Global temperatures COOLER now than when Gore won Nobel Prize in 2007

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: Xenogears

antartica is starting to green up for the first time.

Second time at least, or there would not have been seeds etc, to green up from.

Depends they can spread. Doesn't mean it was all green anytime recent.

In any case the seedbank was meant to last an eternity and endure all conceivable climate extremes, yet even it too is starting to fail.

The last week of May 2017 and first week of June brought one the most extraordinary heatwaves in world history to Asia, the Middle East and Europe. The mercury shot up to an astonishing 53.5°C (128.3°F) at Turbat, Pakistan on May 28, making it Earth’s hottest temperature ever recorded in the month of May—and one of Earth’s top-five hottest reliably-measured temperatures on record, for any month. Both Pakistan and Oman tied their all-time national heat records for any month during the heat wave, and all-time national heat records for the month of May were set in Iran, Norway and Austria. International weather records expert Maximiliano Herrera details the great heat wave in this guest post.-link

a reply to: glend

I read that a polar bear can swim for 50 miles. But they look so depressed in some of those pics climate change must be real.


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originally posted by: seasonal

originally posted by: Xenogears
very interesting,

Seeing multiple location breaking record heat, some at 51C-124F, and multiple sources saying 2017 so far is second warmest year on record only behind 2016.


There is worry the seed banks meant to last for long periods of time and ensure civilization are in danger from melting permafrost, antartica is starting to green up for the first time.

That isn't Antarctica

Antarctica Antarctica is Earth's southernmost continent. It contains the geographic South Pole and is situated in the Antarctic region of the Southern Hemisphere, almost entirely south of the Antarctic Circle, and is surrounded by the Southern Ocean

I know that is the artic, antartica is greening, and the artic is shrinking over time, do not be fooled by extent thin brand new ice is what's replacing thick old ice, and this new ice melts like butter.

The permafrost location of the seedbank meant to withstand temperatures extremes is melting, temperature records are being broken, droughts and fires are taking place, and the permafrost is starting to release its methane.

a reply to: Xenogears

Perhaps this is a normal cycle?

Dunnoh, the word is, the old multi feet thick ice, which is shown as white is being replaced by thin new ice. The way it's going could have artic practically ice free in the near future, as the newer ice melts more rapidly and easily. The video goes 25 years, and shows ice being replaced over time ever more.

original source of thread is suspect according to some

originally posted by: Xenogears
Dunnoh, the word is, the old multi feet thick ice, which is shown as white is being replaced by thin new ice. The way it's going could have artic practically ice free in the near future, as the newer ice melts more rapidly and easily. The video goes 25 years, and shows ice being replaced over time ever more.

original source of thread is suspect according to some

Please define "near future" for us all.

a reply to: seasonal

As always consider your sources:

From Media Matters:

These days Morano is paid by an industry-funded group to run the climate denial website ClimateDepot.com. At Climate Depot, Morano serves as the de facto research department for the right-wing media's attacks on climate science, and mobilizes his readers to target individual scientists and reporters for telling the public about climate change threats. The site was instrumental in manufacturing the 2009 "Climategate" controversy, which Morano incorrectly claimed exposed "deliberate manipulation of facts and data" by climate scientists. Morano is a darling of the organization most committed to climate denial, the Heartland Institute. He regularly speaks at their conferences and defended their controversial billboard comparing those who accept climate science to "murderers, tyrants, and madmen" including the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski.

www.mediamatters.org...

From SourceWatch:

ClimateDepot.com is being financed by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a nonprofit in Washington that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues. Public tax filings for 2003-7 (the last five years for which documents are available) show that the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the ExxonMobil Foundation and foundations associated with the billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, a longtime financier of conservative causes,

www.sourcewatch.org...

You really believe that ExxonMobil and their ilk are interested in TRUTH before PROFITS?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Admitted

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum
www.nasa.gov...

That article was from 2014 and only covers 2012-2014. What I had linked covers centuries. With particular note from 1951-present...citing the human aspect of it.

Dear lord is this the ice vs glacier confusion again.

Remember when there was a hole in the ozone over Australia and skin cancer ran rampant? I do...

Remember when the worlds leaders and elite banded together and funded to fight climate change, and it's working so far. I do.

Remember when people wearing tin foil hats think that climate change whether it's man made or not isn't real and post scientific threads about it, then disregarding that science is for ever changing and evolving... I do.

It's not a cash grab, Gore noticed a change, he noticed something, and at least it WAS something, and actually did something about it. Denying climate change is like denying evolution, because it happens whether you like it or not, whether it's in 'your' perspective, or not.

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: Xenogears

antartica is starting to green up for the first time.

Second time at least, or there would not have been seeds etc, to green up from.

Depends they can spread. Doesn't mean it was all green anytime recent.

In any case the seedbank was meant to last an eternity and endure all conceivable climate extremes, yet even it too is starting to fail.

The last week of May 2017 and first week of June brought one the most extraordinary heatwaves in world history to Asia, the Middle East and Europe. The mercury shot up to an astonishing 53.5°C (128.3°F) at Turbat, Pakistan on May 28, making it Earth’s hottest temperature ever recorded in the month of May—and one of Earth’s top-five hottest reliably-measured temperatures on record, for any month. Both Pakistan and Oman tied their all-time national heat records for any month during the heat wave, and all-time national heat records for the month of May were set in Iran, Norway and Austria. International weather records expert Maximiliano Herrera details the great heat wave in this guest post.-link

You equate human with god like powers?
I appreciate your dedication to your ideal.

a reply to: strongfp

Evolution is a theory.

a reply to: seasonal

Oh boy...

It's also a fact.

a reply to: luthier

No it's not.

But do provide the evidence.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Have you eaten oranges?

a reply to: luthier

Remember when people wearing tin foil hats think that climate change whether it's man made or not isn't real and post scientific threads about it, then disregarding that science is for ever changing and evolving... I do.

No, it is the theory of evolution, it has not graduated to a law yet. See scientific, or do you want to disregard science?

a reply to: seasonal

Do you understand what a scientific theory is and why evolution isn't a law?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: strongfp

Evolution is a theory.

No. It's theory because it has several hypothesis regarding change in the biological makeup of this planet. It's a fact that it happens tho. Instances of evolution have been documented and tested thousands of times. The fossil record is just one example.

a reply to: luthier

Yes it is a theory and not a law.

But let's not get into the weeds.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: luthier

Remember when people wearing tin foil hats think that climate change whether it's man made or not isn't real and post scientific threads about it, then disregarding that science is for ever changing and evolving... I do.

No, it is the theory of evolution, it has not graduated to a law yet. See scientific, or do you want to disregard science?

What laws of science?
There is no absolute in science, therefore it cannot be governed by laws. It's forever chsnging.
I take it you don't know the scientific method do you?