Houston Pastor JOEL OSTEEN Will NOT Open His Mega-Church To Flood Victims!.

Well he is praying for the folks

For what that’s worth….Probably not much

They say this guy is worth his way in gold…Teeth

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
naw, he's not a pastor or religion oriented ....tv guide says inspirational speaker....Tony Robbins

he never says the name Jesus....his wife will......and they don't open the Scripture

You're right. He rarely speaks directly from the book. But I will say this, he has a right to interpret and spread the word of Christ the way he sees fit.


I guess what bugs me the most is all of our fine ATS fans condemning him as not being Christian enough, yet that is the opposite of the Christian way.

You would think it would be Christian of us to NOT condemn a man for what we think he should be doing.

a reply to: Zarniwoop

Yeah, it definitely "looks" bad for Osteen. But the Michael Brown situation looked bad, then we learned the truth. It's certainly possible Osteen was just a douche, but there also may have been other considerations and circumstances at play in this story. I certainly don't know, and because of that I'll try to hold back judgement.

originally posted by: Nyiah
The sack of s# had to be prodded into opening the megachurch doors via one hell of a public roasting to allow Category 4 hurricane flood victims a dry place to stay, and people think people like this are what's going to take care of the public in times of need?

This is why we also need those dirty socialist emergency programs, folks. You just can't count on your fellow man alone. He's almost always a selfish f#.

If Osteen's heart and mind were in the right place, he would have begun making plans for enabling his 16,800 seat church available as shelter, 4 days ago.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

Then by opening the church doors to refugees...Joel Osteen is ENDANGERING them?!?! Tisk..Tisk.. That's not Christian..

Then you see the power of media and public opinion.
Has nothing to do with religion
Agreed ?

I bet Osteen got a call from the nation's Chief Twitter monitor (Donald Trump) too.

Possible
So , the media , the public , and possibly D will be responsible if something happens to the folks now ?
They would be complicit and complacent

a reply to: Tempter

Osteen will help or he won't.

But IMO, if you're going to spread the word of Christ, it needs to be the word of Christ. Christ is the Word, and not what Joel wants the word to be. That's why most church services preach from a scripture or three and then sermon off of it.

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: carewemust

Apparently, the Church is closed and services have been cancelled due to flooding. Pictures have been posted of the carpark and the interior showing the water levels.

When a building that is higher than the surrounding terrain floods, usually the water comes from a pressure wave in septic and sewage systems. That means that if it did flood, the interior would not be safe for habitation until it was drained and cleaned.

Also, if there is significant flooding on a building with a large and mostly unsupported roof, there may be physical damage that may make the the building unsafe from physical collapse. To verify the building's safety usually requires engineering inspection.

Additionally, there are apparently eight staff onsite and the doors are not locked. The staff are either directing people to nearby shelters and are ready to direct people to un-flooded parts of the complex, for those needing emergency accommodation. Apparently no-one has chosen to stay so far.

This whole thing is a social media beat up. A lie. Fake news designed to inflame the bigoted!

Pitiful and sad excuse. Pictures have shown a zero flooding and regardless of a few staff, we knew days in advance of a Hurricane approaching.

Sewage? pure speculation.

A picture of one part of the outside of the premises shows no flooding.

But it's a big place, and if you'd bothered to investigate, there are these:




Yes, sewage is speculation, but based upon reasoning, engineering knowledge and some degree of experience.

originally posted by: Zarniwoop
a reply to: BubbaJoe

This should be the end of his "ministry", but it won't.

Nope. It won't. Because his followers will consume whatever he says.

His overall brand though, may be severely damaged, as well as his social media presence.

None of that makes me sad.

Me either, this facility should have been open Saturday, two days lost. I have no issues with Christians, as long as they act like one. I have read the book several times, Osteen has some 'splaining to do.

a reply to: ketsuko

It’s about expectations. People expect extraordinary religious figures to do extraordinary works that are commensurate to their holy rhetoric...

a reply to: theantediluvian

OMG. That's disgusting! To think Christians even donated money to this pastor's church. I wonder if many of his Christian followers have ever seen the mansions he owns?

I stopped following my Catholic religion after seeing our priests driving around in Cadillac's, owning boats and cottages and having parishioner volunteers preparing extravagant dinners and cleaning their living quarters. While many of their parishioners were living in poverty.

Hypocrites and con artists.

Black Americans are disappointed to learn that Osteen might not like them as much as they thought.
blackamericaweb.com...

a reply to: chr0naut

Irrelevant areas, we won't be putting people there obviously.

You're not going to win this, no matter how you cut it.

PS: Your experience and knowledge falls short, why? still speculation.

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
naw, he's not a pastor or religion oriented ....tv guide says inspirational speaker....Tony Robbins

he never says the name Jesus....his wife will......and they don't open the Scripture

You're right. He rarely speaks directly from the book. But I will say this, he has a right to interpret and spread the word of Christ the way he sees fit.


I guess what bugs me the most is all of our fine ATS fans condemning him as not being Christian enough, yet that is the opposite of the Christian way.

You would think it would be Christian of us to NOT condemn a man for what we think he should be doing.

Why does he have a right to interpret, when so many of you tell us it is the direct word of god. I would think that would make him a pariah among you, a false prophet. You can't tell this story from multiple sides.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ketsuko

It’s about expectations. People expect extraordinary religious figures to do extraordinary works that are commensurate to their holy rhetoric...

And their holy demanding to churchgoers at collection time to, "give to God until it HURTS!"

a reply to: carewemust

He and the church should lose any tax breaks they benefit from over this. That's really the only rationale that exists for those tax exempt statuses: helping the community.

a reply to: WeRpeons

It's called prosperity gospel. There are some who think that earthly wealth and prosperity are marks of Gods favor. So for them to see Osteen's own wealth is not the disgusting display it might seem but actually a mark of God's favor.

Now, I am not one who thinks that being wealthy is evil ... *if* you are a generous person and are doing the things you should in life because you aren't so wedded to your wealth that you love it more than anything else.

So I think there some fundamental things wrong with prosperity gospel.

a reply to: Arnie123

I read on twitter h eis finally opening up. The top part is not flooded. the bottom garage areas were. They wanted to see how bad it was going to get prolly.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Arnie123

I read on twitter h eis finally opening up. The top part is not flooded. the bottom garage areas were. They wanted to see how bad it was going to get prolly.

I've figured after a bit they would.

Optics, he had to of known the backlash he would recieve.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: carewemust

Apparently, the Church is closed and services have been cancelled due to flooding. Pictures have been posted of the carpark and the interior showing the water levels.

When a building that is higher than the surrounding terrain floods, usually the water comes from a pressure wave in septic and sewage systems. That means that if it did flood, the interior would not be safe for habitation until it was drained and cleaned.

Also, if there is significant flooding on a building with a large and mostly unsupported roof, there may be physical damage that may make the the building unsafe from physical collapse. To verify the building's safety usually requires engineering inspection.

Additionally, there are apparently eight staff onsite and the doors are not locked. The staff are either directing people to nearby shelters and are ready to direct people to un-flooded parts of the complex, for those needing emergency accommodation. Apparently no-one has chosen to stay so far.

This whole thing is a social media beat up. A lie. Fake news designed to inflame the bigoted!

Keep making excuses for this scumbag, you display yourself for what you are.

I am someone who bothers to investigate, especially if something looks like a fairly obvious social media defamation fest.

I am a Christian, but I strive to not be a fool.

Osteen is a scumbag, his church should have been open Saturday, if you have it in your heart to forgive that oversite, I am truly sorry for the other oversites you have had.

I can't comment about Osteen as I don't know much about the guy.

But I do know that the Church was never closed to refugees. That story was made up on Twitter, probably because Olsteen cancelled all church services in anticipation of the storm.

Here's the text of a Tweet by Osteen and Lakewood Church:

“We have never closed our doors. We will continue to be a distribution center for those in need. We are prepared to house people once shelters reach capacity. Lakewood will be a value to the community in the aftermath of this storm in helping our fellow citizens rebuild their lives.”