Forbidden archeology Flood myth

a reply to: punkinworks10

Comanche is a good example of a rapidly maturing daughter language. A small band of Owens Valley Paiute, captured some escaped horses in the early 18th century, and headed east to become the Comanche,

Bands of eastern Shoshoni split off from the main Shoshoni body in the very late 17th or very early 18th century and moved southeastward onto the Great Plains. Changes in their Shoshoni dialect eventually produced Comanche. The Comanche language and the Shoshoni language are quite similar although certain low-level consonant changes in Comanche have inhibited mutual intelligibility.

Being separated from the mother tongue and in a new land with new plants, animals and peoples led to the development of a new language in in less than 150 years.

a reply to: one4all

Try to shorten your links. Like this:

[url=The actual link]Your name of the link[/url]


I.e. to produce a result like this:

Immanuel Velikovsky

Hope it helps.

a reply to: Hellmutt

I just copy and paste from my browser in the add bar ie http:
//www.abovetopsecret.com/ forum/thread1180269/pg11# lastPost without the spaces gives me www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Yes, that usually works, but not always. It depends on the link. Sometimes, certain characters within the links will cause them to break up and not produce the desired result. Shortening such links might fix this problem.



Also, to embed Youtube videos, do like this:

[yvid]Youtube video-id (usually 11-or-so characters and numbers found within the link)[/yvid]


i.e. to produce a result like this:

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Byrd

Do you have a link to any scholarly documents ? pdf websites YouTubes eta

This blog provides links to open-access resources for the study of the Old and New Testaments as well as for the ANE, and, occasionally, for Classics. The source for the great majority of the posts is Chuck Jones's The Ancient World Online (ancientworldonline.blogspot.com...)

hoozwhere.blogspot.ca...

Right here Start with 24.251 and go onward. Notes, videos, lots of stuff.

I'm not being mean-spirited here. This is a huge and complex field. When we get into the real meat of things and backtracking languages, then you end up with sources like this or this and videos like this

This is where a lot of exciting research is being done, and this is where the debates and controversy are taking place. Learning this will teach you what things are called (is it a language, dialect, pidgin, etc) and give you a handle on how they backdate languages and how things like etymology work and how they reconstruct vanished languages.

There's all sorts of bad non-scholarly stuff that could be linked that give you a comforting and easy to understand (and wrong) overview of this HUGE field (and I do mean huge. It's absolutely vital to studies of ancient cultures.)

a reply to: punkinworks10

The only thing I would add to that is that based on diversity and divergence estimates, proto-algic probably originated a little more East, closer to Idaho and spread from there in an Eastward route. Aside from Eastern algonquin groups which can all be traced genetically, the earlier proto-Algol and Western and Pmains Algonquin groups are all areal. The greatest divergent diversity appears to be in Blackfoot or at least was when I still tried to keep up with it. Having grown up amongst the Haudenosaunee (though very few are still in the area today) outside of what once was Caughnawaga in the 16th century, the struggle for control of the area between the Mohawk and Algonquin was always a fascinating topic and digs in the area, like Ft. Johnson, were the first ones I had ever spent time at so it was something that was very close to home for me.

a reply to: peter vlar

Thanks for the well informed reply.


media0.giphy.com...

a reply to: Hellmutt

Thank ,you I shall learn to link that way.Much appreciated.

The linguistic approach to solidifying dates and timlines has been well represented amongst scholars.

en.wikipedia.org...

However it is all speculative in terms of timeline.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: one4all

So now it's Velikovsky?

I read his opus many years ago, and didn't believe it then, and certainly nothing has come to light that would even remotely validate his hypothesis.


"So now its Velikovsky"...what is that supposed to mean?

Do you mean ...so now the peripheral evidence grows?

Velikovsky is a nice resource for beginning to grasp the state of global affairs.

You see what is always missing from the theories and hypothesis is the one thing I have evidence of and am trying to lead you to it.....I will not hold anyones hands. .

I can prove cyclical REPEATABILITY without using your methods of timeline assertation....and to those who are not paying attention because their minds cant break free of the status quo........just what does R-E-P-E-A-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y mean in context of the scientific model.

@AngryCymraeg.....spare me you evaluation of my grasp of the scientific model....please....your prediction of my flunking Geology 101 still makes me laugh wayyyy to hard and it is unsetteling.Please note the difference between "geologic evidence" and the subscriprtion to the status quo pursuit of "Geology"....I do not accept or follow status quo methodology...it only leads you back into the Rabbit-Hole.

Proving repeatability of the Global Continental Displacement Wave model is the Holy Grail.

originally posted by: Harte
a reply to: one4all

Well, then, I'm fine with it.
After all, we used all those three thousand year deaders for our oil.

The least we can do for the next bunch of civvies is to leave our dead bodies for their oil.

Harte

Precisely.....Oil is a renewable resource.....and the coolest thing of all is that using the Global Continental Displacement Wave model we can not only pinpoint current oil deposit-resevoir-pool-reserve locations but we can also accurately predict where the next pools will be located post-event.

Ya dont need to exploration end of things if you know how Oil is really made then by proxy you also know where most major resrves are located.

I spent a few years in the Resource Industry doing things ranging from exploration and Wildcatting to the Production end of things.I have seen many many drilling reports and Geologists reports and Petroleum engineers reports......I have personally spoken with many many many professionals in this field specificlly the Oil Industry....contrary to what the nutters who cant handle critique of their educations and who cause static here think most of these Professionals know their Industry is full of crap and that their educations were severely misdirected and they have the cojones to admit it.....they also know who butters their bread and cuts their cheques.....and they dont even consider fighting the status quo.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I found this long ago...have you ever heard of David Hamel ?......he was given data concerning the next global Flood catastrophe...and also given plans for a massive Spaceship capable of saving millions of people....a GRANITE ship he called the Galaxy Trinity....much like the one on the Moon Apollo 20 "did not find".......I understood his work completely the first time I saw it.If I had the resources I could direct anyone to build his craft and his technology.

peswiki.com...:david-hamel-motor

davidhamel.com...

overunity.com...

Mr.Hamel was a contactee....like Wilbert Smith was....both had open 2-way contact with civilizations new to us and both were given hard data on how to build new technology which they in fct followed up on.

You see I do not judge the source of data...I simply seek corroberation of evidence of a Bigger Picture Fact.EVERYTHING however leads directly to these Global Flood catastrophes sooner or later.

a reply to: peter vlar

Have you seen this video?

www.ted.com...

There are more videos I will look for about these symbols being found at and on the path to high altitudes....some have deciphered/postulated that fleeing people left warnings of a global flood.

a reply to: BlueJacket

BlueJacket......I found this data source to be very very interesting and corroborating.

Note how High Technology and High Learning are "encoded" in seemingly prehistoric paintings???...

If you are on track with this direction then you will see how this dumbed down ENCODING done to preserve knowledge when the entire species is at risk is literally found all around us.

Some NA Indian Tribes have a story about Turtle Island.....and these cultures carry forward high tech encoded information in a dumbed down format...in a Robinson Crusoe/McGyver context.

Sweatlodge was used to cure diseases..... hut with hot rocks and water to ensure minimal hydration for survival ....the bodys internal temp is brought up high enough to kill all parasites and cook their eggs......leaving your bodies auto-immune system free to heal you of prety much anything .This technology is done today in chambers with intravenous fluid support to maintain hydration as these high temps are reached and the same effect is produced.If you read Dr. Hulda Clarks work you will understand another suppressed truth....and why this particular medical method was encoded and carried forward by the post-flood survivors....the impact on internal dynamics and catalysation of chronic disease parasites and their bacteria/virus buddies/hitchhikers have has killed and still does kill more human beings than anything else on this planet.IMHO someone passed forward critical medical processes.

I watched a man on YT making iron and using some type of bacteria in his process due to its high iron content....he was making iron using primitive resources....if he were to do this post-flood he would be passing forward a lot of important information within his processes....like how did the iron get in the plant and how did he know which plant?ect ect.....www.youtube.com... the Forge Blower video I think.

a reply to: intrptr

You know or giant ice shelves cracking and displacing water due to global warming at the end of the last ice age

or actual gods

the Greeks record a great flood more than once

the first flood was when Zeus wanted to destroy Atlantis and the proto-Greeks who lived there , and the Egyptians record it too and told Herodotus

a reply to: sapien82

As has been said, lots of 'flood (Tsunami) tales in ancient texts. Those happen all the time, historically speaking.

Volcanism, earthquakes, landslides, impactors, etc.

Why do we always feel the need to lump all those stories into one single giant event?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: intrptr

You know or giant ice shelves cracking and displacing water due to global warming at the end of the last ice age

or actual gods

the Greeks record a great flood more than once

the first flood was when Zeus wanted to destroy Atlantis and the proto-Greeks who lived there , and the Egyptians record it too and told Herodotus

None of those are in actual Greek or Egyptian documents.

a reply to: Byrd

I thought that Plato had written about the Ogygian flood in his book of laws and the Bibliotecha contained the myth of the Deucalion flood ?

I also thought that it was Solon who had told these stories to Greece upon his return from his travels into Egypt before Herodotus

In any case , the flood myth appears to have happened more than once

As the Ogygian flood was supposed to have happened well before it was proposed

a reply to: intrptr

Why do we always feel the need to lump all those stories into one single giant event?

I couldn't agree more.
The events, within the context of this discussion, happened over the course of more than 12k years, and while not always from the same events, many of these events are connected.

And when discussing mythological narratives it is important to pay very close attention to the details and the context of the tale.

A good example are my personal faves,the native california creation mythos. Nearly all California peoples have a flood/catacylism story, and while many are very similar, some have very specific details that set them apart from the others.
For the Southern Miwok of the Sierra Nevada foothills, the flood is a riverine flood, that comes after a great fire in the east melts all the snow in the sky mountains, this is followed by a period of darkness and cold.
With the Bay Miwok, of the northern SF bay, the great fire comes from the south and east, and water washes over the mounatins of the coast range(tsunami?) then it rains many days, completely flooding the central valley.
With most of the miwok stories the creation events are told as discreet stories, that are seemingly not inter-connected.
But, to my surprise, the Yana stories roll a whole series of tales into a cohesive creation mythos. This is why it gets good, the Yana were never reservationed, missionaried, nor urbanized, these stories are pristine in thier content.
In the Yana stories, the theft of fire, (a ubiquitous story among the penutian speakers that places their arrival in central cal prior to the end of the last ice age), is combined with the day the earth burned story( nearly all ca indians have a similar story even those of different language families), and contains motifs that hint at a clestial encounter.
It is interesting that in these stories Coyoyte Man "arrives from the west over the ocean, on a raft, common thought has these people as desert dwellers who migrated into CA, which is the tone many of the early myths take. why would they associate coyote man with flying over the western sea, which they could not nor would have ever seen.
Then along with "five men" and his wife Coyoyte man circles the village of fire,(that makes 7, a number that keeps poping up in various oral traditions) several times before disappearing below the ground to the south east.

i believe this passage describes the intitial encounter and subsequent breakup of the taurid progenitor(coyote man, could the bushy tail of the coyoyte be a cometary reference ?),

Coyote burned his hand and dropped his fire. The chunk of coal burst apart into several pieces. "M‘! du' du du du' du du! said Coyote, for he had burned his hand. Everything burned all around, when the fire had been dropped. The fire burned in the south, the fire burned in the east, the fire burned off to the west, the fire burned in the north. It came burning up to this place here. The rocks burst from the heat, the water burned up. The mountain was all covered with smoke, it burned right across the Sacramento river, the people burned up. The two people (that had stolen the fire) rushed off, while the fire came burning after them. It burned and reached up to Eagles village at Cī'p!a.

The bay miwok( from 150 miles to the west across the sacramento valley tell this story as how the day wren shot the sun and plunged the world into darkness and how prarie falcon set the world on fire, to have it further detroyed by rain and floods. "All of the first indians died" is a common idea among central cal natives, The Miadu have a specific tale of how after the fire and floods all of the many baskets(baskets types denoted ethnicities) and points( as did the lithics) disappeared for many years, before the people came back.(california archeology confirms that all known CA site were abandoned from roughly 12,900 to 12,300 bp bore being re occupied.
Certain groups of desert ca have an interesting fear of meteors, they say indians die when Dakwish( the meteor spirit) appears.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: sapien82

As has been said, lots of 'flood (Tsunami) tales in ancient texts. Those happen all the time, historically speaking.

Volcanism, earthquakes, landslides, impactors, etc.

Why do we always feel the need to lump all those stories into one single giant event?

Aye. In 5,000 years time will tales of the Boxing Day tsnuami, Japanese tsunamim Haitian earthquake, Pakistan earthquake and Hurricane Katrina, for example, all be thought to be accounts of the same event? Especially given that they all occurred about the same time .....