China at risk of loosing its trade with U.S

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Arnie123

Lame.

Those trade practices don't benefit us at all and yes, no surprise that you ignore the trade deficient.

Free trade would ensure those dollars go to deals that benefit both economies, don't be a complete fool and think that it'll evaporate, wait...you are. It isn't hard at all to see your anti American stance either.

I know, I know, you love your walmart, but afraid that isn't so.

Again, screaming and crying about bad trade deals doesn't make it better. This is in response to North Korea, with 26 years of BS to get them to stop, now their programs are much more advance.

Yeah, cutting trade with china and going elsewhere with improved deals would benefit us long term. Great negotiator tool.

Who else will they trade with, at that same level? US can just as easily go with India, who are begging for trade. Same pie, different fruit.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: MrZeal

If this does take place, what effect will it have on the global economy?

War, pestilence and death, there is no need to sugar coat it....

The 4 Horsemen are loose , huh ?
Armageddon ?
In my long life , I have encountered this same sort of thing seems like millions of times. And the world is still here (or at least I think it is)

This is all mere political positioning. China owes it's economy to us. And we owe billions to China for buying our junk bonds. At low interest of course.
Peace

originally posted by: Lagomorphe
Most Americans don't give a sh"" as long as they have cheap prices...

Sad.

Warmest regards

Lags

a reply to: MrZeal

I think being on this site is causing you to hate Americans, and it's a mistake. The worst of Americans are represented here. Don't delude yourself into thinking all of us are as regressive and gullible as you see the majority here. You didn't used to be this way, so it's tainting your thoughts about us. The majority of us is not as bad as you see here. Trump and his regressive thinking is losing support from every party. It's only the diehards still making noise, and they are here.

originally posted by: Arnie123
Who else will they trade with, at that same level? US can just as easily go with India, who are begging for trade. Same pie, different fruit.

India does not have the same level of GDP as China and could not handle the same amount of trade as China who's GDP is 5 times higher.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Lagomorphe
Most Americans don't give a sh"" as long as they have cheap prices...

Sad.

Warmest regards

Lags

a reply to: MrZeal

I think being on this site is causing you to hate Americans, and it's a mistake. The worst of Americans are represented here. Don't delude yourself into thinking all of us are as regressive and gullible as you see the majority here. You didn't used to be this way, so it's tainting your thoughts about us. The majority of us is not as bad as you see here. Trump and his regressive thinking is losing support from every party. It's only the diehards still making noise, and they are here.

Lmfao, you are one to talk. He is talking about the mentality of buying cheap and you respond with a partisan lens. Nice one.

I think he does see the issue, look no further then your own post. Sorry, but you stand in the hill with us "diehards" and the terrible tragedy we avoided with a hillary presidency and Democrat ran system.

No, Trump isn't loosing support, if anything its growing. Evidence of this is your recent fake news, like Pelosi...GDP...American Citizens. I don't need to remind you of that.

Stop hating yo.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Arnie123
Who else will they trade with, at that same level? US can just as easily go with India, who are begging for trade. Same pie, different fruit.

India does not have the same level of GDP as China and could not handle the same amount of trade as China who's GDP is 5 times higher.

Sure, based off that old school information.

India is growing, FAST. Considering how long it takes to get things done, increasing trade deals will help foster that industry.
It'll take some time, but like the chinese, it'll grow eventually and not long at all.

www.businessinsider.com...

www.forbes.com...

DBL

a reply to: Arnie123


China is also India's largest trading partner, they aren't going to pay more and switch those purchase to the United States.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Arnie123


China is also India's largest trading partner, they aren't going to pay more and switch those purchase to the United States.

We don't know that. Plus, India can play both fields.
economictimes.indiatimes.com... ms

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Arnie123
Who else will they trade with, at that same level? US can just as easily go with India, who are begging for trade. Same pie, different fruit.

India does not have the same level of GDP as China and could not handle the same amount of trade as China who's GDP is 5 times higher.

This is true. Yet combine India with Taiwan, Japan, The growing Vietnam economy, on and on, China has more competitors than customers these days.

There is leverage is my point.

a reply to: Arnie123


Yeah, we do know that. It's simple economics.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Arnie123
Who else will they trade with, at that same level? US can just as easily go with India, who are begging for trade. Same pie, different fruit.

India does not have the same level of GDP as China and could not handle the same amount of trade as China who's GDP is 5 times higher.

This is true. Yet combine India with Taiwan, Japan, The growing Vietnam economy, on and on, China has more competitors than customers these days.

There is leverage is my point.

They are also strategic allies as well, meaning defense, coupled with increased trade. Many options are available.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Arnie123


Yeah, we do know that. It's simple economics.

No, you don't. Just like the prospect of ending trade with China, our largest trading partner.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
This is true. Yet combine India with Taiwan, Japan, The growing Vietnam economy, on and on, China has more competitors than customers these days.

There is leverage is my point.

We already enjoy good trade relations with those countries, they are not going to be able to pick up the slack from a trade war with China. It would damage both economies.

originally posted by: Arnie123
No, you don't. Just like the prospect of ending trade with China, our largest trading partner.

Yeah, we do. A $2.1 GDP is no match for a $11.2 trillion GDP and paying more for their goods erodes their current GDP.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Arnie123
No, you don't. Just like the prospect of ending trade with China, our largest trading partner.

Yeah, we do. A $2.1 GDP is no match for a $11.2 trillion GDP and paying more for their goods erodes their current GDP.

Umm, thats kind of the point with increased trade and base building. Any trade war between the US and China, other nations bemefit. You'll be an idiot to not see that. India will more then likely be able to replace that, as indicated in the article.
economictimes.indiatimes.com...

"China is losing the American market fast."

a reply to: Arnie123


I want you to explain the economic paradigm that compels India to buy more expensive American goods over Chinese products as they are currently accustomed.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nwtrucker
This is true. Yet combine India with Taiwan, Japan, The growing Vietnam economy, on and on, China has more competitors than customers these days.

There is leverage is my point.

We already enjoy good trade relations with those countries, they are not going to be able to pick up the slack from a trade war with China. It would damage both economies.

Basically true. Yet what I see as being missed is a level less than a 'trade war' with China. What I see already happening is industry specific duties, tariffs, etc.

It's already started with Canada. Steel and lumber dumping with an artificially low Canadian dollar. I'd bet similar actions against China. One step at a time.

P.S. This method also avoids large inflation issues within the U.S. on a consumer level, as well.

a reply to: nwtrucker


The issue with tariffs are that certain commodities can no longer be manufactured here due to various regulations which I don't see being reversed. The industry that I am in has pretty much zero chance of being made here due to the EPA.

a reply to: Arnie123

So I'm anti-American for not wanting us to have skyrocketing prices, catastrophic export losses, and supply shortages? Do you even understand what exports are? When those American companies you claim to support are trying to sell their products overseas, one of the biggest markets they go to is China. I fail to see how it's "pro-American" to want our exporters to lose business because they're blocked off from one of their biggest customers.

Also, I fail to see how it's "pro-American" to want supply shortages & shortages of consumer goods here. Not only is that Wal-Mart that you keep mocking an American company, but it's literally the largest private employer in America. But I guess it's anti-American to not want the 1.5 million Americans employed by Wal-Mart to lose their jobs because their employer can't stock its shelves? (facepalm)

But whatever. It's a waste of time talking to you.