For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT

a reply to: madenusa

Cite where the jet was vaporized!


There was recognizable jet wreckage in the pentagon.

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Conclusion

Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th.

a reply to: madenusa

If conspiracists would have stopped falling for every ploy by the truth movement for attention, there might have been a chance to get real answers concerning 9/11.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: madenusa

If conspiracists would have stopped falling for every ploy by the truth movement for attention, there might have been a chance to get real answers concerning 9/11.

very true "DELIBERATELY false information" is how they won...no body knows what to believe....I've got a Marine that didn't come back,if I believed everything I read..........I try to read between the lines.

originally posted by: madenusa

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: madenusa

If conspiracists would have stopped falling for every ploy by the truth movement for attention, there might have been a chance to get real answers concerning 9/11.

very true "DELIBERATELY false information" is how they won...no body knows what to believe....I've got a Marine that didn't come back,if I believed everything I read..........I try to read between the lines.

Maybe some. But sorry, their are individuals that exploit 9/11 for nothing more than to push their YouTube channel, sensationalize their blog, push book sales, and for attention at speaking engagements. People will exchange their walk on role for lead role in a cage. And their target audience will shower those with theories of Dustification with praise.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: madenusa

If conspiracists would have stopped falling for every ploy by the truth movement for attention, there might have been a chance to get real answers concerning 9/11.

It is not the Truth Movement doing the ploys. It is the three letter agencies and their shills that are still making huge efforts to muddy the waters.

You, neutronflux, are either deep in their pockets or just silly enough not to be able to see past the ploys.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Again, do you want to talk about nuclear bombs at the WTC, no jets hitting the towers, lasers and holograms, thermite paint, thermite ceiling tiles, missiles and holograms, self destructing buildings, or fizzle no flash bombs.

I would rather have a discussion on what codes were bypassed to allow the towers to be built with minimal concrete and cost. A departure from traditional cores that have saved other buildings. But you still have the ignorant pushing no jest hit the Towers.

I would like to know how the 9/11 terrorists entered and stayed in the USA. Did Middle Eastern politicians call in favors with the USA political elite. But you still have the ignorant pushing there were no terrorists.

It’s those that enable the likes of AE 9/11 Truth, Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Dr Wood that killed the truth movement. Those prideful in their inability to discern truth, and muddy the waters chanting falsehoods. Like the towers fall at the rate of free fall. They did not. The lies the towers fell through the path of greatest resistance. They did not. The vertical columns were left standing after the complete collapse of the tower floor systems.

You don’t get to the truth through fundamental lies.

a reply to: neutronflux

Again, do you want to talk about nuclear bombs at the WTC, no jets hitting the towers, lasers and holograms, thermite paint, thermite ceiling tiles, missiles and holograms, self destructing buildings, or fizzle no flash bombs.

These are all the items that the three letter agencies used to muddy the waters. You just listed their MO. Sorry, you left off the Aliens. That has to be on the list.

It is a list to discredit the real questions.

No! I do not want to discuss the garbage provided by three letter agencies.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Which garbage do you want to discuss?

a reply to: neutronflux

You don’t get to the truth through fundamental lies.

Right from their playbook. Put a truth line in at the bottom of your reply.

Yep ... well done.

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a reply to: MrBig2430

No its caused by thermal expansion a drastic change in the temperature of aluminum. Heat it inconsistently and you get what happens in the video. Aluminum is highly volatile in liquid form.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: dragonridr

Just as a note, Salander’s pet theory for the towers was nuclear weapons. A theory with no evidence or science behind it. A theory totally void of fact.

Thats stupid the EMP caused would make it obvious not to mention the radiation involved would have make the area unlivable. We would have seen 100s of thousands dying from radiation.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Hi a reply to: dragonridr


“And your molten steel idea is stupid to cool steel they douse it in water. ”


I think you ignorance is showing.

Especially when a link to a video of a lone water bottle being thrown into a batch of molten steel causing an explosive was provided previous to your post.

I am supposed to find you credible why?

I did nosuch thing wasnt my video as throwing a water bottle into liquid mettle will always cause the water to expand violently. But people want you to believe putting water in liquid mettle causes explosions thats just not true. Its furthering my point that a lack of scientific understanding leads into the wrong conclusions and miss information. The truther movement has been severly misleading people on scientific facts like people telling me mettles explode when water is applied.

a reply to: dragonridr

Yes, I was not specific. That let you create a false argument. I believe what was seen at the WTC was a mixture of lead, molten burning plastics, and any other low melting point material. And I have said that. So thinks for showing another way the material at the Towers was aluminium, and other items with low melting points.

When I originally used the term molten metal, I was referring to your context of molten steel. Sorry I was not specific.

Yes molten steel does react violently with water.

Aluminum’s melting point is around 660 degrees Celsius vs steel not melting unil it’s around 1400 Celsius.

Besides the violent reaction that would occur from water hitting supposed rivers and pools of molten steel, the pile was never hot enough to sustain molten steel.

a reply to: dragonridr

Pouring molten steel into water
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a reply to: dragonridr

And why would thermite, a theory based on a fraudulent peer reviewed paper and experiments that could not have results duplicated, result in pools and rivers of molten steel while the pile was being cleared?

Please walk through the logic. Specifically in terms the pile was never hot enough to promote molten steel.

a reply to: dragonridr

By the way, steel glows visibly orange at 871 Celsius. Can you prove that is not what people were confused by?

a reply to: dragonridr

How many workers were cutting how many steel columns with thermal lances during the WTC clean up? Did that create standing pools and rivers of molten steel to give credence to the thermite narrative? Why or why not?

a reply to: neutronflux

Well, we will never know because all the evidence was shipped to China immediately.

a reply to: dfnj2015

You know that is a truth movement lie also.

The WTC was treated as a crime scene. Local firefighters and law enforcement was there at the pile to look for human remains, personal effects, and collect evidence. Engineers and the FBI was also there looking at the steel and for evidence. So the steel was examined on site. When anything of intest was found, work in the area was stopped to dig by hand.

Also, the removal of the debris was methodical out of fear the rubble was holding up the slurry wall.

If treating the WTC as a crime scene is not enough, everything was shipped to lay down yards. The steel was examined, pieces with forensic value keep and analyzed. The rubble was ran through conveyors and search by hand up to three times. Scores of watches and ID cards were recovered. About 18,000 pieces of human remains were recovered. 6,000 could fit in test tubes.

This paper documents how the steel was handled before release.

www.implosionworld.com...

Please cite how the paper is false with evidence.

Side question, do they cut all the blood stained floors and walls out of a house to take to the crime lab. No. They take pictures and samples.

Do they take a whole house torched by arson
To the crime lab. No, they get samples.

And yet all the WTC rubble was taken offsite and re-examined.

a reply to: dfnj2015

So why does the truth movement use false narratives and hiding of facts.

Remember, you just argued they put no effort into looking for evidence?

Are you going to go for the classic conspiracist’s it’s all a lie when you were shown you don’t even know what the real arguments are?