For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: madenusa

Cite where the jet was vaporized!


There was recognizable jet wreckage in the pentagon.

www.rense.com...

Photos Of Flt 77 Wreckage
Inside The Pentagon
Exclusive Photos & Story
From Sarah Roberts
[email protected]
12-4-2

Conclusion

Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th.

www.rense.com... all the pieces of plain wreckage charred heaps of scrap.
The footage of the pictures say "A good place to look for plane wreckage is around structural columns which tore the plane into pieces as it entered" I don't see any meat and bones....
Who benefited? Who had foreknowledge? Who picked the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 to be out of their office.
For something like these attacks to be a big planed out murder for political gain.it would take a group of people to pull it off and On a moral level like any group of people there are the ones that cant keep a secret, maybe on there death bed the truth will be told..

a reply to: madenusa

Here is the link again.

Photos Of Flt 77 Wreckage
Inside The Pentagon
Exclusive Photos & Story
From Sarah Roberts
[email protected]
12-4-2
www.rense.com...

The phots clearly shows identifiable parts of the jet.
False argument by you.

The trial for Moussaoui showed photos of bodies at the pentagon if you care for that morbid path.

All you have is false arguments.

And yes, high speed collisions are devastating.

Plane modifications led to Reno air race crash.
m.youtube.com...

Like to cite how the jet impact at the pentagon was inconsistent?

a reply to: madenusa

Just for you again....
And I do not agree with scientist for 9/11 Truth on the WTC....


Note: Funny the WTC 7 evolution pushed by EA 9/11 Truth has missed the draft release date for public comment back in November. With no explanation. But the donate button on the site still works.

Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate
911truth.org...


Conclusion

Despite the clear evidence and its analysis using the scientific method of large plane impact, a substantial portion of the 9/11 truth movement, including accepted leaders and those involved in major organizations, continues to publicly endorse, adhere to, or promulgate talks, writings and films on false Pentagon hypotheses. Some simply offer criticisms and reject or ignore evidence that would bring closure to the argument. There is clear evidence by way of disintegrating truth groups that these endorsements and communications are injurious to the movement. Public feedback shows that the false Pentagon hypotheses undermine public acceptance of other highly credible scientific findings, such as the demolitions of the Twin Towers and Building 7 (WTC7) in New York City.

Most rank and file members of the 9/11 truth movement take their cues on the Pentagon from well-known speakers, writers, and acknowledged leaders of the movement. The quickest way to end the ongoing damage to the movement’s credibility and bring closure would be for these prominent individuals to publicly repudiate their former endorsements, views, and statements on the Pentagon event and acknowledge the scientific method and its conclusion of large plane impact. In the absence of public repudiations, the damage caused by false Pentagon hypotheses is likely to continue indefinitely, even if those who fueled their spread cease to promote them. Consequently, the surest way to end the debate and enhance the credibility of the movement is for each individual to study, without bias or prejudice, the evidence for themselves.

The recent papers by scientists, engineers and others showing large plane impact at the Pentagon have been collected together on a website that invites feedback and discussion. Comments can be sent to the Scientific Method 9/11 website which specifically invites feedback on many of the papers listed below.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit


If you are familiar with the testimony of one William Rodriguez who worked in the towers, a better question might be "What caused the massive explosion in the basement levels that happened just moments before the airplane struck".

And another might be "Why did the 911 Commission take the testimony of Rodriguez behind closed doors, and why was his testimony excluded from the final report?"

Was it because the Commission was "set up to fail" as its 2 leaders have stated?

a reply to: neutronfluxI've watched you come up with a explanation to every theory that people across the board presents.
Bash some truth movement, splintering over dozens of theories which I don't fallow.
with all your homework what do you really think happened that day?
Please don't tell me its the official story ill have to say your getting payed to say that..lol

originally posted by: opethPA
It seems like common sense to me but Conspiracy Theorists get stuck on the "jet fuel cant melt steel" idea.
For a collapse to occur it doesn't need to melt steel, it only needs to weaken it enough to make a collapse possible.

Not only that, but there was also a bellows effect going on up there with air rushing into the building through the broken window and other openings.

I mean, how did ancient iron age people's melt iron with just wood/charcoal fires?

Just like ancient people could melt metal with nothing more that burning charcoal and a bellows (with the oxygen introduced by the bellows making the charcoal fire hotter than it otherwise would be, the jet fuel could burn much hotter than it otherwise would because of the bellows effect.

a reply to: neutronflux How can we pull the truth out of 9/11 if we are pulling in different directions?

originally posted by: madenusa
a reply to: neutronflux How can we pull the truth out of 9/11 if we are pulling in different directions?

Because you have no discernment for truth and fall for the con artists of the truth movement.

This link and the video it contains shows the moment WTC 2 collapsed.

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

There is no video or audible proof of CD.

9/11 WTC North Tower collapse by Etienne Sauret. Visible shaking 12 seconds before collapse
m.youtube.com...

South Tower collapse (9/11)
m.youtube.com...

Both towers fell in relative silence in the context there is no audible signature from pressure waves with enough force to cut steel.

There is no indication of a pressure wave.

If there was a massive explosion in the basement capable of cutting steel, there would have been a noticeable boom, windows and walls at the base of the towers buckling out. Every floor in the tower would have noticeably dropped down. Not the localized and isolated outer vertical columns bowing inward and buckling relative to the impact and fire damage.

a reply to: madenusa

I have posted repeatedly the mechanism throughout the 9/11 threads that lead to the inward bowing and buckling witnessed in the towers that lead to collapse. You are more than welcome to find them and provide a rebuttal.

a reply to: neutronfluxwe should no longer be discussing details. Instead, we should be focusing on who is responsible for this.
It has been more than 16 years

originally posted by: madenusa
a reply to: neutronfluxwe should no longer be discussing details. Instead, we should be focusing on who is responsible for this.
It has been more than 16 years

Look for who? The individuals that planted the AE mythical 9/11 flash no fizzle bombs.

The individuals behind Sakander’s nuke bomb pet theory?

The individuals behind Dr Woods Dustification?

The individuals that engineered the buildings to self destruct?

Jones and his fraudulent thermite paper.

Or the Middle Eastern individuals that funded the 9/11 terrorists? And who they contacted, and what strings they pulled, amount US politicians that got the terrorists in? How they were allowed to stay?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: madenusa
a reply to: neutronfluxwe should no longer be discussing details. Instead, we should be focusing on who is responsible for this.
It has been more than 16 years

Look for who? The individuals that planted the AE mythical 9/11 flash no fizzle bombs.

The individuals behind Sakander’s nuke bomb pet theory?

The individuals behind Dr Woods Dustification?

The individuals that engineered the buildings to self destruct?

Jones and his fraudulent thermite paper.

Or the Middle Eastern individuals that funded the 9/11 terrorists? And who they contacted, and what strings they pulled, amount US politicians that got the terrorists in? How they were allowed to stay?

Operation Northwoods operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.
hmmm fallow the money trailen.wikipedia.org... sounds like 911

So off to war your children must go, to spill their blood for the money-junkies' gold.

a reply to: madenusa


Are you saying there was no effort, suppor, and funding provided by Middle Eastern interests to the 9/11 terrorists?

Are you saying Middle Eastern individuals don’t regularly conspire and implement terror attacks and acts of brutality.

There is enough activity in that the USA doesn’t have to conspire anything. Was 9/11 allowed to happen? But it is obvious the USA government was not the mastermind of 9/11, and the USA doesn’t have to lift a fingure for Middle Eastern governments to support, train, and fund terrorists.

Again, I would like to find the US politicians that help get the terrorists in the USA.

But you need to show they were part of the plot. No just doing somebody a political favor.

Then what is your proof the towers were brought down by something other than jet’s initiating a chain of events that lead to the towers collapsing.

The truth movement fraudulent thermite paper and experiments?

AE Truth fizzle no flash explosives?

Dr Woods book that debunks other WTC theories, but pushes dustification.

What other evidence do you have than innuendo and looks like a CD?

Buy the way, the collapse of the towers was inward bowing leading to buckling. No signs of anything being blown out at the initiation of collapse. No proof of pressure waves capable of cutting steel. No shrapnel from explosives setting off.

Again, this link addresses how there is no credibility to the “looks like CD” argument. Can you cite from the material and build a rebuttal how it is wrong?

www.implosionworld.com...

a reply to: neutronflux“dancing Israelis” who were seen celebrating the attack on the Twin Towers and who later admitted on Israeli television that they were sent to “document the event.”
(This, of course, proves foreknowledge.)
quietly sent home with no further investigation

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: madenusa


Are you saying there was no effort, suppor, and funding provided by Middle Eastern interests to the 9/11 terrorists?

Are you saying Middle Eastern individuals don’t regularly conspire and implement terror attacks and acts of brutality.

There is enough activity in that the USA doesn’t have to conspire anything. Was 9/11 allowed to happen? But it is obvious the USA government was not the mastermind of 9/11, and the USA doesn’t have to lift a fingure for Middle Eastern governments to support, train, and fund terrorists.

Again, I would like to find the US politicians that help get the terrorists in the USA.

But you need to show they were part of the plot. No just doing somebody a political favor.

Then what is your proof the towers were brought down by something other than jet’s initiating a chain of events that lead to the towers collapsing.

The truth movement fraudulent thermite paper and experiments?

AE Truth fizzle no flash explosives?

Dr Woods book that debunks other WTC theories, but pushes dustification.

What other evidence do you have than innuendo and looks like a CD?

Buy the way, the collapse of the towers was inward bowing leading to buckling. No signs of anything being blown out at the initiation of collapse. No proof of pressure waves capable of cutting steel. No shrapnel from explosives setting off.

Again, this link addresses how there is no credibility to the “looks like CD” argument. Can you cite from the material and build a rebuttal how it is wrong?

www.implosionworld.com...

I want you to imagine that two Muslim billionaires stepped in and decided to buy the lease on the Twin Towers thereby transferring the liability from the Port Authority to themselves and then immediately proceeded to double the insurance policy on the buildings.
Imagine if it was two Muslim billionaires that did that.
And imagine these Muslim billionaires bought these buildings six weeks before those buildings … and, importantly, also took over security to the buildings in the six weeks leading up to those buildings turning to dust right before our eyes.
Im following the money trail......two businessmen were Jewish:Silverstein and Lowy agreed to take on that incredible liability

originally posted by: madenusa
a reply to: neutronflux“dancing Israelis” who were seen celebrating the attack on the Twin Towers and who later admitted on Israeli television that they were sent to “document the event.”
(This, of course, proves foreknowledge.)
quietly sent home with no further investigation

You might want to google multiple sources for each conspiracy claim.
Israelis celebrating the deaths of thousands of Americans would only hurt their cause with us.
Use critical thinking and common sense.

a reply to: madenusa

Operation Northwoods operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.

NORTHWOODS - Ah Yes, the favorite meme of the conspiracy loon ....

If don't have anything else, just go to Northwoods

You do realize when the plan was presented to JFK, his response was "This is F*ck*ng nuts!" and rejected it

The author of the plan, Joints Chief General Lyman Lemnitzer , was denied another term on Joints Chiefs and
sent to Europe as Nato commander

Kennedy wanted him out of Washington .......

a reply to: madenusa

dancing Israelis” who were seen celebrating the attack on the Twin Towers and who later admitted on Israeli television that they were sent to “document the event.”

Again wrong Gruber, ....

The dancing Israeli was only spotted AFTER the buildings were struck

Their offices was on 19th Street in Weehawken , right along Hudson river

They were spotted on Palisades Ave, a 200 foot hill, nearby which gave a panoramic view of the WTC

I live in the area - Go to google maps and check it out

As for "documenting event" - everybody with a phone or video camera was filming the WTC that morning , so
hardly were unique in wanting to record what was happening

two businessmen were Jewish:Silverstein and Lowy agreed to take on that incredible liability

a reply to: madenusa


One problem with your conspiracy fantasy ....

Silverstein was not the original winner of the lease on WTC

It was Vornado Real Estate

Vornado could not come up the financing Silverstein could so was awarded lease