Charlottesville Driver Innocent?

originally posted by: PlasticWizard

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Edumakated

In this video it looks like no one was around him at the beginning. It appears he headed straight towards a group of people at high speeds, no horn, indiscriminately.

Another thing I noticed is one person ("counter protester" I assume) whacks his car with a bat. Hard to telling from this video but he seems to gun it after that.

Like I said, Not defending anyone, just some things I noticed that don't make sense if this guy was out to kill a bunch of people.

Have the police made a statement about this yet?

Maybe cause he saw the dude was driving into people? He hit him with the bat AS HE WAS SPEEDING INTO PEOPLE. Lol he wasnt hit with a bat, then got scared, then ran people over. he was hit with the bat as he was driving them over

originally posted by: RomeByFire
You people (OP) make me want to puke.

You think and feel like the driver is innocent because YOU do not understand the "why," as to this situation.

Here's a hint. He's a self-identifying Nazi scumbag. Don't think he put too much thought into his own reasonings, he did why Nazi's do:

Terrorize, and murder.

But by all means - continue to defend Nazism and its murderous cohorts.... using unrelated videos of other car-related incidents as "proof."

has the driver actually come out and stated, "i'm a Nazi" ?
if so, can you provide a link? that would be a critical piece of information when trying to understand the events of that day.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: PlasticWizard

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Edumakated

In this video it looks like no one was around him at the beginning. It appears he headed straight towards a group of people at high speeds, no horn, indiscriminately.

First, not defending anyone. Let's get that out of the way.

A few things that bug me about this is, why did the guy hit the breaks before impact if he wanted to mow down people? Brake lights are lit up in the video thumbnail. Why try to stop if you're trying to kill people?

Look at the people left and right of the street, he could have easily taken out way more with a slight turn of the wheel before the final impact. Hell that dude in New York straight up drove on the sidewalk.

Another thing I noticed is one person ("counter protester" I assume) whacks his car with a bat. Hard to telling from this video but he seems to gun it after that.

Like I said, Not defending anyone, just some things I noticed that don't make sense if this guy was out to kill a bunch of people.

Have the police made a statement about this yet?

A+ for you. See how easy this is? You look at the situation and ask questions....

But you will be labeled a nazi sympathizer for daring to question the narrative.

Probably bud.. But anyone who does try and labeled me a Nazi is very terribly wrong. I question everything and take nothing at face value.

I'm just trying to wrap my brain around the situation.

a reply to: alldaylong

Even CNN is having to concede that the president has called them out by name:

"Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said in response to the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: RomeByFire
You people (OP) make me want to puke.

You think and feel like the driver is innocent because YOU do not understand the "why," as to this situation.

Here's a hint. He's a self-identifying Nazi scumbag. Don't think he put too much thought into his own reasonings, he did why Nazi's do:

Terrorize, and murder.

But by all means - continue to defend Nazism and its murderous cohorts.... using unrelated videos of other car-related incidents as "proof."

has the driver actually come out and stated, "i'm a Nazi" ?
if so, can you provide a link? that would be a critical piece of information when trying to understand the events of that day.

Do the pictures of him wearing Nazi garb and attending a Nazi rally not count?

a reply to: Edumakated

Says the guy wasting time getting snippy with me instead of supporting his argument. The more you ad hominem and attack me the more you undermine your argument.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Eh, it's legitimate. We are only two days out from when it happened. Evidence is still being discovered and digested.

Ok. So where is the evidence in the OP?

Motive is circumstantial evidence and might not be apparent, right away. It might not be apparent for a long time.

I'd like to see who benefits most from this murder (and assaults) before I weigh ALL the evidence and reach a conclusion.

As I said, the OP wasn't stating Fields is innocent...s/he was posing the question for discussion. The obvious social/political agenda that benefits from this murder is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant posing the question, IMO.

a reply to: bknapple32

I suspect that you have a video of a different angle to support your claim. As of right now it could go both ways. Also why didn't he just drive on the side walk? Maximum damage that way. Why stick to the road?

You want to speculate? I can speculate.

Fields was from Ohio but the tags on his car were from Virginia. The logical reason for this is that it was a rental car. But from the photos there are no markings that support this fact. Furthermore, in Virginia the state law requires tags on both the front and rear of the car. Now it's a little hard to tell but it doesn't appear there are front tags on this car. This claim is supported by eyewitnesses. This further refutes the claim that Fields was driving a rental car.

So if Fields was not driving a rental car it would stand to reason that this was his car. So where were his Ohio tags? Could it be that he stole a Virginia tag and switched out his Ohio tags? If so that would be a clear indication that he was planning to do something illegal.

And what about the reports that as soon as Fields slammed into the crowd he was immediately conveyed an escape route by other neo-Nazis? If this was such a dangerous area that Fields was fearing for his life in a car then you would think that other fascists would be nowhere near the area, especially on foot. But not only do eyewitness reports suggest that there were neo-Nazis in the area it almost seemed like they knew what to expect considering they were ready to give directions instead of freaking out like everyone else. That would suggest that not only was this an intentional attack but that it was planned by a group and not just a lone wolf operation.

How's that for speculation?

Oh yeah. Also the DOJ has stated that this tragedy fits their definition of a terror attack. So I'm going to go with the assessment of the guys actually doing the investigating as opposed to some Nazi apologists on the internet.

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: RomeByFire
You people (OP) make me want to puke.

You think and feel like the driver is innocent because YOU do not understand the "why," as to this situation.

Here's a hint. He's a self-identifying Nazi scumbag. Don't think he put too much thought into his own reasonings, he did why Nazi's do:

Terrorize, and murder.

But by all means - continue to defend Nazism and its murderous cohorts.... using unrelated videos of other car-related incidents as "proof."

has the driver actually come out and stated, "i'm a Nazi" ?
if so, can you provide a link? that would be a critical piece of information when trying to understand the events of that day.

Thats the crux here isnt it. At the very least hes a white nationalist. Those guys were openly marching with nazis. So its like boko haram and isis?

a reply to: PlasticWizard

Admittedly I was thinking what I myself would do if I felt threatened by protesters. I would more than likely drive away from them than towards them, but he might have panicked. My personal opinion, my speculation , was that it was deliberate.

But as Voltaire said, "In the case of news, we should always wait for the sacrament of confirmation." The only one I see waiting for confirmation was the president.

I think anyone who says anything in support of James Alex Jones was justified in his actions is morally reprehensible. This is clearly a hate crime against people who stand up to the right.

You may find it hard to believe but there was a time in this country when everyone used to hate Nazis:

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Normally one poses a question if they have the evidence to back up asking it. Why ask a question if you cannot prove it may be true? One doesn't ask a question and get others to prove it for them. That is poor arguing and the mark of obfuscation.

ATS used to be a site that got to the bottom of things, not purposely obfuscate an issue because reality may present an angle you don't agree with. This thread is garbage.

a reply to: queenofswords



there's this one, but you can't even see the drivers car in it, but it shows how far the first car in the line was pushed forward...

a reply to: Edumakated

they can't possibly put themselves in the shoes of the driver which is why I posted the motorcycle incident to show people freakout in mob situations.

I'm sure lots of people can put themselves in the shoes of a driver fairly easily.

I just think most people aren't buying the notion that it's a reasonable idea to get away from a small group of people by driving into a larger group of people, and then reversing back through both the large and small groups.

originally posted by: queenofswords
A DOJ investigation has been opened. Their investigation will be thorough and hopefully justice will prevail.

I sure would like to see a visual looking back from the opposite direction. All we have is somebody's phone video of him driving toward a crowd. How do we know what was going on around him just before the impact. How do we know whether or not someone had brandished a gun at him or not. Have you ever looked out at someone pointing the barrel of a gun at you? He could have panicked if he was trying to get away and someone was chasing him.

Maybe there is video from a different vantage point, so we can see who was around his car and what they were doing.

There's a video that's just over two minutes long that was posted in the original thread when the incident first happened by one of the posters here on ATS.

But the video is now blocked on youtube for age appropriation, so you have to sign in as proof of age to watch it (if it's still there).

I watched that video from the original thread when the poster first posted it, which was about 10 or 15 minutes right after the incident happened.



It very clearly shows the guy from a couple of blocks away racing down the street until finally plowing into the crowd. All along those two blocks were only a couple of people walking down the sidewalk. He literally drove through two intersections (where he could have easily turned off).

But he chose to continue speeding down the street straight into the crowd.

The nutjob did not have anyone bothering him two blocks away and he had plenty of time to drive down some other street if he didn't want to get hassled from the crowd.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: alldaylong

Even CNN is having to concede that the president has called them out by name:

"Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said in response to the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.

CNN is doing their usual thing of bashing Donald Trump for waiting 3 days before calling out the groups, and telling Americans how good the economy is before bringing up the Charlottesville mob actions.

I just heard on the radio that CNN this past Thursday said that the government is going to kill Donald Trump. Can anyone confirm that?

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Well i'm still waiting for evidence that he was a WS or a Nazi. Official sources are awfully quiet to confirm that Alex Fields was in fact a WS or a Nazi. I'm reading a lot of comments claiming that but they all have no answer for that question that is also backed up by official sources. Interesting.

That's true.

The fact that he was rocking a white polo and khakis and hanging out with a bunch of other guys wearing the same thing, all holding a shield with a logo from Vanguard America is probably just a bunch of coincidences.

So we have apparently arrived at guilt by association. Vanguard America already cleared the confusion by stating that he wasn't a member and the shields were just handed out to everyone. I could make up dozens of scenarios to explain the photo right on the spot. This is still circumstantial at best. I'm not looking at this from an emotional standpoint btw. I'm just analyzing the facts here. I know that's kinda cold but that's the way how i approach cases like this.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
The guy had two full blocks to change his mind and turn down a side street where there were no crowds of people marching.

There's a video showing the car racing down the street for two blocks (where there were no crowds of people marching), flying by side streets (again, where there were no crowds of people marching), and continuing on at high speed until finally plowing into the crowd.

Then the driver slams the car into reverse, and again tromps on the gas fleeing the scene in reverse, far enough back (roughly another 2 blocks back again) to take off down a side street and make his escape.



Why would the driver be scared for his life when he was two blocks away where there were no crowds of people in the area where he originally tromped on the gas pedal to pick up speed ?

Do you have this video? I'm more than happy to consider the guy did it on purpose in light of other evidence. I am just seeing the clip posted here before and some drone footage that doesn't really show much.

a reply to: Edumakated

its been posted here