ICE arrests parents at Childs hospital before surgery but that is not my concern

a reply to: luthier

Because I don't give a S****. I don't care that a bunch of people got together at some point in the past and decided to call a certain tract of land theirs and gave it a name. I don't care that one side is legal and the other means you are illegal.

What a f***ing joke.

a reply to: AboveBoard

The child is till getting the operation, correct?

Is your argument that the U.S. taxpayer must treat every suck kid in the world and allow their parents to live here?

There are plenty of citizens of this country that need homes, food, health care, etc.

Why don't we fix those problems before dealing with the rest of the world.

a reply to: SR1TX

We like to call it the Trump Cabal. Criminal corporate thugs are the real enemy of our country!

a reply to: Grambler

The US tax payer had to bail out the sick banks and continue to have to bail out other massive organizations like the insurance companies from going under.

Tell me my fellow human being.. Why should I care that 30 grand or more need go to a child in need who has no idea. vs giving it to Banks that don't deserve it?

a reply to: SR1TX

That's awesome! Keep up human exploitation!

a reply to: luthier

I know right? Like using sick children and their parents like political footballs and keeping do nothing ICE employees in a job.

Such a wonderful nation!!

a reply to: matafuchs

My wife, first generation immigration who is not yet a citizen, says it's about time. She wants all illegals gone.

I'll give a damn when other countries are held to the same standards.

a reply to: SR1TX

Well by that line of thinking we should not respect borders, so if the USA wants to claim all of another country they can.

And your house is a free for all. You have no claim. If a child molester wants to stay in your child's room they have every right.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

HAHAHAHA

Respect borders???

Yeah..because you know we are SOOOO good at that around the World with other countries that we feel need a dose of our freedom right??

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: whyamIhere

So that means Hillary, Trump, Obama, Bush are going to Jail?

Yes?

I mean, since we are on the subject of "Enforcing the Law"

right?

Remember? The law doesn't apply to them

a reply to: matafuchs

My issue with "undocumented immigrants" is this.

Do you honestly think that you can go to another country illegally (as in most countries entering the country with the intent to violate immigration laws in and of itself is a crime), continue to break additional laws by *simply being there*, and then expect to NOT end up in jail?

FFS people, grow up.

You wouldn't like it if I moved into your garage and set myself up to live there, would you? I don't care what the motivation of the "undocumented immigrant" is, it is violating the law. I'd pay GOOD money to see how those who disagree would react to having these "immigrants" decide to just come and camp out in their back yard.

Seriously, how do you think they'd react?

Got news for you, suddenly the label would be "trespasser" and not "undocumented immigrant".

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

The child is till getting the operation, correct?

Is your argument that the U.S. taxpayer must treat every suck kid in the world and allow their parents to live here?

There are plenty of citizens of this country that need homes, food, health care, etc.

Why don't we fix those problems before dealing with the rest of the world.

Don't put arguments in my mouth, Grambler.
There is something called " humanitarian aid" and there is something called compassion and another called mercy.

They require us as human beings to think outside our current structures which so often are bereft of the very values that make us worth the oxygen we breathe and the spiritual self we embody.

We can seek to balance. That is always what I advocate for. Balance. A path that neglects neither spiritual values nor practical realities in the creation and enforcement of laws.

completely horrible, this makes me ashamed of my country.

a reply to: Grambler

Yep. I find really immoral when they use a baby to fix their situation.

a reply to: matafuchs

I have a wild and rampant disregard for "the law". I see "the law" as being an inconvenience to my day, as I act how I want regardless of the law.

Honestly, that is how it should be. A sane, reasonable person won't do things that hurt others. Its how the majority of us go through life, rarely or never considering the legality of our actions.

So when we talk about "illegal" in this case, I can't help but shrug and keep tending this field full of craps that Im not going to give.

Im not fond of the verbiage used in that article, as it makes it obvious that it is more about front loading the audience with emotionally charged rhetoric. "Anti-immigration crusade" is a great example. I don't think Trump is against immigration. I think he is more for improving our economic condition. And its hardly a crusade for the executive branch to execute the laws they are tasked with.

I don't think negatively about Trump because of his views on immigration and illegal immigration. I think negatively about him for other reasons, but not this one. That said, i disagree with protectionism as it helped create the Great Depression and 2 world wars.

originally posted by: fiverx313
completely horrible, this makes me ashamed of my country.

Really? This is what it took?

The tens of thousands of innocents we bombed into ash over the last 15 years didn't do it?

originally posted by: SR1TX
a reply to: Grambler

The US tax payer had to bail out the sick banks and continue to have to bail out other massive organizations like the insurance companies from going under.

Tell me my fellow human being.. Why should I care that 30 grand or more need go to a child in need who has no idea. vs giving it to Banks that don't deserve it?

m banks also shouldn't have been bailed out, I agree.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

The child is till getting the operation, correct?

Is your argument that the U.S. taxpayer must treat every suck kid in the world and allow their parents to live here?

There are plenty of citizens of this country that need homes, food, health care, etc.

Why don't we fix those problems before dealing with the rest of the world.

Yes. According to the OP's article, the border agents escorted the family to the hospital in Corpus Christi, where the baby was to have the surgery. Then, they were individually taken to the Border Patrol station, processed, then allowed to return to the hospital. Once they were both processed, they were allowed to remain with their baby through the surgery, if I'm understanding correctly.

The agent said they officers could escort the couple to the Corpus Christi hospital for their son to get his surgery, but that they would be arrested the moment they arrived and face deportation proceedings. As any parent would, the couple agreed.

What followed were two straight days of constant surveillance by Border Patrol agents, who Sanchez said never left their sides, asking Irma to keep the door open while she breast-fed and following him to the hospital cafeteria. They were arrested and separately taken to the local Border Patrol station to be booked before being allowed to return to their baby’s side. Sanchez asked the doctor to delay the operation until both he and his wife could be at the hospital.

I am sure the taxpayers paid for this surgery, but, when it comes to a baby with a life threatening condition, I have no problem picking up the tab once they are here. I could never allow any child to do without needed medical treatments, although our own citizens do sometimes.

Tighter border security is a must. The Wall is a must. Cracking down on illegal hiring practices is a must. Deportation of those here illegally is a must. Finding and deporting people that overstay their visas is a must. Supporting the ICE agents and Border Patrol agents that are doing their jobs is a must.

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: AboveBoard

The child is till getting the operation, correct?

Is your argument that the U.S. taxpayer must treat every suck kid in the world and allow their parents to live here?

There are plenty of citizens of this country that need homes, food, health care, etc.

Why don't we fix those problems before dealing with the rest of the world.

Don't put arguments in my mouth, Grambler.
There is something called " humanitarian aid" and there is something called compassion and another called mercy.

They require us as human beings to think outside our current structures which so often are bereft of the very values that make us worth the oxygen we breathe and the spiritual self we embody.

We can seek to balance. That is always what I advocate for. Balance. A path that neglects neither spiritual values nor practical realities in the creation and enforcement of laws.

Ok the child got the operation.

What balance would you suggest?