Is It Ok To Punch A Nazi?

a reply to: Edumakated

To answer your question: No.

People get pissed off at things and lose their temper all the time. I have no tolerance for such people in life, every single one of them is scum. From the person who sucker punches a Nazi, to the person who has a little too much liquor and throws a punch.

It's not ok. If you're convined that Nazi's or anyone else is bad, then such a conclusion should be self evident to the majority of citizens, and it can be handled through elections, legislation, and the legal system.

There's no reason to throw a punch.

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

There's violent, idiotic, irrational, badly behaved people in every group on Earth. If you want to pretend there's no bad people on the Right then I hope the rest of your delusions are just as wonderful.

a reply to: Kali74

Nope, I don't pretend that at all. You have made that incorrect assumption all on your own.

This is a symptom typical of someone from the left. They are almost completely unable to control their imaginations in coming up with what they think people who disagree with them are like, merely because of an inability to grasp the concepts they present to them.

Counter this with those who are alt-right - something they also are completely unable to comprehend the meaning of - are often refugees of the left wing. They know the left's MO and they know what the left believes; how they see the world. Add to that an ability to think critically and rationally and the alt-right is basically just the left wing that uses their brains and isn't stupid.

If I was still on the left I'd want to demonize the alt-right, too.

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

You have made that incorrect assumption

I didn't assume:

If you

I'm glad to know you're not delusional.

This is a symptom typical of someone from the left. They are almost completely unable to control their imaginations in coming up with what they think people who disagree with them are like, merely because of an inability to grasp the concepts they present to them.

Says the person throwing blanket statements about others all over the place.

Counter this with those who are alt-right - something they also are completely unable to comprehend the meaning of

Are you aware of my understanding of the alt-right or are you assuming that my understanding is wrong just because I'm a leftist?

are often refugees of the left wing.

I don't care what they're a refugee of. I care that they're now alt-right.

They know the left's MO and they know what the left believes; how they see the world.

How's that now?

Add to that an ability to think critically and rationally and the alt-right is basically just the left wing that uses their brains and isn't stupid.

Sure. Let's revisit delusional at some point.

You realize my 1st post in the thread was stating that it's not okay to punch Nazi's and then I said it was dumb to deny Leftists started trouble too?

What's your issue with me? Is it just me being a Leftist?

originally posted by: Kali74
No and as a Leftist, it's pretty dumb to deny there were Leftists starting trouble and initiating violence in Charlottesville.

I wonder if this is one of those areas where we see eye to eye.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

In self-defense. If they physically attack me, or someone I'm with, or my family, anywhere, all bets are, of course, off, and I'll do my damnedest to bury them, figuratively, or literally, depending upon the circumstance.

But...

I am not about to walk up to some bigot, of whatever stripe, and just cold cock him/her. Certainly not for speaking their piece. That would make anything I ever say about Freedom of Speech an utter and complete hypocrisy, wouldn't it?

But...

No one says I have to listen to them. No one says I have to agree with them. In point of fact, I don't. I will, however, defend their right to say it, while holding my nose.

I've had enough encounters with their sort in RL to safely say the above...

a reply to: Kali74

You're damn right I'm throwing blanket statements around about the left, you do it about the right so who the heck do you think you are to be the hypocrite? Oh, of course, the obvious leftist.

a reply to: GusMcDangerthing

...and you wonder why things are as they are?

You really shouldn't.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
It's the Paradox of Tolerance.

At what point does tolerance of intolerance allow the intolerance to subvert the tolerance?

If you woke up tomorrow and the Nazis were in control of the country would you fight back? If the answer is yes, at what point in their rise to power would it have been acceptable to fight back?

There is no paradox, but that's a fun little joke you have there.

The Nazi's won because people voted them in. It's what people wanted. They thought they could bring change, and they did. The Nazi economic turnaround of Germany is one of the greatest success stories of economic socialism.

originally posted by: GusMcDangerthing
a reply to: Kali74

You're damn right I'm throwing blanket statements around about the left, you do it about the right so who the heck do you think you are to be the hypocrite? Oh, of course, the obvious leftist.

Are you sure I throw blanket statements around about anyone? Show me because I don't like to do that.

a reply to: projectvxn

That all groups have good and bad people?

I know it's not. I just think everyone needs to realize that in order to actually start talking.

a reply to: Kali74

I'm not sure I agree. I don't see any good coming from groups like AN/ANP/KKK or BLM/ANTIFA. They've managed to sucker the whole nation into their stupid game.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Kali74

I'm not sure I agree. I don't see any good coming from groups like AN/ANP/KKK or BLM/ANTIFA. They've managed to sucker the whole nation into their stupid game.

The guys on the bottom panel are the worst:

a reply to: seagull

Precisely, this is what freedom of association means.

They can do or say what they want. No one forces us to participate ... unless they want us to bake a cake for their rally .... or photograph it for them ... or something like that. You know because that would be discrimination.

originally posted by: Kali74
No and as a Leftist, it's pretty dumb to deny there were Leftists starting trouble and initiating violence in Charlottesville.

Refreshing to hear you admit this...

I'd be curious to know your opinion as to why you think the media is tripping over themselves to make it look like Trump said something controversial by stating the same thing?

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Kali74

I'm not sure I agree. I don't see any good coming from groups like AN/ANP/KKK or BLM/ANTIFA. They've managed to sucker the whole nation into their stupid game.

I am tired and being less careful in my wording than normal. I'm much less inclined to say there's good people in hate groups but I hope there's some misguided but good hearted people that see the light of day and get out.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Kali74
No and as a Leftist, it's pretty dumb to deny there were Leftists starting trouble and initiating violence in Charlottesville.

Refreshing to hear you admit this...

I'd be curious to know your opinion as to why you think the media is tripping over themselves to make it look like Trump said something controversial by stating the same thing?

Trump is his own worst enemy. I'll leave it at that. Also, I'm not admitting anything... I'm giving honest opinion as I always do in the hope to have honest conversation.

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: GusMcDangerthing
a reply to: Kali74

You're damn right I'm throwing blanket statements around about the left, you do it about the right so who the heck do you think you are to be the hypocrite? Oh, of course, the obvious leftist.

Are you sure I throw blanket statements around about anyone? Show me because I don't like to do that.

There's nothing wrong with doing it, it make conversation slightly easier to manage.

I want everyone here, right, left and middle to think about that photograph for a moment.

There is ZERO equivalence between the White Wing Nazis and those that rose up to oppose their message of hate.

I encourage EVERYONE to read the EYE WITNESS accounts of what really happened ... to Ministers, Pastors, leaders of Congregations ... as they stood to oppose the hateful message of the KKK-ers, the Nazis, the Alt-Righters.

They were ATTACKED by the UTR folks on several occasions. The ANTIFA folks protected the protesters.

Yes, What About the “Alt-Left”? What the counter-protesters Trump despises were actually doing in Charlottesville last weekend.

Here's what one of the religious protesters reported ...

I stood with a group of interfaith clergy and other people of faith in a nonviolent direct action meant to keep the white nationalists from entering the park to their hate rally. We had far fewer people holding the line than we had hoped for, and frankly, it wasn’t enough. No police officers in sight (that I could see from where I stood), and we were prepared to be beaten to a bloody pulp to show that while the state permitted white nationalists to rally in hate, in the many names of God, we did not. But we didn’t have to because the anarchists and anti-fascists got to them before they could get to us. I’ve never felt more grateful and more ashamed at the same time. The antifa were like angels to me in that moment.

Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here's what witnesses say

The two "sides" in Charlottesville were anything but "the same."

Yes, when Nazis are assaulting innocent unarmed church-people with bats, batons and shields ... it IS OKAY TO PUNCH THEM.

It's defense. I've seen ridiculous "what ifs" from white-wing apologists today ... what if the ANTIFA fighters didn't show up? Well then nothing would have happened, would it? Actually, more than likely even more innocent people would have been hurt, crippled and killed.

What if the slimy terrorists of the KKK, Alt-Right, Neo-Nazi hadn't decided to invade Charlottesville and try to intimidate the residents and enforce their will on them? Let's put the real blame on the real reason that ANY OF THIS CRAP happened.

Seems to me the takeaway for Nazis and their Sympathizers is .. "Don't start nuthin' ... won't be nuthin'."

An outpouring of hatred and violence meant to end local determination was scheduled this last weekend ... and it was met by brave Americans standing up for American values of personal responsibility, honor and equality.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Like anti-fa was storming Normandy beach. In reality they were stopping American citizens from going to their rally. So much for American values.