.com...
That was January, before I heard of the SVV.

As for the guardians...
Tbh, I always thought of them as demons, but the SVV said that they are the dwellers on the threshold. They guard the astral realms.
I was told that I could be taught skills tomdeal with them and get past them.

But I don't think they meant defeating it, more like making some kind of deal with it.

This seemed to do with the progression through the enochian Aethyrs.

They certainly do come across as demonic. They radiate pure, unadulterated malevolence.

I'm not sure I'd want anything to do with people who claim they can make deals with these nasty entities either.

Sod that...

a reply to: Mandy555

They guard the astral realms.
I was told that I could be taught skills tomdeal with them and get past them.

That's pretty mysterious Manny, as I've experienced The Astral like maybe two or three times and one very intense I did hear them or not really hearing but showing in feelings as what I can think of your experience them talk comfort to me . I was still in my house and thought to walk the stairs down to my suprise my feet were gone and my arms too.

I opened the backdoor without using any limbs.
I felt comfort about humanity if they knew what they were . They never showed themselves to me but man they were very persueding in convincing me everthing would be just fine with humanity.

Finally I could join my body again and could see my hands and feet again.

I never really crossed galaxies as some seem to do.
Maybe I was to cautious for what just happened because I was in full awareness and walked right out of my body in a state of deep sadness because I saw my future but couldn't really stop it .

And yes it all happened after that .


a reply to: daskakik
Ohw , that's a shame , thought you did had a tiny piece of the cake there?

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: daskakik
Ohw , that's a shame , thought you did had a tiny piece of the cake there?

I thought that would be your reaction. Can't you be wrong?

They were also interested in the psychic protection I mentioned in that thread.

When I told them I had created a servitor to drive the demon away they were very interested in that too.

Egregores, thought forms, servitors.

They had people planting the sigils everywhere, memeing them on the internet, physically placing them in real and virtual locations, and also on the astral plane.

There was a lot of interest in kaballah and golems. Particularly virtual golems on the net as an expression of an egregore.

Weird stuff.

Play the SVV game!
Get hacked, doxed and mind f*cked.

a reply to: daskakik

It wasn't harmfully intended, but I wish you had had it for once that's all .
On second thought how would you know my reaction are you clairvoyant?