Special Counsel Mueller Impanels Washington Grand Jury in Russia Probe

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: bknapple32
Boys and Girls..




We're getting some tax returns. At this point, I dont care what it proves or disproves... Those damn returns have been talked about more than the missing 28 pages of the 9/11 report

and have nothing to do with the collusion investigation. Mueller is outside his jurisdiction delving into that with no links.

Well this is an oddity of trumps finances..

Since President Trump won the Republican nomination, the majority of his companies’ real estate sales are to secretive shell companies that obscure the buyers’ identities, a USA TODAY investigation has found.

Over the last 12 months, about 70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners’ names.

That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before.

www.usatoday.com...

I'd say money flow is well within Muellers scope..

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burntheships

Fair enough.

Still irrelevant. The memo still states that it would be constitutional for the president to be indicted by a federal grand jury.

If what is now being reported is true, that the Trump campaign transferred money to Russia via Paul manafort, to pay them to somehow interfere in the election process, that would be a huge bombshell.

Vladimir Putin must be very happy right now over the turmoil here in the United States.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Choose your favorite sauce

It's been acutely well documented that Trump did indeed say
"the Russia thing" was the deciding factor in firing Comey

when Mueller impeached Trump I will come right back and say I was wrong....

No need to get defensive
you've been called out

It's a daily occurence
for Trumpeteers

that's ok,
no biggie !

It also looks like it's being reported that Manafort's name showed up in intercepts of Russian operatives. If anyone is going down for something in all this, my money is still on Manafort being the most likely.

I don't think most people realize exactly how ethically bankrupt and shady he really is. And he spent a decade in the employ of Putin's Ukrainian lapdog — employment that continued with his Party of Regions after Yanukovych fled to Russian and as far as I can tell, didn't stop before he joined the Trump campaign.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: bknapple32
Boys and Girls..




We're getting some tax returns. At this point, I dont care what it proves or disproves... Those damn returns have been talked about more than the missing 28 pages of the 9/11 report

and have nothing to do with the collusion investigation. Mueller is outside his jurisdiction delving into that with no links.

How on earth would you know if he has links or not?

AS they ALWAYS say.

Follow the money.

a reply to: carewemust

If what is now being reported is true, that the Trump campaign transferred money to Russia via Paul manafort, to pay them to somehow interfere in the election process, that would be a huge bombshell.

I've not heard that. Have a link?

Vladimir Putin must be very happy right now over the turmoil here in the United States.

I'm sure he is. This entire deal, including Trump as president, makes us look like chumps.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

No they don't play games.
Let's remember these are top cops and prosecutors.
The serious guys.

They make Trump's Lawyers look like LITTLE LEAGUE by comparison...

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burntheships

Fair enough.

Still irrelevant. The memo still states that it would be constitutional for the president to be indicted by a federal grand jury.

If what is now being reported is true, that the Trump campaign transferred money to Russia via Paul manafort, to pay them to somehow interfere in the election process, that would be a huge bombshell.

Vladimir Putin must be very happy right now over the turmoil here in the United States.

You raise a really GREAT point. And although i think I know disagree on Trump...


It begs the question. If putin DID help Trump, wouldnt Putin want that to be known eventually? Kind of a final nail in the coffin to United States politics?

Wow, yawn, what a nothing burger with so many toppings, condiments, collusions, patties, money laundering for oligarchs, cheese, bacon, child trafficking in pageants, limited edition Russian Secrets™, sweet bread buns, international bribery, and garnishing.

Wake me up when he shoots someone on 5th Avenue...post 2007.


Edit: Forgot the fries with the side dipping sauce of obstruction of justice.

a reply to: introvert

No - not that simple. It was a legal opinion written by a law professor for a university. An indictment is not the same as a conviction. He would need to be impeached for any of that stuff to move forward.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: bknapple32
Boys and Girls..




We're getting some tax returns. At this point, I dont care what it proves or disproves... Those damn returns have been talked about more than the missing 28 pages of the 9/11 report

and have nothing to do with the collusion investigation. Mueller is outside his jurisdiction delving into that with no links.

People need to stop saying collusion. That doesn't mean anything in regards to the law.

I am aware of that.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: introvert

A memo from a special prosecutor is not law. Secondly people need to be careful comparing special prosecutors from Clinton to Trump. Clintons special prosecutor was appointed by Congress under a different statute than the one for Trump. That statute (Clintons) no longer exists. It was allowed to lapse after constitutional questions were raised (injury to separation of powers as only the AG can appoint a special prosecutor).

Wouldn't it be nice if people did research here still?

Tired of the usual....prove it response.

Fact is, I don't care to make people look like fools. Blindly accepting what a news organizations says tells me everything I need to know.

I question whether or not most even have a surface knowledge of actual facts. I also question how well their educational institutions groomed them for real life.

Seems most educational institutions lately are geared more towards acceptance of a belief than fact.

You believe you're a dolphin...then you're a dolphin, regardless of if you have arms, legs, etc...

Don't research it...just believe....LOL

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: TacSite18
a reply to: Xcathdra

Yup, it is so. Even more so since it was confirmed Trump was not the target of the investigation per Comey and the intelligence committee.

That was then. Now that Trump fired Comey it is a whole new game. Trump firing Comey is why Muelller was appointed, don't you recall?

Trump admitted that he fired Comey over the Russian investigation. He has made his own fate, and is his own worst enemy.

Hmmm...no actually he didn't say it was over the Russia investigation....would love to see that direct quote....LOL!

Would you? I should make you find it yourself.but...

The warm-up:

Source

President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting. “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

The Pitch...
Source

President Donald Trump, who has contradicted top aides about his firing of FBI Director James Comey, on Friday fired off a tweet at odds with his own statements about the decision that triggered a special counsel probe. Trump, alluding to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, wrote that he is being “investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director!” He then, as he does almost daily, referred to the Justice Department’s Russia election meddling probe as a “Witch Hunt.” Yet, the president’s tweet contradicts his own comments about how and when he decided to fire Comey and appears to acknowledge that he is being investigated over terminating the FBI director.

and striiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike......
Source

In interview with NBC's Lester Holt, Trump said he planned on firing Comey regardless of what Rosenstein recommended. And he suggested the Russia investigation was a reason behind the dismissal. "When I decided to [fire Comey], I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story."

You must remember this...or didn't they show it on FOX?

From now on do your own reseach, and I am still waiting for your "Facts"

a reply to: soberbacchus

Not from 2008.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: introvert

No - not that simple. It was a legal opinion written by a law professor for a university. An indictment is not the same as a conviction. He would need to be impeached for any of that stuff to move forward.

Of course an indictment is not the same as a conviction. I never said it was.

I was only talking about the indictment issue, which it appears you are now considering the possibility of.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

If what is now being reported is true, that the Trump campaign transferred money to Russia via Paul manafort, to pay them to somehow interfere in the election process, that would be a huge bombshell.

I've not heard that. Have a link?

Vladimir Putin must be very happy right now over the turmoil here in the United States.

I'm sure he is. This entire deal, including Trump as president, makes us look like chumps.

Nope, just in the car listening to XM radio news and verbally dictating what I hear when there's something interesting.

With news like THIS coming out today...on the HEELS of Trump taking a VACAY? News outta Mueller's camp like THIS?

Forecast calls for:

INCREASED anti-Clinton, anti-DNC, Seth Rich, AND anti-progressive stories!!!

Stay tuned....

All this Mueller thing fleshes out... I FULLY expect to see topic after topic to distract/downplay this...

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: TacSite18
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Wow...got any evidence to backup the Cause Russia stuff? Flynn has been gone since the beginning...outside of that it is all "official sources"....LOL

Flynn has his own grand jury. He begged to testify for immunity, most likely because he knows he is guilt of collusion and maybe outright treason.

Flynn should be the first one indicted, the first one in jail. Unless he flips on Trump for a plea-deal. THAT will be interesting.

Interesting....so a new grand jury is needed for a investigation that is supposed to include Flynn?

I'd love to hear his testimony....nobody is blocking it that I know of.

Go find it yourself. You only get one freebie from me.

Oh, and where are those facts of your again? Deflecting on a deflections?

a reply to: introvert

I never stated the President could not be indicted.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: burntheships

Fair enough.

Still irrelevant. The memo still states that it would be constitutional for the president to be indicted by a federal grand jury.

If what is now being reported is true, that the Trump campaign transferred money to Russia via Paul manafort, to pay them to somehow interfere in the election process, that would be a huge bombshell.

Putin doesn't need trump's money.
Manafort however needed Putin's money.
And Trump wouldn't mind having the money he invested in his campaign "back-filled" with interest.

Manafort is in deep-doo-doo because he bought a few properties with money he can't explain...Then took out home equity loans on those properties for sometimes 2X and 3X their purchase price and value...Then he defaulted on the loans, kept the cash and gave up the properties. Whatever banker wrote him the loans for 2X and 3X the property values has some explaining to do. Essentially manafort spent something like 4 Million he could not account for on properties he never stayed at...then got loans for 12 Million on those properties...and walked away with all the cash.

Not sure about the exact numbers, but am sure about the scam. And it took place last year during the campaign.

let me google some..

here you go..Here is one of his homes..

Feds Subpoena Records for $3.5M Mystery Mortgage on Manafort’s Home
www.nbcnews.com...

The mortgage document that explains how Manafort would pay back the loan was never filed with Suffolk County, New York — and Manafort’s company never paid up to $36,000 in taxes that would be due on the loan.

In addition, despite telling NBC News previously that all his real estate transactions are transparent and include his name and signature, Manafort’s name and signature do not appear on any of the loan documents that are publicly available.