Spotify Banning Neo Nazi Music

a reply to: Perfectenemy

So if a Christian-owned music subscription service banned music celebrating homosexuality, you would fight that just as hard as you are fighting this?

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Edumakated
Are you denying the Silicon Valley leans left politically? The point is they are banning stuff they disagree with.

You are reducing the fight against Nazi ideology to a simple "disagreement". This isn't about "stuff they disagree with" any more than banning child pornography is a matter of "disagreement".

There is a clear line being crossed when the ideology you follow has the end goal of genocide. Those people should not be heard. Period. Not because I disagree with them but because they are #ing Nazis.

Criticizing a private company for withdrawing their affiliation with Nazis isn't defensible by any logic, left or right.

Yeah the fight against Nazi's but what happens if you run out of people to prosecute. Who will be next? Are people really this stupid that they can't see where this is heading. Well i warned you please enjoy your soylent green.

Where what is heading?! The only slippery slope that's been happening for the last couple of years is a broadened acceptance to Nazi ideology.

Resisting this is where we've always stood! So where does a firm stance against Nazi ideology lead? What are you afraid of? We've never been this open to the concept before.

Oh you will soon regret your stance when your right for free speech gets infringed. Like it or not but even Nazi's have rights and as long they are commiting no crimes they deserve to be treated like everyone else. That's why we have Law and Order. People are now itching to hunt them down like dogs. All human lives matter and if you think otherwise you're just another hypocrite. Like i mentioned time and time againevery innocent person that gets now caught in the crossfire is on your hands.

How is Spotify removing Nazi music infringing their rights?

Christian book stores don't carry books on witchcraft. Is that infringing on my rights?

Wouldn't forcing Spotify to carry Nazi music be infringing on their rights?

Instead of defending Nazi music, why not defend your non-regulation stance and defend Spotify's rights as a private business?

Like i pointed out Hip Hop is equally worse but Spotify is still ignoring that for some reason. They are just virtue signaling and that pisses me off. Either your policies count for everyone or not at all.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Perfectenemy

So if a Christian-owned music subscription service banned music celebrating homosexuality, you would fight that just as hard as you are fighting this?

Of course I have no personal stakes in this. My personal feelings are completely irrelevant.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Edumakated
Are you denying the Silicon Valley leans left politically? The point is they are banning stuff they disagree with.

You are reducing the fight against Nazi ideology to a simple "disagreement". This isn't about "stuff they disagree with" any more than banning child pornography is a matter of "disagreement".

There is a clear line being crossed when the ideology you follow has the end goal of genocide. Those people should not be heard. Period. Not because I disagree with them but because they are #ing Nazis.

Criticizing a private company for withdrawing their affiliation with Nazis isn't defensible by any logic, left or right.

Yeah the fight against Nazi's but what happens if you run out of people to prosecute. Who will be next? Are people really this stupid that they can't see where this is heading. Well i warned you please enjoy your soylent green.

Where what is heading?! The only slippery slope that's been happening for the last couple of years is a broadened acceptance to Nazi ideology.

Resisting this is where we've always stood! So where does a firm stance against Nazi ideology lead? What are you afraid of? We've never been this open to the concept before.

Oh you will soon regret your stance when your right for free speech gets infringed. Like it or not but even Nazi's have rights and as long they are commiting no crimes they deserve to be treated like everyone else. That's why we have Law and Order. People are now itching to hunt them down like dogs. All human lives matter and if you think otherwise you're just another hypocrite. Like i mentioned time and time againevery innocent person that gets now caught in the crossfire is on your hands.

How is Spotify removing Nazi music infringing their rights?

Christian book stores don't carry books on witchcraft. Is that infringing on my rights?

Wouldn't forcing Spotify to carry Nazi music be infringing on their rights?

Instead of defending Nazi music, why not defend your non-regulation stance and defend Spotify's rights as a private business?

Like i pointed out Hip Hop is equally worse but Spotify is still ignoring that for some reason. They are just virtue signaling and that pisses me off. Either your policies count for everyone or not at all.

So it's not about rights, free speech, or any of those other things. You finally admit that you're just pissed off about what you see as virtue signalling.

In that case, limit your argument to that and stop virtue signalling with the 1st amendment.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Perfectenemy

So if a Christian-owned music subscription service banned music celebrating homosexuality, you would fight that just as hard as you are fighting this?

A christian owned music subscription isn't holding itself up as major streaming service open to all... subtle difference.

While I agree that private businesses can do what they want, many of these services are essentially monopolies/oligopolies. Almost utilities in a way. These aren't niche services and their censorship can have a huge impact.

Sure, many of these groups will go underground and distribute, but that really isn't the point.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Edumakated
Are you denying the Silicon Valley leans left politically? The point is they are banning stuff they disagree with.

You are reducing the fight against Nazi ideology to a simple "disagreement". This isn't about "stuff they disagree with" any more than banning child pornography is a matter of "disagreement".

There is a clear line being crossed when the ideology you follow has the end goal of genocide. Those people should not be heard. Period. Not because I disagree with them but because they are #ing Nazis.

Criticizing a private company for withdrawing their affiliation with Nazis isn't defensible by any logic, left or right.

Yeah the fight against Nazi's but what happens if you run out of people to prosecute. Who will be next? Are people really this stupid that they can't see where this is heading. Well i warned you please enjoy your soylent green.

Where what is heading?! The only slippery slope that's been happening for the last couple of years is a broadened acceptance to Nazi ideology.

Resisting this is where we've always stood! So where does a firm stance against Nazi ideology lead? What are you afraid of? We've never been this open to the concept before.

Oh you will soon regret your stance when your right for free speech gets infringed. Like it or not but even Nazi's have rights and as long they are commiting no crimes they deserve to be treated like everyone else. That's why we have Law and Order. People are now itching to hunt them down like dogs. All human lives matter and if you think otherwise you're just another hypocrite. Like i mentioned time and time againevery innocent person that gets now caught in the crossfire is on your hands.

How is Spotify removing Nazi music infringing their rights?

Christian book stores don't carry books on witchcraft. Is that infringing on my rights?

Wouldn't forcing Spotify to carry Nazi music be infringing on their rights?

Instead of defending Nazi music, why not defend your non-regulation stance and defend Spotify's rights as a private business?

Like i pointed out Hip Hop is equally worse but Spotify is still ignoring that for some reason. They are just virtue signaling and that pisses me off. Either your policies count for everyone or not at all.

Very little hip hop promotes violence or hatred.

Spotify statement says they will not promote any content that incites hatred based on race, religion or sexuality.

If a song offends you then report it.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Edumakated
Are you denying the Silicon Valley leans left politically? The point is they are banning stuff they disagree with.

You are reducing the fight against Nazi ideology to a simple "disagreement". This isn't about "stuff they disagree with" any more than banning child pornography is a matter of "disagreement".

There is a clear line being crossed when the ideology you follow has the end goal of genocide. Those people should not be heard. Period. Not because I disagree with them but because they are #ing Nazis.

Criticizing a private company for withdrawing their affiliation with Nazis isn't defensible by any logic, left or right.

Yeah the fight against Nazi's but what happens if you run out of people to prosecute. Who will be next? Are people really this stupid that they can't see where this is heading. Well i warned you please enjoy your soylent green.

Where what is heading?! The only slippery slope that's been happening for the last couple of years is a broadened acceptance to Nazi ideology.

Resisting this is where we've always stood! So where does a firm stance against Nazi ideology lead? What are you afraid of? We've never been this open to the concept before.

Oh you will soon regret your stance when your right for free speech gets infringed. Like it or not but even Nazi's have rights and as long they are commiting no crimes they deserve to be treated like everyone else. That's why we have Law and Order. People are now itching to hunt them down like dogs. All human lives matter and if you think otherwise you're just another hypocrite. Like i mentioned time and time againevery innocent person that gets now caught in the crossfire is on your hands.

How is Spotify removing Nazi music infringing their rights?

Christian book stores don't carry books on witchcraft. Is that infringing on my rights?

Wouldn't forcing Spotify to carry Nazi music be infringing on their rights?

Instead of defending Nazi music, why not defend your non-regulation stance and defend Spotify's rights as a private business?

Like i pointed out Hip Hop is equally worse but Spotify is still ignoring that for some reason. They are just virtue signaling and that pisses me off. Either your policies count for everyone or not at all.

So it's not about rights, free speech, or any of those other things. You finally admit that you're just pissed off about what you see as virtue signalling.

In that case, limit your argument to that and stop virtue signalling with the 1st amendment.

It's both and i admit it freely.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Perfectenemy

So if a Christian-owned music subscription service banned music celebrating homosexuality, you would fight that just as hard as you are fighting this?

While I agree that private businesses can do what they want, many of these services are essentially monopolies/oligopolies. Almost utilities in a way. These aren't niche services and their censorship can have a huge impact.

No music streaming service is a utility.

Considering the objections of black folks (especially black women) to "Gangster Rap" and and mainstream rap today, that's a tough call. Rick Ross got slammed for his molly line, Lil Wayne had to apologize for his Emmit Till reference because black folks wasn't playing around, Nelly was driven from black all female hbcu's because black women didn't like how they portrayed in his video and his Tip Drill was the last straw (back in the BET UnCut days kids!).

Ever since it became edgy, raw, and unfiltered Rap has been criticized.

There are songs in the Rap genre that didn't get any commercial play because of the lyrics. Hell, they censored Biggie's "time to get paid blow up like the world trades!" and that was after the world trade centers got hit the first time. they went back and edited it out afterwards.

KRS ONE is one that had a hard time getting air play because of the lyrics in his song and this was before the internet. It was either Radio, concerts, or (when cds dropped commerically) mixtapes, that's it. If they said what some of the real questionable things these white power groups, they would get censored too, that is totally my opinion too, we can argue back and forth on that aspect.

My long drawn out point is that contrary to what is believed, yes, Rap has been and is censored. But then again, you have people that blame their kids shooting someone on lyrics and video games. And that's for all genre's!

I think this is really going down a dangerous path.

I agree with this. Put up another disclaimer or additional one. On the flipside however, as I've pointed out, Rap has been and still is patrolled. Especially nowadays.

I dunno, i'm torn on this. Today it's Neo Nazi's. Tomorrow it's Rap, then rock, then dad rock (thats at you old timer ATS members), then jazz, then all of sudden everyone is listening the born against quadrasexual Justin Bieber.

Too slippery for me to say, approve of this move. I don't listen to Spotify so i'm good on that.

a reply to: Perfectenemy

They are just virtue signaling and that pisses me off.

Maybe you should toughen up then, if you're so easily upset.

I can only imagine how upset you were when Google and GoDaddy banned DailyStormer from their hosting platforms. Of course, Spotify went out of their way to exclude thug-culture in their list of reasons why they've removed some music but not other types.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
Considering the objections of black folks (especially black women) to "Gangster Rap" and and mainstream rap today, that's a tough call. Rick Ross got slammed for his molly line, Lil Wayne had to apologize for his Emmit Till reference because black folks wasn't playing around, Nelly was driven from black all female hbcu's because black women didn't like how they portrayed in his video and his Tip Drill was the last straw (back in the BET UnCut days kids!).

Ever since it became edgy, raw, and unfiltered Rap has been criticized.

There are songs in the Rap genre that didn't get any commercial play because of the lyrics. Hell, they censored Biggie's "time to get paid blow up like the world trades!" and that was after the world trade centers got hit the first time. they went back and edited it out afterwards.

KRS ONE is one that had a hard time getting air play because of the lyrics in his song and this was before the internet. It was either Radio, concerts, or (when cds dropped commerically) mixtapes, that's it. If they said what some of the real questionable things these white power groups, they would get censored too, that is totally my opinion too, we can argue back and forth on that aspect.

My long drawn out point is that contrary to what is believed, yes, Rap has been and is censored. But then again, you have people that blame their kids shooting someone on lyrics and video games. And that's for all genre's!

I think this is really going down a dangerous path.

I agree with this. Put up another disclaimer or additional one. On the flipside however, as I've pointed out, Rap has been and still is patrolled. Especially nowadays.

I dunno, i'm torn on this. Today it's Neo Nazi's. Tomorrow it's Rap, then rock, then dad rock (thats at you old timer ATS members), then jazz, then all of sudden everyone is listening the born against quadrasexual Justin Bieber.

Too slippery for me to say, approve of this move. I don't listen to Spotify so i'm good on that.

Well said i'm worried that people will not stop because whatever they did it worked with Spotify.

a reply to: Edumakated

I'm all for a private entity making a business decision, as well as people pointing out the inconsistency in their morals (i.e. they still have gangster rap, communist / revolution influenced music, and other stuff with hateful lyrics)...

Overall this story is kind of a "meh" for me.

a reply to: Edumakated

This

many of these services

doesn't exactly line up with this

are essentially monopolies/oligopolies

You can't cry about a monopoly or limited competition when there's tens or dozens of "things" that provide a service, ranging from "free" to paying twenty bucks a month.

What an absurd argument.

a reply to: britishpatriot

Spotify can remove if they want, just means that people will find other means to get it.

Yes exactly, so no "freedom of speech" has been denied.
The Government didn't outlaw nazi music, so the nazi scum still have their constitutional right to propagate their hatred by what ever "private commercial" means available to them.

& I still have the right to call them nazi scum.

K~

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: RazorV66

Only it hasn't been banned. A private company has decided to stop streaming it. Not quite the same thing.

Look I don't care...I didnt even know there was "White Power" music or whatever you want to call it.
Get rid of it all.....the dangerous precedent that is being set, that is the problem I have.
So you are ok with this, I get it and so am I to a point.
You use the "private company" story...that they can do what they want..yes...they can do what they want.
But as another example here....remember the cake baking company that wouldn't make the cake for the gay couple's wedding because they didn't believe in that sort of thing?...."private company" again...they should be able to do what they want, right?
Remember the backlash they got?....why should they have had to deal with that?...they are a "private company" after all, they can do what they want.
I don't advocate discriminating against gays, but why is censorship of this music right and the other wrong?

a reply to: Abysha

stop virtue signalling with the 1st amendment.

Virtue signalling about virtue signalling.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Perfectenemy

They are just virtue signaling and that pisses me off.

Maybe you should toughen up then, if you're so easily upset.

I can only imagine how upset you were when Google and GoDaddy banned DailyStormer from their hosting platforms. Of course, Spotify went out of their way to exclude thug-culture in their list of reasons why they've removed some music but not other types.

Ah back to accused of being a Nazi. It's truly pointless to discuss anything anymore. The second you defend something people don't like its over. I never visited the DailStormer but hey accusing people without evidence is the new go to line to shut them up. Btw if the DailyStormer didn't break any laws then yes i would have defended them as well. I wasn't even aware they got banned. The world is not all black and white.

Could you please point out when i accused you of being someone you're not? I'll wait.

Why is it so hard for people to understand a private company can do what ever the F## they want? If you dont like it, then dont patronize that business.

If it were the government censoring someone that would be a different issue.

But it aint.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: DanteGaland


Right. Basic stuff. Folks get distracted by all the slippery slope nonsense but the truth is far simpler: if my company's association with your music hurts our reputation or bottom line, it will be discarded.


Don't like it? Try googling for your favorite Nazi band's website. If anyone is willing to host it, that is.


This is actually an extension of the my car/my rules paradigm. I am going to X. If you want to ride with me, you need to understand that I control the playlist. My car, my music. Don't like it? Arrange for some other form of transportation.

Only problem with that is that there is no other place they can go, because they will be banned everywhere, including using their own server and website. I agree that a company can decide what they don't want but as it is these days we are in for a complete eradication of disallowed taste or opinion and I have to say that that scares me more than a few neo nazi bands that existed for years and nobody cared.

I have seen and experienced this before. My parents were in WW2. My dad was fighting in the war [German side], he wasn't a nazi, he was a 16 year old, excited to go places. My mum was in the BDM [Bund Deutscher Maedchen - Hitler youth for girls]. Again, she didn't even know what was going on, all they did was fry sausages and walk through forests a lot, much like the brownies.

Both parents used to tell me stories all the time, especially how it all started and what people really thought.

Hold that thought.

Then we lived not too far from the East German border [west side]. We knew people on the other side and I know all about how scary it actually was living there. Not being allowed to have a differing opinion. Stasi coming round for coffee [brown water] asking you in a friendly tone who to vote for...etc.
People disappeared sometimes because they were uttering illegal thoughts...

From their side, the west was the DEVIL, NAZIS, BIGOTS and generally the EVIL ones and the East was the 'good guys'. Of course a lot of people knew different but a lot actually went with it and enforced that belief.

I used to be scared of East Germany. Sometimes I would watch their TV and everything scared me about it. Their propagandistic films, their weird music entertainment where almost everyone was allowed to appear on the show and sing wholesome songs.

I always thought though that these two scenarios could never happen again. Actual Socialistic [Nazi] rise and the East German tyranny. I really thought we had learned.

And for the first time in my life I feel fear. It is the left that scares me the most.

They are relentless, just like the original Nazis were. They are righteous to ann extent they don't mind hurting [physically] those that disagree because they are so full of their own 'goodness' they have lost the plot and can't see that they are doing exactly what they claim to hate.
And they do it well.

Too well. I have seen/heard about this before and it is EXACTLY how evil regimes behaved.

The neo nazi bands, nor the few crackpot white supremacists scare me much. They have always been around and nothing much came from them. However the left worries me a lot, they are gaining momentum for something I loathe more than a few hurt feelings. They are so crazy that it seems ok for [so called] minorities to threaten, hate and wanting to destroy openly. I have read some stuff written by black people about cracka's deserving to die, talking about children etc. How is that allowed?

If white supremacists or neo nazis are on the rise it is a direct reaction to the leftist behaviour and restrictions.
I am not condoning it, I am explaining it. Banning them will only attract more people, especially those with little brains who have no other way to express their disdain at the leftist agenda.

The extreme left is [like always] so violent and stupid, they don't understand that 'they are the baddies' and the same mistakes are made only this time they wear sandals and have beards. But they are the same as Hitler's lot and the Stasi.

a reply to: Edumakated

You don't have to be a Christian to subscribe to a Christian music service, but this service won't provide music that goes against their main subscriber base.

Spotify has made the decision to make their main subscriber base non-nazis, so you can be a nazi and subscribe to their service, but they won't provide music that goes against their main subscriber base.

Same same.