Is It Ok To Punch A Nazi?

a reply to: projectvxn

An appropriate quote.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
If you woke up tomorrow and the Nazis were in control of the country would you fight back? If the answer is yes, at what point in their rise to power would it have been acceptable to fight back?

This is improbable and therefore not even worthy of discussion...but to appease...

If Kim Jung Un has taken over America when you awake in the morning, when should you have decided to support pre-emptive strike on him?

It doesn't matter, because it's improbable. The Neo-Nazi movement is not in the midst of a rise to power. And like has been said in another comment in another thread, we have municipal, county, state, and federal police, along with the nation's military, who will be speed bumps on the way to a Neo-Nazi takeover. If you are sincerely concerned that they will overtake every one of those and make it to the White House, I think that you need to take a break and breathe.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Would that be before or after the first kiss?

You could ask Jerry Marsden about that, he got suckered by a ladyboy one time, and I do think it was shock that brought out a pontential damaging situation at the time...but that's not really the same thing though.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Damn you!! I was going to edit that, lol.

Would that be before or after the first kiss?

Sometime in-between, so we can swap teeth.

You're weird a Nazi.

a reply to: Edumakated

Why did you use "Nazi" in your title when Richard Spencer is a White Nationalist who was actually in the middle of denouncing Nazis when he was sucker punched?

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Where did I say I was afraid of it happening? It's simply a thought experiment. I was hoping to maybe facilitate some higher level discourse than what we've been seeing.

Does Popper's concept of the Paradox of Tolerance have any validity? And if so, at what point does it become appropriate to no longer show tolerance towards intolerance?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: SlapMonkey

And if so, at what point does it become appropriate to no longer show tolerance towards intolerance?

When the intolerance starts breaking the law to a point that it directly affects me and my family (and community, to a lesser extent). But you must understand, I can have zero tolerance for racism and still allow racists to legally use their first-amendment right(s).

a reply to: Edumakated

Legally, not until they attack you first.

Morally, I'm torn about it. The events from Charlottesville and Trump's doubling-down on his comments from Saturday are making me think about what it means to be American and what we want to stand for as a nation.

As a young country, we are going through growing pains.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

So then, by your own definition, it is okay for people to freely attack Nazis in Charlottesville. Do you agree with that statement?

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: Edumakated

Legally, not until they attack you first.

Morally, I'm torn about it. The events from Charlottesville and Trump's doubling-down on his comments from Saturday are making me think about what it means to be American and what we want to stand for as a nation.

As a young country, we are going through growing pains.

FFS gang violence runs rampart in the U.S. and 1 tragic fatality of a woman and people lose their #. Nice priorities you people got there.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: Edumakated

Legally, not until they attack you first.

Morally, I'm torn about it. The events from Charlottesville and Trump's doubling-down on his comments from Saturday are making me think about what it means to be American and what we want to stand for as a nation.

As a young country, we are going through growing pains.

FFS gang violence runs rampart in the U.S. and 1 tragic fatality of a woman and people lose their #. Nice priorities you people got there.

Charlottesville took on a larger symbolic meaning for many of us. The lady that was struck with the car is one of my heroes. Her name will go down in history as a martyr who put her life on the line to speak out against white nationalism.

a reply to: Edumakated

If it's a genuine Nazi then there is only one way to deal with them. The Stalin way

The media has everybody all hyped up. They are a tool of the agenda makers.

Nothing happening in my town. Not a whole lot in my state. Not much in my region. But, to listen to CNN, MSNBC, and some others, the country is on fire.

~~sigh

a reply to: queenofswords

The small town I live in just had a similar Confederate statue related protest postponed and then canceled because the organizers couldn't guarantee Nazis wouldn't show up. This was then followed by a councilman proposing the statue should be removed. And then just today the statue was vandalized.

This is definitely something that has struck a chord with America. Just because it's not happening where you live doesn't mean it's not happening.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
It's the Paradox of Tolerance.

At what point does tolerance of intolerance allow the intolerance to subvert the tolerance?

Probably whenever we find out how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

originally posted by: Edumakated


Had BLM, antifa, or whoever just ignored these Unite The Right guys, they would have just disappeared back into oblivion.

No, they wouldn't. They are actually thriving and enjoying the spotlight...either with the help of those who protest against them or without that help. They are feeling quite emboldened under the current administration and are pushing themselves further into the spotlight...even to the point of soft-selling themselves as having conservative, christian ideals.

Anyone that instigates violence should understand that they may receive it back. Using violence and the threats of violence to push political positions is the definition of a terrorist in a democratic state. In fact, it's a tactic that was used heavily by the actual nazis as well as communists and other totalitarians.

After it becomes acceptable to punch a nazi (without other cause), next will be, is it ok to kill a nazi, or someone that doesn't condemn nazis hard enough? How about bigots? Can we punch them? Who decides who's a bigot? You? Clinton said that half the country is bigots, so is it ok to punch half the country? Is it ok to kill them because you said they are a bigot? Maybe put them in prison [concentration] camps? What exactly is the lefts final solution anyhow? Beat everyone into submission? How do they not understand that their actions are feeding neo-nazis exactly what they need to gain support?

If you really want America to look like Syria in a few years, then by all means, go punch "nazis". Otherwise, chill the # out and stop feeding the hate.

Yeah, that IS where it's going if we let it.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: Edumakated

Depends.

Am I going to go up to a neo-Nazi/white supremacist and start shouting at them or hitting them?

No. It's a stupid thing to do.

Have I been at rallies and marches where my group and I were challenged by neo-Nazis/White Supermicists/etc? Yes, I have. Walked right on past them without engaging.

WOULD I ever punch one of them? Yes, if I saw a group of them attacking someone I would step in to stop them (though I'd be more likely to use the techniques we learned in Kung-Fu... yank them backwards and use my weight to pin them down while yelling for others to help me).

My preference is for peaceful demonstrations and ignoring the jerks. That strategy empowers the left wing to get out and get involved (there's data to show this, in fact... a lot of data.) Violence tends to empower and motivate the right-wing base.

But the world tends to lack your overall sanity.

If it didn't, we'd all be a lot happier I think.

ROFL!

The sad truth is that this kind of sanity comes easy for me. I don't live in a bad neighborhood, I can afford to see a doctor that I like and specialists that I need, I can afford more education, we can go out to dinner whenever we like and wherever we like, I can buy just about anything I want within reason (see my shiny new laptop I just got this week! HP Envy 360x - gonna take it off to watch the eclipse this weekend!)

We can afford to travel. We can afford to support causes without fear of losing job, friends, or family.

It's easy for someone like me to be peaceful and hunt peaceful solutions - and I can even leverage my education to get people to listen to me in spite of being a woman. As an Older White Woman, I can even step in as advocate for others. That's a tiny bit of power.

Others aren't so lucky - many friends can't afford any of that. If unrest came to their town, they don't have secure streets and might not be able to speak up without losing jobs and more.

I wish we could all sit down to dinner and learn to get along together.

Only not MY dinner. I'm trying to (re)learn to cook and I'm really awful at it. My latest effort is not quite biological warfare but it's sure not worthy of Julia Child!

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Most Americans are stupid, and follow the queue's provided them by their choice of media.

Its struck a chord because someone is strumming the strings.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Am i allowed to punch a male BLM supporter unprovoked just because of his ideology?

Only if you report back afterwards.

Be sure to remember to turn off your body cam first..