Former Atheist turned Born Again Christian

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Dudemo5

Jesus was real. The deity part is what people question.

Yep, Jesus is real. He cuts my lawn every two weeks.

U pay cash?

Yep, $4.28/hr.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Dudemo5

Jesus was real. The deity part is what people question.

Yep, Jesus is real. He cuts my lawn every two weeks.

U pay cash?

Yep, $4.28/hr.

Omg. I pay steve 25 dollars. Takes 1.5 hours to cut mine. Americans first.

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

You will just have to get used to the fundamental atheist bigots around these parts, they are the same as the christian fundamentalist bigots
They learned their christianity in sunday school so know everything about christianity there is to know, more than you do even, I suspect they believe

Hell they watched zeitgeist


It takes all kinds and well, we are commanded to love them so.....

Welcome, it can be fun

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Dudemo5

Jesus was real. The deity part is what people question.

Listen, I have no real qualms with whatever you or anyone else wants to believe, but the hard evidence for the existence of Jesus comes entirely from a period of time long after his death. Which is odd and, per the historical method, not nearly as weighty as evidence that existed during his purported life.

No one can say for sure (minus faith, of course) whether he existed, but the available facts are sketchy.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I can understand one going from Christian to Atheist but the other way. That's being a bigger fool that if you were a Christian in the first place! But you are entitled to change your mind, rightly or wrongly.

Good luck with your new found belief and welcome to the crutch dependent society.

Quoted for the truth.

What a con, organized crime n nothing more. The Bible was conceived for political reasons and rewritten many times for such. Zero possibility that any of the Bible stories can be true. Zero evidence and negates simple common sense. Zero evidence that Jesus even lived. None. What part of the lie do they not get?

Denny

originally posted by: DaCook

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I can understand one going from Christian to Atheist but the other way. That's being a bigger fool that if you were a Christian in the first place! But you are entitled to change your mind, rightly or wrongly.

Good luck with your new found belief and welcome to the crutch dependent society.

Quoted for the truth.

What a con, organized crime n nothing more. The Bible was conceived for political reasons and rewritten many times for such. Zero possibility that any of the Bible stories can be true. Zero evidence and negates simple common sense. Zero evidence that Jesus even lived. None. What part of the lie do they not get?

Denny

So, you just parroting what you've heard or have you any 'proof' of that non proof you're speaking of?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You need to look up the term bully. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

I misspoke earlier, there are some fine people in this thread, some who even know Jesus and the truth.

However, the whiny complainers are so noisy it's hard to hear them..... LOL

Denny, you are lost my friend. The ENTIRE Bible from Genesis to Revelation is TRUE. Adam & Eve, The Great Flood, The Burning Bush, The Parting Sea, David and Goliath, King Solomon, King Saul, the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ... and every bit in between.

If you want to use Logic, then please do share... how do you believe the Universe came to be? If you report the Big Bang... you have stepped as far from Logic as you can... into a place science cannot go....

Or perhaps you have another theory you subscribe to... please share so we can hold it up to the light of logic and inspect it closely.

You cannot use science or logic to measure the God I worship, because he operates in the supernatural realm, which is outside of their jurisdiction. To try to do so is tom-foolery (that's twice I've use that phrase in this thread - am I good or what?)

originally posted by: Dudemo5
I'm a former born again Christian turned Atheist. I reached a certain age and realized it was all fairy tale, sold to me by people who weren't smart enough to know better and who needed a magic man in the sky to fill the dark places inside of them.

Welcome.

Did you have a personal experience that caused you to become a non-believer? what was it that let you know Jesus wasn't real after all? Can you describe how you came to your conclusion?

a reply to: TruthJava

Hint: when they use the word magic, they betray their own intelligence (the real irony is that they're almost always disparaging the intelligence of another person when they use that word). Basically they're saying they couldn't understand every nuance so it was "magic" and we all know magic is baloney. Take a smartphone back to the days of 1600 AD and what would they call it? Magic!

originally posted by: TruthJava

originally posted by: Dudemo5
I'm a former born again Christian turned Atheist. I reached a certain age and realized it was all fairy tale, sold to me by people who weren't smart enough to know better and who needed a magic man in the sky to fill the dark places inside of them.

Welcome.

Did you have a personal experience that caused you to become a non-believer? what was it that let you know Jesus wasn't real after all? Can you describe how you came to your conclusion?

There wasn't one particular incident. But to be honest, a lot of it had to do with constant exposure over a period of many years to people like the OP (assuming the OP isn't just trolling). It was one thing to hear members of the church argue about unfalsifiable concepts (such as "is there a God") but quite something else entirely to hear them speak so confidently about FALSIFIABLE concepts, like the age of the Earth and the origin of species.

None of the people around me bothered challenging their preconceived notions with questions of empirical evidence. Once I started challenging myself in a way they refused to, the truth become more apparent.

To be fair, I am what you would consider a "soft atheist," or an "agnostic atheist." It cannot be known whether there is a God by any empirical standard, so I choose not to invest myself in it. It's that simple.

a reply to: Dudemo5

How can the age of the earth be empirically proven? Now, one can empirically prove the age of some of the things the earth is made up of, but that's not necessarily the age of what we know as earth.

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

Welcome. I too backed Trump partly due to Hillarys abortion stance and her disregard for life. I'm a baptized Christian too. Ignore the trolls that will gang up on you here rom time to time. The ATS Community is generally very welcoming and balanced in their approach to discussion. The owners and mods are fabulous too.

Organized religion is not Christianity in the pure sense and I think the Pope's position has been corrupted. Still church is one of the best ways to get together with others to worship.I'd like to hear more of what put you over to embrace God in your life.

I've enjoyed books like Howard Storms conversion to Christianity as detailed in "My Descent Into Death".

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You need to look up the term bully. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

To me, a bully is a person who deliberately pushes other people around. A physical bully pushes others around physically such as in case of a boy who is larger than others and uses his size to intimidate and cajole. Bullies like to pick fights but only when they feel certain of an easy battle. Some bullies like to beat up other people and stomp their heads into the ground.

However, physcial bullies are only one branch of the bully tree. There are many, one of which is a psychological bully.
A psychological bully is very similar to a physical bully in that the psychological bully acts, and is motivated in the same way as the physical bully but does not resort to physical violence.

That is part of my definition of a bully. What is yours?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

To me,...

Sorry, you don't get to redefine the English language.

originally posted by: Dudemo5

Listen, I have no real qualms with whatever you or anyone else wants to believe, but the hard evidence for the existence of Jesus comes entirely from a period of time long after his death. Which is odd and, per the historical method, not nearly as weighty as evidence that existed during his purported life.

No one can say for sure (minus faith, of course) whether he existed, but the available facts are sketchy.

The hard evidence for any historical figure comes from after their deaths

Prove anyone dead lived, you cant do that without any them actually being seen.
Fake birth certificates, fake voting cards, its all silly

Your argument is silly

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TruthJava

Hint: when they use the word magic, they betray their own intelligence (the real irony is that they're almost always disparaging the intelligence of another person when they use that word). Basically they're saying they couldn't understand every nuance so it was "magic" and we all know magic is baloney. Take a smartphone back to the days of 1600 AD and what would they call it? Magic!

The difference though is that the OP has already claimed that God is Supernatural and operates outside our natural reality. A cell phone, whether or not it's understood by someone a thousand years ago is still not supernatural. It's totally within the understanding and operation of our natural world. So it may seem to be magic to someone ancient, but it's not. In fact given enough time it could be shown and understood to ancient man just like it is for us today.

But when you claim something is in fact Supernatural, you are in fact saying it's Magic. That's what that means in that context. By using your example, what you're saying is that God isn't supernatural at all, but simply more advanced than we are but still totally within the realm of our natural world. The OP however isn't saying that.

Once you claim something is Supernatural that ends the discussion. Because things outside our ability to test or prove and beyond our natural world is neither provable or testable. Of course no effort is ever made to explain what supernatural is or if it actually exists either. So making that claim is pretty worthless on it's own. Because at that point anyone can just claim anything they want and there is no way to argue against it or for it for that matter. It's just a unsupported claim that is being insisted upon as fact.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Not to mention our documentation today is infinitely more robust than anything they could even dream of 2000 years ago.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

To me,...

Sorry, you don't get to redefine the English language.

Now see, in your first reply you tell me of my ignorance. Fine enough, it's common practice around here. I knew it was a slight but chose to ignore it simply because i have almost not idea of who you are, where you are from, what you think or anything about you other than that one reply which could intimate one thing or another. So I answered as best i could and in the spirit of all good converstaions, asked you for yours. Following this so far?

So, you then, rather than continue the discussion on the definition of the word bully chose to make claim that in some manner I am setting about redefining the English language. Now that's an interesting thought. Maybe you just wondered into it as you suggest by pointing out that I said ''to me''.

So, if that is how it is to be, let me try one more time to ask you, what is YOUR definition of bully

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I told you to look up the definition of the word: www.abovetopsecret.com...

You responded with something that I didn't ask for (your thought on what the word means).

Then you got mad that I pointed it out.

Here's the definition of bully. Notice how it has exact parameters? Not some wishy washy "I feel like it should mean this or that" garbage?

"To use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."

The post in which you were calling the poster a bully, used zero intimidation and therefore could not possibly qualify as bullying.