Former Atheist turned Born Again Christian

a reply to: interupt42

Exactly! If not for science you wouldn't have the internet, the computer you are typing on, electricity to power it, or the Turing Code to process the information within it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

If evolution were true, which it is not, we would ABSOLUTELY be the MOST evolved species on Earth, NOTHING even comes close... not even Chimps... who can't even ponder eternity or deny the God that created them. A simple task for the simplest of human.

However, Evolution is a fairy tale, and God has revealed in his INSPIRED and Living Word that Mankind was created to rule over all the earth and its creatures. We rule the animal kingdom.

There is no other book EVER created by man that can reach the incredible heights that the Bible rests. A collection of 66 books by over 40 authors spanning over a thousand years of history... The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment. Jesus Christ (whose very birth split time in two as we know it) fulfilled hundreds of old testament prophecies while on Earth.

The truth will set you free.

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
If evolution were true, which it is not, we would ABSOLUTELY be the MOST evolved species on Earth, NOTHING even comes close... not even Chimps... who can't even ponder eternity or deny the God that created them. A simple task for the simplest of human.

That isn't how evolution works. Just because humans can ponder god doesn't mean we are more evolved than anything. A cheetah has a top running speed of near 80 mph. Something humans can't even DREAM of reaching naturally (even with drugs). Hell that's highway speeds for a car. Clearly we aren't the most evolved when it comes to running. Evolution isn't a zero-sum game. It's just a process where species gain or lose traits as their environments change and natural selection does its work.

However, Evolution is a fairy tale, and God has revealed in his INSPIRED and Living Word that Mankind was created to rule over all the earth and its creatures. We rule the animal kingdom.

Prove it.

There is no other book EVER created by man that can reach the incredible heights that the Bible rests. A collection of 66 books by over 40 authors spanning over a thousand years of history... The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment. Jesus Christ (whose very birth split time in two as we know it) fulfilled hundreds of old testament prophecies while on Earth.

The truth will set you free.

So? That doesn't mean anything. So the bible is an Anthology. How do you know it is true? You say so arrogantly that evolution is false (without bothering to truly understand how it works) and claim the bible is real but you give no answers to why we should believe the bible in the first place. And if you say, "god said so", that is a circular argument.

PS: This forum is really for introductions. I'd be happy to continue this debate in the Conspiracie in Religion Forums or the Origins and Creationism Forums if you make a thread there.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: interupt42

Exactly! If not for science you wouldn't have the internet, the computer you are typing on, electricity to power it, or the Turing Code to process the information within it.

I LOVE science, I just dispute the erroneous claims of SOME scientists as to the origins of humans on earth.
Science is simply the study of nature, which I applaud. But when scientists lock up an African man in a New York Zoo to prove their theory of evolution is true... or falsify a fossil record which is published in school textbooks for decades AFTER it was debunked as fraud... it is not long until you understand that these people are acting more like members of a cult than a scientific community. Oh and those examples are VERY old .... a staggering 100 years since Ota Benga... oh wait, that was just like YESTERDAY!!!!!!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

So? That doesn't mean anything. So the bible is an Anthology. How do you know it is true? You say so arrogantly that evolution is false (without bothering to truly understand how it works) and claim the bible is real but you give no answers to why we should believe the bible in the first place. And if you say, "god said so", that is a circular argument.

But wait! I just gave you fulfilled prophecy... you swept that under the rug, let's not discuss that.

LOL

We ARE STILL more highly EVOLVED than a wild cat! Why? because we BUILD things to outrun an animal. And YES the only creatures that can build things, like say a motorcycle.

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originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: interupt42

Exactly! If not for science you wouldn't have the internet, the computer you are typing on, electricity to power it, or the Turing Code to process the information within it.

I LOVE science, I just dispute the erroneous claims of SOME scientists as to the origins of humans on earth.

No you don't. You only like science if it doesn't but heads with your religion. You sound like the Catholic Church from Galileo's time. It's not true if it conflicts with the bible. Never mind what the proof presented says or anything.

Science is simply the study of nature, which I applaud. But when scientists lock up an African man in a New York Zoo to prove their theory of evolution is true... or falsify a fossil record which is published in school textbooks for decades AFTER it was debunked as fraud... it is not long until you understand that these people are acting more like members of a cult than a scientific community. Oh and those examples are VERY old .... a staggering 100 years since Ota Benga... oh wait, that was just like YESTERDAY!!!!!!

So because of a few bad eggs it ruins all of science for you? That is a very poor fallacy you are making. Science stands by its own proof; not by its spokespeople's words. You don't need a scientist to tell you what science is real. You look at the evidence instead. The fact that frauds and fakes have been uncovered by other scientists is a testament that the scientific method works.

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
But wait! I just gave you fulfilled prophecy... you swept that under the rug, let's not discuss that.

No you didn't...

We ARE STILL more highly EVOLVED than a wild cat! Why? because we BUILD things to outrun an animal. And YES the only creatures that can build things, like say a motorcycle.

So? Just because we can cover our weaknesses unnaturally with our own innovations doesn't put us above other animals on the natural evolution process.

2 + 2 = 4 is that an arrogant statement to make?

God is real. Is that arrogant?

God revealed himself to me, he is real and his name is Jesus Christ. Is that arrogant?

Evolution is a lie designed to separate man from God. Arrogant?

Atheism is one of the largest cults in America. Arrogant?

I am a Christian, and I like to stand up for what I believe. I do not bow my head and accept lies in humility. Arrogant?

I can pray for you, love you and debate you strongly all in the same day. Arrogant?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

Enjoy your time here. Put on a thick skin, there's a ton of us that will disagree with just about everything you believe in, and the rest of the gang will probably give you pats on the back.

Enjoy.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"The fact that frauds and fakes have been uncovered by other scientists is a testament that the scientific method works."

Ota Benga wasn't freed by OTHER SCIENTISTS LOL Wow.

You have betrayed yourself with your statements about science...
Science is a method. Evidence is evidence. Evidence is not science.
Layman can use science to look at evidence and come to a conclusion.
Scientists can do so at a higher level of understanding.

Two scientists with the exact same pedigree can observe the same evidence using the same science and come to two opposing conclusions.

"You don't need a scientist to tell you what science is real" ????

Say what?

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Thank you I am like a Polar Bear... skin as thick as leather

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

No it doesn't, but I'm sure you'll be happy to post those bible passages then about this "stunning crucifixion".

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"The fact that frauds and fakes have been uncovered by other scientists is a testament that the scientific method works."

Ota Benga wasn't freed by OTHER SCIENTISTS LOL Wow.

You have betrayed yourself with your statements about science...
Science is a method. Evidence is evidence. Evidence is not science.
Layman can use science to look at evidence and come to a conclusion.
Scientists can do so at a higher level of understanding.

Two scientists with the exact same pedigree can observe the same evidence using the same science and come to two opposing conclusions.

"You don't need a scientist to tell you what science is real" ????

Say what?

Yes. Science is a consensus. That's the beauty. A large group of smart people look at evidence and proof and agree on the best possible interpretation. Because disagreement is allowed to exist it allows for refinement of what is being said as new evidence is presented. Everything you just stated is what makes science so much more accurate than religion which is just a bunch of guesses put to paper.

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

Glad you're standing tall for Christ because he was probably only 5'1" and 110 lbs, and probably looked like the 19th hijacker from 9-11.

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

Welcome to ATS, lots of interesting people and ideas to be found here.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sure no problemo...

Isaiah 50 and 53 (put to death for our sins, alongside two thieves)
Psalm 22 (vivid description... pierced hands and feet, broken bones, pierced side)
Zechariah 12 (they mourned him who they pierced)

These verses focus in on the crucifixion, but there are countless more that lead up to it...
Zechariah 11 - betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
Psalm 41 - betrayed by a friend

Wait I can go on and on and on...

Your response will simply be. So what doesn't matter.
So why waste my time?

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

Glad you're standing tall for Christ because he was probably only 5'1" and 110 lbs, and probably looked like the 19th hijacker from 9-11.

He's actually about my height 6'2"

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

Typical atheist talking point. You can do better. Can't you?