Former Atheist turned Born Again Christian

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

By the way, the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a HISTORICAL... WAIT FOR .... FACT.
If you deny this, you are not living in reality.

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Sure no problemo...

Isaiah 50 and 53 (put to death for our sins, alongside two thieves)
Psalm 22 (vivid description... pierced hands and feet, broken bones, pierced side)
Zechariah 12 (they mourned him who they pierced)

These verses focus in on the crucifixion, but there are countless more that lead up to it...
Zechariah 11 - betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
Psalm 41 - betrayed by a friend

Wait I can go on and on and on...

Your response will simply be. So what doesn't matter.
So why waste my time?

You are stretching with each and every one of them. Either that or your definition of "vivid description of the crucifixion" is different than mine. Because I'm expecting a passage that says, "Jesus carried the cross that was shaped like a lower case t and not like the traditional x up a hill to be crucified where he died after 3 days without having his legs broken." That's the kind of stuff I expect when you use the adjective "vivid". Not some vague imagery that you took out of context that can be applied to a great number of different things.

PS: You still haven't explained why I should believe the Bible.

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

By the way, the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a HISTORICAL... WAIT FOR .... FACT.
If you deny this, you are not living in reality.

Prove it happened without the Bible then.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

By the way, the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a HISTORICAL... WAIT FOR .... FACT.
If you deny this, you are not living in reality.

Prove it happened without the Bible then.

Why do I have to prove history to you? If you want proof, study history. If you want to continue to live in ignorance, do so.
Just don't invite me into the circus that is your belief system. Not my circus, not my monkeys (I read that somewhere)...

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

By the way, the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a HISTORICAL... WAIT FOR .... FACT.
If you deny this, you are not living in reality.

Prove it happened without the Bible then.

Why do I have to prove history to you?

Because you made a claim and the burden of proof belongs to the one making the claim. Have you never studied philosophy or logic before?

If you want proof, study history. If you want to continue to live in ignorance, do so.

Insulting my intelligence because you can't prove your point is in very poor taste.

Just don't invite me into the circus that is your belief system. Not my circus, not my monkeys (I read that somewhere)...

I'm not inviting you to do anything. I'm having a discussion with you and you are preaching your beliefs instead of trying to prove them. It doesn't work like that around here. I'm not going to trust you without you backing your claims up.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No Sir. Stating a historical fact does not require me to provide proof.

This is not a scientific theory or religious claim.

It is PROVEN HISTORY (caps just for you).

Philosophy and logic have NOTHING to do with History.

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. No proof required. You see how that works?

OH and I do not require your trust.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No Sir. Stating a historical fact does not require me to provide proof.

It does if I don't believe you. You saying it is a historical fact doesn't make it so. By the way. There is no such thing as "Historical fact". There is only what you can prove and the unknown. History is written by biased winners too. So things are always left out and slanted. So even stating that phrase makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.

This is not a scientific theory or religious claim.

It is PROVEN HISTORY (caps just for you).

Lol. That was sarcasm buddy. Caps lock just makes you look like a child.

Philosophy and logic have NOTHING to do with History.

Never said it did... I said that the Onus of Proof is from studying Philosophy and/or Logic. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Burden of proof (philosophy)

In epistemology, the burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shorthand for Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat) is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position.

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. No proof required. You see how that works?

You still need to prove that statement even if we both agree it is true. Even the obvious needs to be proven. That's how you know if you are right or not. Appearances are often deceiving.

OH and I do not require your trust.

Ok. Then I think you are in the wrong forums. You should hit up a Christian forums. I think their echo chambers will be more beneficial to you if you aren't interested in actual discussions.

I am interested in intellectual conversations. Not whiny people who claim people insult them, all the while hurling insulting statements. I don't have the time or desire to prove anything to you, when you walk around with your ears plugged and blinders firmly in place. It is a waste of my precious time. You want to know the facts surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ... don't be so lazy, do your own homework.

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

He's actually about my height 6'2"

What style of hat does he wear?

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

Welcome. The people here are mostly horrible, but there are a few decent folks who keep me coming back. Don't let this place depress you.

a reply to: StandingTallForChrist
Welcome to ATS. As someone who has been here for a very long time(not on this account,) I'll give you a tip. Don't take this site seriously. If you aren't having fun, you aren't doing it right. This site, for you, should be about learning and growing as a person, helping others to learn and grow through your posts and having fun. Some people on ATS are rude- plain and simple, these people will insult you merely for voicing your opinion; some people on here act completely uncivilized. Just ignore them and find the intelligent, civilized and fun ones-they are on here. Here's another tip:

ATS for you is a blank canvas: each post you make is a brush stroke on that canvas. Only make brush strokes that contribute to the beauty and development of the painting you're trying to form on the canvas, never any others.

All the best,
Aristotelian1

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: StandingTallForChrist

He's actually about my height 6'2"

What style of hat does he wear?

That depends on the weather I would think. Sometimes a baseball cap or possibly a nice derby throwback is in order.

I'm enjoying reading this thread, it has googly eyes on the end of those wobbly spring/slinky things. Top stuff.

Welcome OP.

So many people believe in so many different kinds of sh.t which we all know to be just superstitious poop and putting faith in religion is just another one of those pieces of sh.t. Wake up and embrace reality and common sense, cast away your crutch dependent mentalities and live your lives without being hung up about what is just silly illogical and impractical poop!

Then have nice days watching the sun come up!

Actually there is only One of Us here...

Extremism of any kind is tedious. The nicest Christians I ever met were the ones who freely admitted that a lot of what they believe is just the result of being taught what they know when they were little kids and that logically and rationally they don't have a lot to stand on. But... they want to be good people and not hurt anyone else on purpose.

Fine. But people who ride from one extreme to another ("I used to be a drug addict biker until I found Jesus!") are merely trading one load of nonsense for another. They just can't find an answer on their own.

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes I did...

"The Book of Isaiah, written HUNDREDS of years before Christ CLEARLY describes his crucifixion in stunning detail, long before the Romans even used crucifixion as a means of punishment."

and Yes it does.

And the same crucifixion story was described 1,500 years earlier by the Egyptians about Horus, before it was plagiarized later by the Christians.

By the way, the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a HISTORICAL... WAIT FOR .... FACT.
If you deny this, you are not living in reality.

What'd you say? Historical or did you mean hysterical? Were you there? You sure?

We see from Peter’s version that Jesus was hanged. The Greek word that is used for Acts 5:30 for “Hanging” is κρεμάννυμι (kremannymi). Interestingly, in none of the Gospels is the word “kremannymi” for Jesus’s crucifixion used. Before going further on Acts 5:30, let’s show the four Gospels accounts i.e what words they have used for the “crucifixion.”

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