Absolute Proof Jesus Christ is God

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

I hate to be the bearer of bad news buckaroo, but we had just a touch of slavery here in the gold old United States of America at one time by nice Christian folk just trying to make a buck. The rest of your stuff made me laugh as well but this was the most egregious of them.

Actually it was the democrats who wanted to keep slaves... It had nothing to do with religion, but had everything to do with political party affiliation. Not to mention, are you aware that atheists in the past, and even these days have had slaves/sex trafficking? The evils of slavery has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with a sense of superiority and greed.

a reply to: joelr

It has nothing to do with a sky God. It has to do with the spirit inside you and the energy you get from it. You take a lot out of context.

and Yea, I do understand America is not Christian anymore. That's the point I was making. You can't compare America now to America before. It's becoming a a wasteland of ignorance. Kids are so confused today they're shooting up schools, don't know what sex they are, and a entire world of hurt. There's always been war, not because of a belief system. You think America cares the middle east is Islamic? Or China is Athiest? No, it cares to help end slavery and end tyranny.

A lot of people must be equally ignorant as you are, or it's just a tiny group bums you call friends. Agnostics are people who refuse to read a book or two on the subject. They want to ride a gravy train. Have you ever been to the south? There's genuinely a big difference. Like southern hospitality. People are a lot more courteous.. maybe learn something from them.I wonder why that is?

What world do you live in where you can say Vietnam, Cival War, French Revolution, American Revolution, World War 1, Korean War, etc.. has ANYTHING to do with Jesus?

You know what North Korea's problem is? They need Jesus. I am sure they'd take Jesus over Kim any day of week. I bet it won't be such a crap hole either.

To say Jesus never lived is ignorant. Maybe it's just the south, but hey.. there is a MOUNTAIN OF PROOF he lived. Even some of most influential Athiest agree he lived. Its just fact buddy. I know Agnostics don't think can ever understand it because they don't read into it. Agnostics should be defined as, "I believe in God, but don't care or know much about it."

All these theories have been debunked buddy. It's even documented many miracles and solar eclipses. A lot of Pagan ideas came after Jesus. This is also documented. To compare Pagan to Christianity is ignorant as well. There is no proof Christ took from Pagans but there is mountains of evidence that Romans tried to combat Jesus through Paganism by creating mock gods. Just because Constantine, a former pagan, forced our Holy Scripture, our Holy day, and our Jubiliees and replaced it with Pagan ones almost 400 years later, does not mean Jesus was a pagan.

Judaism and Christianity go hand in hand by constant proof and archeological finds. Any thing else is a copy of literature passed on by the Jews. When Archaeologist find things like dead sea scrolls, speaking about Jesus and his miracle birth in Bethlehem 200 years before Jesus lived.. yea, you can expect a lot of people to use that promise as a myth. But hard facts point to Jesus Christ. Documented by Jews and Romans. It boils down to..

1.) He is who he said was(Christian)
2.) He was best magican of all time (Roman)
3.) He was an anti-Christ (Jewish )
4.) The saviour prophet (Islam)

Just a list of what's proven..
Jesus was a real man was greeted by Magi in Egypt at his birth, was baptizied by John the Baptist, was killed by Pilate, by Pharisees, on a cross, for claiming to be the Messiah, performed features such as turning one bread into multiple loafs, formed what's known as Christian movement, had Jews and gentiles believing he was their Lord, when he died during Passover of on 14th a solar eclipse happen for 3 hours, he died that same day, earthquakes shook and rattled Judea, his followers claimed to have seen him resurrect, they would die by their belief in him for years to come, will prophecy in his name. All of that is backed by documentation from historians and other high figures who could not stand him or his Christian movement.

Agnostics, just because you don't think we can understand the Bible, God, or Jesus, doesn't mean you can't. You just gotta try, friend. Read a book or two of people in that time.

I agree that He is God, and that claim is one of the reasons they crucified Him - for blasphemy, so they thought.
I agree that He is the most historically proven person.
I agree that He appeared to you, because He appeared to me and many others, also. He lives!
It is important to get as many people converted now. Time is running out.
According to the sign in the heavens coming up on Sep 23, 2017, we are expecting the rapture, or catching up, to occur on Sep 21, 2017...aka Feast of Trumpets. For more information on the sign of Rev 12:1-2, see youTube videos by Scott Clarke and others. The sign in the heavens only occurs one time in human history...and it's about here. Get ready.

For those of you who still think that no one knows the day nor the hour, remember this: Jesus said that when He was a man. About 50 years later, He came to John and gave the exact sign in the heavens to him, but this time He was sitting as God on the right hand of the Father. As a matter of fact, He said that if you don't know when it is going to happen, He will come to you unexpectedly like a thief in the night like He will to everyone else.

Other indicators:
Long shot election of a man named "Trump" who will be POTUS when the rapture occurs, at the blowing of the trumpet on the Feast of Trumpets on Sep 21, 2017 at 9am PST.
POTUS Trump on inauguration day was 70 yrs 7 mos 7 days old.
Jesus said "I saw Satan as (lightning fall from heaven = Hebrew "Barack Bama")
Most famous rabbi, Yitzak Kaduri, told his followers he met the Messiah, and the name of the Messiah is Jesus.
This is the last predicted pope by Priest Malachi Martin.
God said He would limit the years of man to 120. 2017 is the 120th Jubilee Year. On the Shroud of Turin, Jesus had 120 stripes on His body.
This is the Jewish year 5777, indicating to the Jews that this is the year of the Messiah returning.

God said His people are not appointed unto wrath (it was taken on the cross). He said it would be like in the days of Noah and Lot, (people were removed from the wrath to come, as in the rapture to occur on Sep 21). Therefore, expect the rapture to occur before the sign in the heavens in Rev 12:1-2, or two days before Sep 23.

For those of you who have given yourself to Christ, see you up there!

a reply to: Iostsheep

Just a list of what's proven..
Jesus was a real man was greeted by Magi in Egypt at his birth, was baptizied by John the Baptist, was killed by Pilate, by Pharisees, on a cross, for claiming to be the Messiah, performed features such as turning one bread into multiple loafs, formed what's known as Christian movement, had Jews and gentiles believing he was their Lord, when he died during Passover of on 14th a solar eclipse happen for 3 hours, he died that same day, earthquakes shook and rattled Judea, his followers claimed to have seen him resurrect, they would die by their belief in him for years to come, will prophecy in his name. All of that is backed by documentation from historians and other high figures who could not stand him or his Christian movement.

Problem is there isn't any documentation from "that time" anywhere aside from fragments... most dated to the second century... and literally nothing except a couple from the first century...

Sure, said movement was mentioned here and there in the early second century but... sadly theres nothing that confirms Jesus from the first

Agnostics, just because you don't think we can understand the Bible, God, or Jesus, doesn't mean you can't. You just gotta try, friend. Read a book or two of people in that time.

Good luck finding anything from "that time"...

a reply to: Jim Scott

That's interesting stuff.

I just read about parallels of Jesus and the Native North and South American tribes.

Hopi claim Jesus came to them and warned them of the coming white man, talked of horses pulling chariots, to chariots moving without horses, and eventually taking flight, would give them wonderful technologies such as water, and can stand by house and touch the wall to light the entire house, but one day the water will become too polluted. He warns to stay in touch with his way and understanding of the land. Warns of WW1 and WWII.. even showing them sign of the Nazis. The final one, he would strike the Earth with two hands, and their lights won't work any longer, and their chariots will fall from the sky and day of tribulation begins. But he will return. He claimed to be alpha and the omega. The beginning and the end. And must return to the Father.

There are many more.. but very interesting. I find it intriguing that it ties in with Nostradamas.

One thing I have always found weird as a end time sign was how close Roswell UFO crash, Jews going back to Israel, and discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls all took place at same time in history.. just after end WW2 too.

There is no doubt about Sept 23, the virgin and moon by her heel. And Wormwood. That came to be as well.

a reply to: Akragon
Oh good.. you brought coffee. Here's some books you can read.
“ Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jew, and many of the Gentile. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned Him to the cross, those that loved him at first did not forsake him; for he appeared alive again on the 3rd day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.”
Jewish Antiquities XVIII, 3:2

“So Ananus assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brothers of Jesus, the so-called Christ, whose name was James, along with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned.” Antiquities XX 9:1
Christus, the founder of the Christian name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the pernicious superstition repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, by through the city of Rome as well.” Annals XV,44
(Read more: Acta Diurna Populi Romani, Acta Senatus, Annals XX,55, and Jewish Wars, Book 2 9:2 for further understand of how well Roman historians cept census and records and about Cornelius)


“I asked them directly if they were Christians… those who persisted. I ordered away, those who denied they were, or had ever been Christians, worshipped both your image and the image of the gods and cursed Christ. They used to gather on a stated day and sing to Christ as if he were a god. All the more I found it necessary to find out what was the truth from the two maid servants, which were called deaconesses, by means of torture. Nothing more did I find than a disgusting, fanatical superstition. Therefore I stopped the examination and hastened to consult to you on account of the number of people endangered. For many of all ages, all classes, and both classes are brought into danger.” Plinys Epistle to Emperor Trojan .

There is a village in Judea, 35 stadia from Jerusalem, where Jesus Christ was born, as you can see from the tax registry under Cyrenius, your first procurator in Judea” First Apology, 34

On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness. The rocks were rent by an Earthquake and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus in the 3rd book of his history, calls, as to appear with me without reason, and eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the Passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our saviour falls down on the day before the passover. But an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse from the 6th hour to the 9th- manifestly that one of which we speak.” Chronography XVIII, 47

“Now it was about the 6th hour, and there was a darkness over all the Earth until the 9th hour. Then the sun was darkened and the veil of the Temple was torn in two.”
Luke, 23:44-45

You have Luke, Thallus, Africanus, and Phlegon of Tralles all writing about the events that happens during the time Jesus dies on the cross. Thallus and Phlegon think it's only an eclipse. Phlegon writes:

“In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., AD 33) the greatest eclipse of the sun.. it became night in the sixth hour of the day so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea”

however Africanus, a known historian and believes in Jesus mocks the notion that an eclipse that lasted three full hours was a natural occurrence. Africanus knew, like most Christians, it was a symbol to us of his resurrection. Africanus says:

“Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun—unreasonably as it seems to me.”

Celsus, a known author in 178 AD writes about Jesus in a bad light but never questioned his existence:

“there he learned certain magical powers which the Egyptians are proud to have. He returned full of pride in these powers, and gave himself the title of God” Contra Celsum 1.38

“If Christ had been thrown down a cliff or pushed into a pit, or strangled with a rope … then they would speak of a cliff of life, or a pit of resurrection, or a rope of immortality”. Contra Celsum 6.34

Jews back these claims in the Babylonian Talmud and refer to Jesus as Son of a whore, Esua reborn, Beelzebub..
www.talmudunmasked.com...

“Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.” Matthew 12:25-27

Here are some more arthurs: Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, Lucian of Samosata, Mara-Bar-Serapion, Babylonian Talmud, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Quadratus of Athens, Aristides the Athenian, and Hegesippus…

He is, and still is the most peaceful most righteous man to ever lived and is hated by almost everyone who doesn't love him. It's sad.

Anyways, Jesus is documented from probably as early as 30AD until now. I am not big believer in Catholic church.. but care to take a stare at how massive their archives are?

a reply to: Iostsheep

did you happen to check when any of these people lived?

Aside from Josephus... looks like you just copy and pasted a stack of forum posts from different Christian sites here..

and most scholars aside from christian ones doubt the authenticity of Josephus's texts mentioning "Jesus"... though he does mention "christians" apparently...

Anyways, Jesus is documented from probably as early as 30AD until now. I am not big believer in Catholic church.. but care to take a stare at how massive their archives are?

though its interesting that NT scholars don't agree with you... even a good portion of christian ones... ye know, those that have the ability to actually read what we actually have...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Actually it was the democrats who wanted to keep slaves...It had nothing to do with religion...

Setting aside the case of southern political realignment, the asshats that owned salves were still Christians and used that fact to justify their behavior. It had everything to do with religion, stop being an apologist.

"All servants not being Christians, imported into this colony by shipping, shall be slaves for their lives." - Official Act of the Colony of Virginia, 1670.

"Jesus Christ recognized this (i.e. slavery) institution as one that was lawful among men, and regulated its relative duties. ... I affirm then, first (and no man denies) that Jesus Christ has not abolished slavery by a prohibitory command; and second, I affirm, he has introduced no new moral principle which can work its destruction." - Reverend Thomas Stringfellow, A Scriptural View of Slavery.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

LOL it was you who posted false opinion as facts.

Wrong. I have posted facts, and then added my opinion of how those facts may explain a certain narrative. You, on the other hand, have posted opinions and superstitions, claiming them to be facts.

The fact is........There is NO conclusive proof that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed. It's a fact that there were many "Christ Cults" during that period of time, before, during and after the advent of Jesus of Nazareth.

Now, there's tons of literature, testimony, statues, coins and rituals AND MOVIES, celebrating the Greek Gods and Zeus. That doesn't prove that those gods actual exist, or existed anywhere other than in the minds of their worshippers.

originally posted by: windword
Now, there's tons of literature, testimony, statues, coins and rituals celebrating the Greek Gods and Zeus. That doesn't prove that those gods actual exist, or existed anywhere other than in the minds of their worshippers.

Mmmmhmmm. Guess you missed that little documentary starring Liam Neeson called Clash of the Titans?

I took a piss in the snow yesterday.

The piss pattern led me to believe Jesus was real.

Damn thing winked at me too!

Coomba98

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Point taken! I've edited my post to reflect my blatant omission!

originally posted by: windword
Point taken! I've edited my post to reflect my blatant omission!

Good thing you did because I have a particular set of skills I would have been happy to use on you.

a reply to: Iostsheep

Pineal gland is a very reknown by many as the third eye and key it to mysteries of the super natural and the spiritual and possibly mind control.

I am just going to assume this is in reply to my question about your 'God Gland'.

So the you call it the God Gland?

You are arguing that being meek, humble, and charitable does not strengthen spirits? How so?

if this is in reply to my post then the answer is NO.

I am arguing that that these things do strengthen spirits but that the bible is not required to be humble or charitable.

When it is the apposite I feel disconnected to that. Empty and hollow. The Bible gives you that.

The bible makes you feel empty and hollow?

and Yes, I believe you can't disprove Jesus. I think it is a waste of time to even try.

You really don't get it do you.

It has nothing to do with what you believe.

You cant prove a negative.

Yes, its a waste of time.

You should use all your brains energy to correct and polish and fully understand what you believe.

beliefs don't need any brain power.

How are you correcting your beliefs then?

Or are your beliefs already correct?

Not setting out to disprove something you do not believe. Because how can you understand what you can't believe? How do you know it all to disprove it? Just focus on building your own understanding and let that be enough. Most who "set out to disprove..." end up in failure because they are pursuing something they don't believe or understand fully.

OK let me break it down for you because you seem fixated on disproving Jesus and don't understand how proving something exists/doesn't exist works.

That only happens when someone tries to prove He existed, that definitely happens when someone tries to prove he was God.

Spend time on what you believe in and proving that.

So then this will end faith if beliefs are proven.

Isn't having faith a positive aspect of religious people or simply people in general?

In my opinion, referring either Jesus as a teacher or not existence is silly. Just because you find Gnostic writings, don't make Jesus a Gnostic.

Yes, you have already stated that opinion.

Exactly, so just as finding Gnostic writings doesn't make Jesus a Gnostic finding other texts doesn't make Jesus God or doesn't prove his existence either.

Just because Ebionites and Marcionist existed 100-200 years after Jesus doesn't prove anything. It proves they are heretics.

You don't see a problem with you just said?

"doesn't prove anything" but it "proves they are heretics".

Romans for most part had nothing to do with Christianity, their biggest involvement was Constantine who formed the holy bible we know today. Ironically Rome fell 100 years later to Germany.

So the Holy Bible, the 1 book. hasn't much to do with Christianity?

a reply to: Iostsheep

Agnostics should be defined as, "I believe in God, but don't care or know much about it."

Its actually quite the opposite.

They to any outside observer will be perceived as more in touch with understanding God, something that cant be understood.

Agnostics, just because you don't think we can understand the Bible, God, or Jesus, doesn't mean you can't.

Yes,

Agnostics have a much deeper understanding that its a fools game to try and understand God.

You just gotta try, friend. Read a book or two of people in that time.

any rational thinking person would be agnostic after reading a book or two from that time the more books read the more one becomes agnostic.

A lot of Pagan ideas came after Jesus. This is also documented. To compare Pagan to Christianity is ignorant as well. There is no proof Christ took from Pagans but there is mountains of evidence that Romans tried to combat Jesus through Paganism by creating mock gods. Just because Constantine, a former pagan, forced our Holy Scripture, our Holy day, and our Jubiliees and replaced it with Pagan ones almost 400 years later, does not mean Jesus was a pagan.

There is a day called Christmas day.

You remember about reading a book or two.

Read about the origins of Christmas day.

All of that is backed by documentation from historians and other high figures who could not stand him or his Christian movement.

thats great,

However, there is one thing in which you will need back up.

You said its backed up so you can show where and how its backed up.

This part in particular is what needs verification

a solar eclipse happen for 3 hours

Please do show this documentation you speak of.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yep, and don't forget the "Curse/Mark of Cain" and "Curse of Ham/Canaan" justifications. They claimed that dark skin was God's proof of the curse and that those marked w/dark skin were forever destined to serve Christians.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Yep, and don't forget the "Curse/Mark of Cain" and "Curse of Ham/Canaan" justifications. They claimed that dark skin was God's proof of the curse and that those marked w/dark skin were forever destined to serve Christians.

Good point, I forgot about that.

Instead of just saying, 'yeah, we effed that up good' we get all kinds of mental gymnastics to try and explain it away. It was the largest blemish on our nation by far, when you try to minimize it you don't look very good in the process. Slavery was constantly justified by its proponents using Christian teachings and rationales, it's not open for debate.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yep. Don't get me wrong, I know for a fact that many Islamic civilizations practiced slavery. The "Arab Slave Trade" was a horrific thing and many of the Sudanese and South Sudanese people I know still hold grudges about it. There are even some current countries which have near-slavery economic models, like Pakistan's bonded labor, Mauritania's near slavery, and the "Kafala" system in several Gulf states.

But I also know that there are many Muslim civilizations that shunned slavery. And I know that those forms of oppression don't match my actions or beliefs. In other words, I don't make excuses for what they did or what they are doing just because we claim the same religion. But I also openly oppose that crap because it goes against my personal and religious beliefs.

However here in America, it was only the Christians who enslaved my ancestors. I'm not talking about slavery as a whole on the North & South American continents; I'm talking about my actual family tree. We have extensive records for our ancestry and even have things like the names and relative dates for when specific slaves were loaned out to different plantations. The vast majority of Christians at the time supported slavery & used religion to justify it, although there were definitely Christians who opposed slavery as abolitionists (the Methodist Church comes to mind).

I just don't understand why it's so hard for some people to admit what history so easily proves.

a reply to: Jim Scott

I agree that He appeared to you, because He appeared to me and many others, also.

What style of hat does he wear. Did you consult with these many others to confirm his hat style?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
I just don't understand why it's so hard for some people to admit what history so easily proves.

Because it makes them uncomfortable.