Is St Louis set to burn with acquittal of ex-cop Jason Stockley?

originally posted by: coop039

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: intrptr

Michael brown? He still assaulted the shop clerk, but that's not a crime right

Another lie, in addition to the one having him 'assaulting' the officer from thirty yards away, on his knees with his hands up, begging him not to shoot.

Using a lie to try and prove something else is a lie is kind of a fail.

Prove that was a lie. Oh you can't, conveniently there was no court trial.

But if there was the eyewitness statements would have to come out, let alone video evidence, which they will never show... and forensics which will never be addressed...

The eyewitness statements have him gunned down after complying with officer command to put his hands up.

"Hands up!"

"Don't shoot".

Its easy to call people liars , the liars are those covering it up. If there is nothing to cover up, then have a trial and prove it to the people who are literally seething down there, again, from more police killings, again.

Tell them theres no need to examine all the evidence in open court.

Hands up dont shoot was a lie. Completely fabricated by Mike Browns friend. Read the transcripts from the grand jury. Nothing happened at all like the thugs claimed it did.

Include the video that proved Brown bought the cigars earlier. Video they had all along but hid, because they didn't want it to come out in trial, because the official excuse to kill him was that he had robbed the store, and that was BS. If they lied about that they lied about witness statements, too. Duh...

But again, let it come out in "Open" trial, not a hidden grand juries job to decide guilt or innocent. But used regularly (now) in lieu of trial by those state employees guilty of state ordained murder.

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule

originally posted by: growler
a reply to: matafuchs

Jason Stockley has been found not guilty in the death of a citizen with his own personal gun. Protesting has already begun.

it's a shame it isn't a neo-nazi rally, everyone here would be against the protesters.

The types of people that usually turn up for these "protests" are way more of a threat to society than a tiny fringe group of neo-Nazis.

No they are not! These people are powerless while the neo-nazi are your police, Judges, Prosecutors and law makers.

a reply to: 2Baaka

Nah...maybe locally, at municipal levels, but I would argue that the national level of change affected by the civil-rights movement was because words actually touched people's hearts, and the changes were out of love, not fear.

But, you know, to each their own.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: coop039

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: intrptr

Michael brown? He still assaulted the shop clerk, but that's not a crime right

Another lie, in addition to the one having him 'assaulting' the officer from thirty yards away, on his knees with his hands up, begging him not to shoot.

Using a lie to try and prove something else is a lie is kind of a fail.

Prove that was a lie. Oh you can't, conveniently there was no court trial.

But if there was the eyewitness statements would have to come out, let alone video evidence, which they will never show... and forensics which will never be addressed...

The eyewitness statements have him gunned down after complying with officer command to put his hands up.

"Hands up!"

"Don't shoot".

Its easy to call people liars , the liars are those covering it up. If there is nothing to cover up, then have a trial and prove it to the people who are literally seething down there, again, from more police killings, again.

Tell them theres no need to examine all the evidence in open court.

Hands up dont shoot was a lie. Completely fabricated by Mike Browns friend. Read the transcripts from the grand jury. Nothing happened at all like the thugs claimed it did.

Include the video that proved Brown bought the cigars earlier. Video they had all along but hid, because they didn't want it to come out in trial, because the official excuse to kill him was that he had robbed the store, and that was BS. If they lied about that they lied about witness statements, too. Duh...

But again, let it come out in "Open" trial, not a hidden grand juries job to decide guilt or innocent. But used regularly (now) in lieu of trial by those state employees guilty of state ordained murder.

The whole video was the reason thing was all speculation by people other than the grand jury. It was not relevant to the actual shooting. Most of the lies that came out about the whole Mike Brown thing were pushed by the media. Again, read the transcripts. Mikes fingerprints were found on the officers gun, its just one of the things youll discover.

As far as this case, the prosecution screwed up going for murder 1. They should have gone after a lesser charge.

originally posted by: coop039

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: coop039

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: intrptr

Michael brown? He still assaulted the shop clerk, but that's not a crime right

Another lie, in addition to the one having him 'assaulting' the officer from thirty yards away, on his knees with his hands up, begging him not to shoot.

Using a lie to try and prove something else is a lie is kind of a fail.

Prove that was a lie. Oh you can't, conveniently there was no court trial.

But if there was the eyewitness statements would have to come out, let alone video evidence, which they will never show... and forensics which will never be addressed...

The eyewitness statements have him gunned down after complying with officer command to put his hands up.

"Hands up!"

"Don't shoot".

Its easy to call people liars , the liars are those covering it up. If there is nothing to cover up, then have a trial and prove it to the people who are literally seething down there, again, from more police killings, again.

Tell them theres no need to examine all the evidence in open court.

Hands up dont shoot was a lie. Completely fabricated by Mike Browns friend. Read the transcripts from the grand jury. Nothing happened at all like the thugs claimed it did.

Include the video that proved Brown bought the cigars earlier. Video they had all along but hid, because they didn't want it to come out in trial, because the official excuse to kill him was that he had robbed the store, and that was BS. If they lied about that they lied about witness statements, too. Duh...

But again, let it come out in "Open" trial, not a hidden grand juries job to decide guilt or innocent. But used regularly (now) in lieu of trial by those state employees guilty of state ordained murder.

The whole video was the reason thing was all speculation by people other than the grand jury. It was not relevant to the actual shooting. Most of the lies that came out about the whole Mike Brown thing were pushed by the media. Again, read the transcripts. Mikes fingerprints were found on the officers gun, its just one of the things youll discover.

You keep presenting unqualified evidence, all of which should be presented, backed by sworn testimony, under oath, review by forensic experts, in an open trial.

Up until now, all we got is hear say, by the police. Yah the DA is the police.

Start with the grand jury should have been convened somewhere else, duh, and again, only decide if theres enough evidence (dead body) to go to trial.

But I get the whole impunity police thing.

originally posted by: 2Baaka

originally posted by: DrStevenBrule

originally posted by: growler
a reply to: matafuchs

Jason Stockley has been found not guilty in the death of a citizen with his own personal gun. Protesting has already begun.

it's a shame it isn't a neo-nazi rally, everyone here would be against the protesters.

The types of people that usually turn up for these "protests" are way more of a threat to society than a tiny fringe group of neo-Nazis.

No they are not! These people are powerless while the neo-nazi are your police, Judges, Prosecutors and law makers.

Not only but routinely hire infiltrators to hijack and turn peaceful protests into violent riots.

PFFFT .
Another one bites the dust...

a reply to: intrptr

You should probably bone up on what a grand jury does and what it doesn't do.

A grand jury decides whether there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and the defendant committed it.

It doesn't "only decide if there's enough evidence to go to a trial."

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: intrptr

You should probably bone up on what a grand jury does and what it doesn't do.

A grand jury decides whether there's probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and the defendant committed it.

It doesn't "only decide if there's enough evidence to go to a trial."

LOL, your link is from Missouri, where the corrupt admin, justice, and LEO, i.e., White Establishment of good ol boys been acting with impunity since forever.

Try again.

a reply to: intrptr

Yes, it is from Missouri. Since that's where the case in question took place, it's pretty relevant as to what the state says a grand jury's job is.

Whatever you make up and claim is the grand jury's job is entirely irrelevant. Lulz. Try again.

Bottom line: you're substituting your own personal preference and interpretation of selected evidence for what actually happens, and happened, and what the state laws and guidelines are and declaring yourself right for no reason other than you say so. There's no need to continue down this road, because nothing whatsoever will move you from the position you've fabricated for yourself.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Yes, it is from Missouri.

Thats like asking the state department to prosecute Hillary. Thanks for proving again how neutral the state of Missouri is in all this. Like duh...

A change of venue is the legal term for moving a trial to a new location. In high-profile matters, a change of venue may occur to move a jury trial away from a location where a fair and impartial jury may not be possible due to widespread publicity about a crime and its defendant(s) to another community in order to obtain jurors who can be more objective in their duties. This change may be to different towns, and across the other sides of states or, in some extremely high-profile federal cases, to other states.

Change of Venue

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: 2Baaka

Nah...maybe locally, at municipal levels, but I would argue that the national level of change affected by the civil-rights movement was because words actually touched people's hearts, and the changes were out of love, not fear.

But, you know, to each their own.

If it was out of love, descendants of American chattel slavery would have been properly compensated with such things that were SPECIFICALLY for them, not watered down by including hispanics and white women.

Also if it was for love, the leader of the marches MLK, would not have caught a bullet.

a reply to: intrptr

K.

a reply to: 2Baaka

A. Reparations is not synonymous with love. I don't owe anything for the sins of past Americans.

B. Not everyone is on board with everything, and there will always be people who violently oppose positive change.

The logic in your response to me is lacking.

a reply to: intrptr

I guess they do not care enough to turn out to vote though. I am very surprised that they did NOT elect a black mayor.

www.nbcnews.com...

However, people of race hold power on both sides. Remember this gem...



he then gives the one who did the home invasion probation...can you imagine if a white judge said this?

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: ketsuko
Yes, murder 1 has a very high hurdle (and rightly so). The prosecution did not have enough for that given the history of their client. Wishing is not a legal strategy....unless....the protest and riot is exactly what they hoped to gain by doing that.

hey, you figured it out......I don't know why people think that this prosecutor didn't ALREADY know that this WAS NOT a murder 1 charge?....of course he knew, Christ, he works with law enforcement and those judges every day. he knew that if the charge was murder 1, it would be impossible for a judge there to convict....even a first year law student would reach that conclusion due to the "high hurdle" you mentioned.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: ketsuko
Yes, murder 1 has a very high hurdle (and rightly so). The prosecution did not have enough for that given the history of their client. Wishing is not a legal strategy....unless....the protest and riot is exactly what they hoped to gain by doing that.

hey, you figured it out......I don't know why people think that this prosecutor didn't ALREADY know that this WAS NOT a murder 1 charge?....of course he knew, Christ, he works with law enforcement and those judges every day. he knew that if the charge was murder 1, it would be impossible for a judge there to convict....even a first year law student would reach that conclusion due to the "high hurdle" you mentioned.

Plus... the crowd shouting for the police officer's blood would have been angry if the charge was a lesser one.

a reply to: butcherguy

Interesting side note on that front: near as I can tell, the city attorney that filed the charges on Stockley then retired about six months later. She filed the charges in mid-2016 citing "new and unspecified evidence." Then she retires a few months later and doesn't even try to case herself.

That all would've been about four months before the federal DoJ had made it's decision to not pursue civil rights charges against Stockley. That's after they'd already passed on it way back in 2011, too.

a reply to: matafuchs

However, people of race hold power on both sides.

Not in Missouri, they don't.

Judges are cogs of state, too. Not very high on the totem pole.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: matafuchs

However, people of race hold power on both sides.

Not in Missouri, they don't.

Judges are cogs of state, too. Not very high on the totem pole.

Yeah we need to go high up on the totem pool to the top.

Who was the white guy that was the chief law enforcement officer in the US when this happened, or perhaps the white guy who was attorney general!

Oh wait...