Lifting the Veil - An Invitation

a reply to: daskakik

now that is interesting i have seen a picture where many elitist have had some sort of surgery to their left eye, i wonder if it is related, i will post the pic later, but here is an article with them with the "injury i speak of.

www.henrymakow.com...

originally posted by: 0bserver1
Now back to your quote, it seems that you're interested in learning the knoledge,but also obstruct mind if you encounter or read something that doesn't fully radiate your thoughts of how it could be so?

My thoughts are set in silly putty. My mind is open but there are so many ideas out there which have a pinch of truth, they sound interesting but you have to stand back look at them objectively and apply some sort of "standard".

I had never heard of Hylozoism until kennyb72 brought it up in another thread. Went as far as clicking on the link they posted, didn't look at it at all. Today I took a light gaze upon it. Right off the bat I saw the idea of reality being composed of 3 things; matter, motion and consciousness. I liked that, it resonated for a second but, there is always a but, the OBE that I mentioned earlier ended with "my consciousness" somewhere with no matter and no motion, so when I read on that site that none of those three things can exist without the others I thought, I experienced one without the other two.

Ok, I was outside myself, outside reality, that could be the answer. Does that mean it wasn't real? It felt real to me, does that count? Maybe those writing about Hylozoism never experienced what I did so they feel confident in stating what they stated and it made sense to them but I have to question it.

originally posted by: kennyb72
I'm not defending the presentation of this thread, I will defend the Laurency material though, you have to study and understand it to truly comment on it.

I didn't mean to equate the two. I was just saying that my inquisitive nature applies to them equally.

I always enjoy a conversation on this subject, I find it delightfully uplifting. I am not someone who enjoys arguing though and I am not coming from a place of ego,

This is knowledge that can raise a mans spirit and something I would like to share, so others too can be uplifted by it.

I sense negativity coming my way from your responses and I will do what I always do. I will withdraw from it and leave you to your own beliefs, its not my place to convince you of anything.

Have an awesome and wonderful eternal journey friend, I really mean that.

I believe you. This isn't about you or me. This is about the information. I believe that you can see that when I shared information that Monroe offered, which I couldn't corroborate, I said so. Not that my corroboration might make it any more valid, it would just be another subjective take on things.

a reply to: SaturnsSon

Yeah...

So I thought, hey, rather than randomly surf the web, lets have a look at that video you posted. Interesting looking chap...

Wha? Is what he's saying for real? I showed Mrs. Crow and she snorted with derision. I decided, hey, lets stop looking at Reddit for a mo and give this bloke's stuff a go. Guess what?

It didn't work.

I snorted with derision but reprimanded myself as I was, in fact, at least curious. I should have known better.

a reply to: MrCrow

are you talking about sigil magick?.... there is a full video where he says that it can be within 3 day 3 weeks or 3 months and it depends on the thing you WILL. it can't go against the will of another, and it is important that you forget about it, so prob not a good idea to post stuff about it, because thats not forgetting about it, i know it works for me, but i have done it a couple of times and Willed something each time that was unusual, to test it, but i am newish to this.. i say new but the way of thinking they talk about has always been like mine.

a reply to: daskakik

I'm also not familiar with the terms Hylozoism as I just looked into them, and as the first words that I do understand gave me the understanding that there are many ways to obtain a state of being. And as you say it's up to that person itself to understand if they agree what they experience themselves, if I understood that you meant to say?

Nobody really can do that for you here or ever. I also can't explain when or how I begun to see more then maybe others as I'm definitely not selling it rather then to find a solution for those struggling with the effect that seems to strike different cultures and people from every layer of society, whom I think are collectively bare this burden called equality and self-esteemed personalities in the negative as in destruction of those who are the opposite of their realm and those Who are wanting the same freedom as those who can buy that freedom.

There seems to be an uprising of personal mentality and a collision between the oppressed and the oppressors so here we got two groups one that doesn't have the material strength to raise them to equality and the other side that doesn't want to share their material strength with a lower side of societies.

So here we are standing at the crossroads of material and etheric imo? The only path between them is suggestively four directions.

Those who have a strong bond with equality and the unity of mankind to share commonwealth. Those who are already there but can't face all the atrocities, those who don't' dare to chose and those who want the earth for themselves and put mankind to slavery and those who are extremely motivated to achieve their goal to equality no matter the costs are probably forgotten a few but maybe you get the point somehow.

Now we're all attracted to this phenomenon wherever we stand and nobody really knows here what every single identity really is searching for other than to learn from others here that seems for some rather impossible and others a daily survival and some for experimental reasons whatsoever.

I'm not going to point out any individual who wants to understand the bigger picture or no picture at all , but if i'm looking at the world today most of the people are sick and tired of wars that are being played on the material and three-dimensional plane of our existence , because for some there's no other way it seems ( what you see is real effect) but we also use technologies that can see beyond and how could it be possible that a biological form as we, us humans are capable of doing this by ourselves ?

It's the same question I sometimes ask if I look at the animal world for example, how is possible that a dolphin can sonar imaging offspring from their families and other, or how a shark manage to sniff blood miles away from one drop of blood?

or how a squid/octopus can blend in like if he's wearing harry potters cloak?

All natural signs that we as humans have hidden abilities and characteristics other than having hands to build houses or make music?

So as I was reading into Hylozoism I think to see that in those days the gods played a major role in human society something you cant actually see but was so profound and real for that time one can hardly deny anymore that there seemed to be some truth behind it all as of all the cultural gods could have been true as well. Only a part of those cultural philosophies has been accepted in our modern societies as maybe truthful and has been recorded in our history and even excepted within the scientific world as of in holy scriptures from different religions.

So then merely think that it's not a matter of surreal anymore as of real because we do acknowledge them in science and holy scriptures that these etheric beings are well described from human society and from only convincing others in that time that they existed otherwise it would never be known until this day.

As in " Nobody believes something directly for they can't see what has been preached about?" This says to me that it happened not only from bedtime stories but from real physical stories of people who probably have witnessed something so large that maybe thousands of humans had witnessed it in that time period not even backed up by photographic evidence as we see nowadays as only painted on paintings and monumental structures?

Doesn't history repeat itself as many Scientists see within archeology from then until now? as gravitational waves flow across the galaxy history flows through time?

a reply to: kennyb72

who are you kennyb you have been here since 2009 but you havent been that active just looking at the numbers, but the stuff you are saying is resonating with me, i have noticed a few like you sprouting out like some sort of sleeper cell, here and on twitter, it is high strangeness, my synchronicities are on the up also, exciting times!!

i have been had "the red book" since xmas i have been eager to read it, but it is a beautiful book, cost a lot of money, but i want to keep it good till the time is right to read, i feel the time maybe right now!

a reply to: SaturnsSon

who are you kennyb you have been here since 2009 but you havent been that active just looking at the numbers, but the stuff you are saying is resonating with me, i have noticed a few like you sprouting out like some sort of sleeper cell, here and on twitter, it is high strangeness, my synchronicities are on the up also, exciting times!!

Nobody in particular SaturnsSon, but I experience synchronicities all the time, I believe I am guided in everything I do and I look out for signs. Its how I live my life now.

I have never read any of Jung's material, how odd! from what I understand now, it would make fascinating reading. From my understanding he is able to become objectively aware of Maya and play out all his fantasies, then have them appear completely real to him. there are also elements of clairvoyance which could also appear, manifest.

It is exactly what happens in Maya and why the recently deceased require a period of orientation before re-aquainting themselves to a place all of our souls know very well. He was OOBing on command. I am not sure you will attain much spiritual insight from it though, not a lot is know in the Astral.

OBEs were what the SVV were after from me.
I was pressured into those practices because they said I had a talent for it. 'a gift'. Very flattering.

They targeted me because I had posted on here, ATS, about sleep paralysis, and other things I had experienced.

I was reluctant because I had found it a horrendous experience.

However,like I say, I was targeted, and flattered, and encouraged. I was also promised various benefits from the practice, 'once I had learned to deal with the guardians of the astral realm, and moved on into the enochian spheres.

I was also told that I had to learn it because if I died while on the astral plane then I would be able to 'move on'. But if I died in the normal way I would be tied to the earth for another cycle.

It disturbs me that these subjects are being raised again here, because the obvious conclusion is that one should plan their exit so they could be in the astral at the moment of death.

Like with the kool aide or something.

a reply to: Mandy555

John Gripp wanted me to contact him on the twitter.
I was like hell naw.
i think they are harvesting souls to be used as batteries in their bid to rewrite reality to suit their needs both astrally and physically.
Lucky you got out when you did.

a reply to: dashen

Thanks. Yeah, I'm not even going to be looking at the data dump.
I got out, and even though they still keep tabs on me, I'm staying out.

You did the right thing.
I was a fool.

a reply to: Mandy555

Thanks, Mandy.

Did they share any M∴M∴M∴ material with you and are you familiar with the OFS?

I was also told that I had to learn it because if I died while on the astral plane then I would be able to 'move on'. But if I died in the normal way I would be tied to the earth for another cycle.

It disturbs me that these subjects are being raised again here, because the obvious conclusion is that one should plan their exit so they could be in the astral at the moment of death.

This is true. It's a part of the Great Work.

originally posted by: SaturnsSon
a reply to: daskakik

now that is interesting i have seen a picture where many elitist have had some sort of surgery to their left eye, i wonder if it is related, i will post the pic later, but here is an article with them with the "injury i speak of.

www.henrymakow.com...

Now that is weird. I don't like the idea of a soul being trapped in a box. But I guess that is what they mean when they "sell" their's. Better them than me. I will happily live in my little apartment with not a lot of money and keep mine.

originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: Mandy555

Thanks, Mandy.

Did they share any M∴M∴M∴ material with you and are you familiar with the OFS?

I was also told that I had to learn it because if I died while on the astral plane then I would be able to 'move on'. But if I died in the normal way I would be tied to the earth for another cycle.

It disturbs me that these subjects are being raised again here, because the obvious conclusion is that one should plan their exit so they could be in the astral at the moment of death.

This is true. It's a part of the Great Work.

MMM, yes, some.
OFS. No, I don't think I know what that was.

I never got very high. I was the same there as I am here. Irritable, irritating, often drunk.
Also very resistant to being told what to believe.

The MMM stuff was a much higher grade than me, but I was aware of some it.

a reply to: kennyb72

In the red book he contacts different spirits/energies over the course of a decade or something,
locking himself away in this time i believe, i like the idea that the astral is the unconscious...
and death is something else.

cheers for the reply, all the best.

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

it is strange they all have the same injury to the same place, other CTs point to it being MK ultra related!

Cheers

a reply to: eisegesis

i know that the date was given as the 22nd and it has past, but do you have an idea when the gen pop
will start experiencing things of a "paranormal" nature??

a reply to: eisegesis

Actually, OFS

If that's the connection with the Roman Catholic Church, then no.
I heard a whisper or two, but that was all.

My area was occult correspondences, sigil workings, astral projection stuff.
All very low level.

a reply to: eisegesis
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The deadline is October 22

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Was this a local thingy or was this supposed to be a major wopper World event ?

Question: Is the current veil maintained due to physical objects that exist that are 'supposed' to protect people ?

I've got the feeling somebody talked about us on the coast to coast AM, not sure but it sounded like they did talk about this thread I couldn't really say for sure because I could not hear the entire show only thirty seconds or so?